Life experience and the quest for wisdom

[SpiderHerderParticipant 3822]

It seems like I’ve lived a lot, have been through some issues (not as bad as other men, but this is not a competition lol), sought the truth and went through the suffering inherent to walking this path.

Yet, due to genetics and a generally healthy lifestyle, I look a lot younger than my age. A lot of people seem to think it’s impossible to know what I know at my age.

I remember when I was younger, it would amaze me that an older person could accept death as an inevitability and be serene when talking about it, yet here I am in this state of mind. It is easy though to fall back into the Matrix programming, worrying about trivialities, thinking that the color of the vinyl siding on a house is important and that it will bring happiness. Epicurus lived in his walled garden because he understood that society had a corrupting effect on people. One just needs to be exposed to mass media (or anything from the outside, really) to start worrying about what the neighbours will think and ruin one’s contentment.

Also, a thought that inspires me sometimes (maybe as a long-term goal) is that you can either have wisdom or knowledge. You can’t have both. So, one must forget everything he knows in order to gain complete inner peace. It seems like as soon as one starts to acquire knowledge then the mind becomes disturbed. It becomes a competition for who will know more than the next guy.

I don’t know if I’ll ever have the strength to do it or if I’m forever doomed. I mean, many great philosophers have affirmed that suffering is necessary for life. The answer could be in our way of handling it.

Anyway, feel free to add your insights.

[CarnageParticipant 22113]

Im 35 now, i got no wisdom and i dont know s~~~.

When i was 28-31 i though i was wise, i knew how to do things, i find my selft to be succesesufull, the im the last four years life showed me i took all wrong paths, all wrong decisions, my entire life is not a failure, but my path cantbe called not even close to right.

Soo i decided to try againg, take another aproach, try something new, i will fail of course, but maybe some day, by trying new stuff just by sheer luck i will make the right choice.

I will never be wise, but i can try.

To those following me, be careful, I just farted. Men those beans are killers.

[SpiderHerderParticipant 3822]

Well, you don’t give a fu.ck… so that’s a good start.

[CarnageParticipant 22113]

SpiderHerder wrote:

Well, you don’t give a fu.ck… so that’s a good start.

Why give a f~~~ about what you cant control?

To those following me, be careful, I just farted. Men those beans are killers.

[AwakenedParticipant 35223]

I’m just hoping that I can live long enough to not need to work for anyone anymore, and have an ongoing quiet life living alone where I can enjoy a larger piece of peace.

In a World of Justin Beibers Be a Johnny Cash

[CarnageParticipant 22113]

Awakened wrote:

I’m just hoping that I can live long enough to not need to work for anyone anymore, and have an ongoing quiet life living alone where I can enjoy a larger piece of peace.

We men the older we get the more we look for peace, solitud and silence.

Women instead want to “live” (spend) like they are 15.

Kids.

To those following me, be careful, I just farted. Men those beans are killers.

[Handsome VicParticipant 1613]

SpiderHerder wrote:

Also, a thought that inspires me sometimes (maybe as a long-term goal) is that you can either have wisdom or knowledge. You can’t have both.

Thoughtful post, but don’t understand your thinking on this… why do you think you can’t have both wisdom and knowledge? I think they are complementary. For example, a man who is knowledgeable about women can be wise in his dealings with them. A man who is knowledgeable about electricity can be wise when wiring his house. It would be unwise for a man with no knowledge to attempt it.

Knowledgeable people still act unwisely (“I should have known better”), and some people act wisely despite possessing little knowledge (e.g out of fear or luck). And we’ve all met plenty of people who think they are wise (i.e. have an opinion) — but know little.

Do you try to grow in both areas?

I'm going my own way. Maybe I'll see you there.

[Buller100Participant 2189]

Good thread , I search inner peace I realise at my age women are not worth the bother regards relationship … But like most I was brought up blue pill , so at times I feel something is missing.

But then is the human mind ever fully satisfied , I have been married and divorced and I know which is best .. lol

[Gravel PitParticipant]

SpiderHerder wrote:

Epicurus lived in his walled garden because he understood that society had a corrupting effect on people.

I like that, very powerful writing SpiderHerder.

In my sobriety, and in my MGHOW years… I have gotten to know myself. Prior to age 27, I had reflective thoughts but my existence was plagued by fear, shame, guilt and alcoholism.

I much prefer the sober way of life because it’s afforded me deep clarity. Like the difference between a mud puddle and clearwater where you can see 30 feet down.

The man I have gotten to know (myself) in these quiet productive years… I LIKE HIM!

And yes, that was only possible in my Walled Garden as you put it. I had to have space and time to myself. The journey wasn’t possible without a tolerant and loyal best male friend too who happened to be my boss.

Times are changing for me. My best friend who I have dinner with twice a week and ALWAYS hang out with and joke with daily. My MAIN MAN. He is taking a job out of state. He is moving away. Its sad. But I will persevere because alot was invested into me and I have had the time to become a man. My self-actualization is stronger. Im ready for a new level of Autonomy.

This type of footloose liberty is NOT available when you’re tied down to a woman, its just not. If most married guys, and guys in relationships really knew how free we are over here, they would stop picking cotton and runaway. MGTOW is an underground railroad. LOL

[Gravel PitParticipant]

Gravel Pit wrote:

This type of footloose liberty is NOT available when you’re tied down to a woman, its just not. If most married guys, and guys in relationships really knew how free we are over here, they would stop picking cotton and runaway. MGTOW is an underground railroad. LOL

[EndParticipant 262]

SpiderHerder wrote:

So, one must forget everything he knows in order to gain complete inner peace. It seems like as soon as one starts to acquire knowledge then the mind becomes disturbed

You may want to try detaching from desire. Meditation is very helpful for this. Fostering an attitude/perspective of detachment allows the mind to be unconcerned with any outcome. It’s in that moment that you find inner peace. When you are calmly detached you don’t see what is good for you or what is not good for you,,,,you see what is. When you truly let go is when you find inner peace. In fact inner peace was always there but we keep pushing it away with our desire to make a particular outcome. Sometimes the best thing to do in life is to let go.

If I remember correctly Richard Gere narrated the story of ‘the Buddha’ for PBS many years ago. It’s a good watch,,,,,I’m sure it’s on Youtube somewhere. It’s the first thing I thought of when I read your post.

[SpiderHerderParticipant 3822]

Great replies.

End: I actually know this. This has been the duality in my mind for decades: either let everything go and become an actual monk, or keep hobbies and enjoy a life with some possessions even though it does bring some suffering. It’s hard not to like and get attached to some things when they bring exciting experiences. Also, when working with our hands on an inanimate object can bring a sense of calm.

I know it sounds like I’m trying to justify my inability to let go of everything… but it has been an almost lifelong struggle.

Maybe Yin and Yang could apply here.

[Anonymous 1]

Knowledge is memory of facts/data. Wisdom is an understanding of how to apply knowledge in a useful way, that usually comes with experience. Knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit; wisdom is understanding that you don’t put it in a fruit salad. Someone who is on their 2nd/3rd/4th marriage may have knowledge, but their wisdom is lacking.

Within the sphere of life’s situations, there are things about which you have concern, and things about which you have NO concern. Don’t waste time, energy and money on the latter.

Within the sphere of concern, there are things over which you have influence, and things over which you have NO influence. Don’t waste time, energy and money on the latter.

Within the sphere of influence, there are things over which you have control, and things over which you may have influence, but not control. If other people are involved in the situation, it is likely you don’t have control.

Marriage is a situation that provides an abundance of concern but absolute minimum of control. The wife, the courts, and society ensure that.

Minimizing sphere of concern, and maximizing sphere of control yields peace.

[The Batman 2020Participant 2112]

Your 20's are for learning, your 30's are for earning.

[iMickey503Participant 12468]

All this wisdom, and ALL I want to learn is how to do body work and Paint a car so it looks like it came from the factory.

Whatever floats right? 🙂

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[Anonymous 1]

Great scene from Indiana Jones – Last Crusade.
Greedy chick (who has done both Indiana and his dad) refuses to follow directions, and finds her end.
Indiana comes damn close to the same, but his wise dad convinces him to LET IT GO.

1 min 48 sec of wisdom.

[AwakenedParticipant 35223]

iMickey503 wrote:

All this wisdom, and ALL I want to learn is how to do body work and Paint a car so it looks like it came from the factory.

That’s A LOT.

There are MANY skilled body/paint MEN that have done it DAILY for decades and don’t transcend to that level. There’s a BIG difference between Very GOOD and EXCELLENT when it comes to that craft.

In a World of Justin Beibers Be a Johnny Cash

[TwistParticipant]

Gravel Pit wrote:

MGTOW is an underground railroad. LOL

I had to live through a train wreck to board the MGTOW express.

[Daryll55Participant 2969]

Anonymous wrote:

Knowledge is memory of facts/data. Wisdom is an understanding of how to apply knowledge in a useful way, that usually comes with experience. Knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit; wisdom is understanding that you don’t put it in a fruit salad. Someone who is on their 2nd/3rd/4th marriage may have knowledge, but their wisdom is lacking.
Within the sphere of life’s situations, there are things about which you have concern, and things about which you have NO concern. Don’t waste time, energy and money on the latter.
Within the sphere of concern, there are things over which you have influence, and things over which you have NO influence. Don’t waste time, energy and money on the latter.
Within the sphere of influence, there are things over which you have control, and things over which you may have influence, but not control. If other people are involved in the situation, it is likely you don’t have control.
Marriage is a situation that provides an abundance of concern but absolute minimum of control. The wife, the courts, and society ensure that.
Minimizing sphere of concern, and maximizing sphere of control yields peace.

Very well said.

A young man can aquire knowledge and become “smart”
SMART is just a way to say someone absorbs and understands things/content easily.

WISDOM is knowledge properly applied.
Usually comes with age and a trial & error process.

Therefore; SMART ppl are not necessarily wise, but WISE ppl usually have their smarts about them.

Whether you believe in the BIBLE or not; it is WISE to read the book of PROVERBS. That is a collection of wise writings by SOLOMON who was considered verry wise,(and rich) in Biblical times. The writing of Proverbs is from Solomon to his sons.

Marry again, Hell NO ! ( Even JESUS was hung on a cross just once)

[SpiderHerderParticipant 3822]

Very interesting replies.

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