Is marriage and kids worth it?

[DaimosParticipant 23]

Ever since I was young I’ve felt obligated to find a wife and to have kids carry on my family name. However I’ve never been good with women the last who even had visible interest in me was when I was in middle I admit to screwing that up due to my own shallowness. However as I’ve grown older I’ve come to realize I live in a shallow world or society. I’ve sometimes thought about how bad things have gotten and have wondered what if I have kids and I regret it? What if I have kids and something horrible happens to them? I mean the world is becoming increasingly dangerous is it really worth bringing children into the world?

Hell my own uncle was once married and had his kid taken from him due to false allegations so I think not having kids is a way safer option than having kids and then losing them to a evil hell beast with plans of poisoning them against you. I don’t even know if I’m fertile if that is the right terminology. Long story short I’ve done some stupid s~~~ in my time and worry I might be shooting blanks.

However I’ve read how a lot of older MGTOW have been married and have had kids but ended up regretting those choices(I am guessing they regretted the marriage part). So I’m just wondering is marriage and kids worth any potential suffering in the future? Because a small part of me is starting to feel I’d be better off without marriage or kids.

[Jan SobieskiParticipant 28791]

It is all about risk and reward.

Love is just alimony waiting to happen. Visit mgtow.com.

[BritGHOWParticipant 2566]

50% of marriages end in divorce, 80% of those divorces will be initiated by the wife, in the event you are hit with a divorce you stand to lose a substantial chunk of:
Your past in the form of your hard earned savings and assets.
Your present in the form of your salary.
Your future in the form of your continuing earnings and potentially retirement savings, your car, your home, your career, your children, your liberty and potentially your life.

Worth it? Only you can make that decision, me personally? I wouldn’t play Russian Roulette with one bullet in 100 revolvers, never mind three bullets in one

[VettenParticipant 110]

Of the 50% of marriages that don’t end in divorce, how many ‘wish’ they could escape? Lets just say its 50/50 of the 50% that survive.They continue to live a miserable life that they feel they can’t escape.

So maybe 25% of the people that stay married are happy, I don’t know, just guessing here.

When you look at that way, those odds it’s not good, horrible.

My opinion, the answer is no, not worth it.

[Blue SkiesParticipant 15665]

i’ve never been married, and don’t have kids. I plan on staying this way. So much more time, money, and freedom…. compare the pros and cons of having kids…..for me there’s much more pros.

MGTOW is not a movement, it is a way of life.

[Soldier-MedicParticipant 2566]

It is published that the average cost of raising a child to adulthood is not currently $250k.

Those numbers exclude such things as day care and lost wages from the spouse not working or just working part time.

The reality is that in a married couple, the cost of raising a child to adulthood can cost as much as $1.1 million. That is $1,100,000.00 dollars.

I can personally tell you that daycare cost me $30,000 for two children for two years.

Now factor in the divorce and everything else. Including the possibility that you have a wife that practices retail therapy during times of stress.

"I asked you a question. I didn't ask you to repeat what the voices in you head are telling you" ~ Me. ........Yes I'm still angry.

[Blue SkiesParticipant 15665]

Vetten wrote:

Of the 50% of marriages that don’t end in divorce, how many ‘wish’ they could escape? Lets just say its 50/50 of the 50% that survive.They continue to live a miserable life that they feel they can’t escape.

So maybe 25% of the people that stay married are happy, I don’t know, just guessing here.

When you look at that way, those odds it’s not good, horrible.

My opinion, the answer is no, not worth it.

i agree with you completely. there’s no stats about people who are unhappily married…….if there was these stats, people would realize that the odds of happy, lasting marriages are about 30%

MGTOW is not a movement, it is a way of life.

[Jan SobieskiParticipant 28791]

The money is one thing. The emotional pain and suffering…

You could always adopt a kid. Or get a pet.

Love is just alimony waiting to happen. Visit mgtow.com.

[QuietlyquietlyParticipant 728]

Well I can say first hand that your kids will be amazing. I don’t think there is anything in the world that compares to looking after and raising a son or a daughter – it’s the hardest thing you will ever do, and the most rewarding. It will challenge you to be a better person than you can ever even imagine was possible, and it will show you your weaknesses clearer than if a feminist were to rip you apart. I have no regrets HAVING children. I love them more than I can possibly say. To guide a young person into this crazy world is an awe-inspiring responsibility, and one that I take very seriously.

What I do regret is who I had them with. She turned out to be the bitch from hell, and make allegations of me being a pedophile with my own children, being physically abusive, mentally retarded, and she told everyone who would listen. I lost all my (so-called) friends, she tried turning my family against me, she nearly got me a criminal record by smashing her own leg with a hammer, taking photos of it, and crying to the police that it was me. I lost my house, my children, all my personal belongings, almost everyone I knew at that point, almost my sanity, all my savings and a lot more besides.

Is the trade off worth it? There have been a good 7 years since it ended where I have thought it wasn’t. People say that my children will eventually want to contact me again, and that I just have to wait for that to happen naturally.

The positives are that, after I signed myself out of their lives, I was free to roam the world, and I have done. I have put aside money, I have enjoyed living in different countries, worked at jobs that I wanted to do, and been the bachelor that I actually wanted to be. Not all men are so lucky. My trade off was that if I was never going to see my kids again while they were children (which is what she was fighting for the Courts to award) then I didn’t have to pay her child support. I put that money aside for them for a rainy day, and I know that it won’t be spent on lime-green high heels, and manicures.

I can’t make the call for you, only you can do that, but you should know by now that AWALT. It’s pretty clear that her having children was never about who she had them with, she’ll turn on him given the right set of emotions, and then you’re f~~~ed. The Courts will award whatever she asks for. You don’t stand a chance. Not even a small one.

The best thing you can do if you REALLY want children, is a) pre-nup [but bear in mind that these are proving to be worthless], and b) make sure she works a real job. Studies show that married women who work and have kids tend not to nag as much, tend not to stress on the small things, earn their keep, pay for their own s~~~, and generally live to a higher standard of ethics than women that don’t work.

Outside of that, you will have to accept that the cards are stacked heavily in favour of the house (the Courts) and then secondly heavily in favour of her. You come bottom of the list. Just accept it. Then get clever. Earn your income through a separate company that pays you minimum wage and lends you the rest. When (it’s not IF anymore) you divorce, you only earn minimum wage, so she doesn’t get much, and did she forget that you’ve been lent a small fortune so she needs to help pay that back. Buy all your property through a family trust of which YOU are the appointor, buy all your investments the same way. That way she can’t get hold of them unless YOU decide she can.

Read the s~~~ out of all the clever investment strategies you can get hold of and put them in place. BEFORE you ever get together, and definitely before you have kids. This is the only way.

[TiredofbsParticipant 485]

Quietlyquietly, that’s is one of the best and prolific summaries I’ve ever read in my life. I couldn’t agree more about raising children and loving them, in spite of having been married to a lying, selfish, narcissistic, feminist bitch. And I do feel the remorse at being the stupid, dumb ass 24 year old who fell for her lies. Well, that is the past. I still love my kids and thankfully, they are all adults now and have minds of their own. You caught my interest with the statement about finding a company who will pay you minimum wage and loan you the rest. Are there legitimate companies who will do that? Or was that just a suggestion? Most of us dudes, especially guys like me over 50, are paying half of our damn income to some piece of s~~~ bitch who made our lives miserable and are laughing all the way to the bank.

[OldBillParticipant]

As Jan wisely wrote it’s a risk versus reward equation. That equation is going to be different for every man however.

The “50% in 7 years” divorce statistic coupled with the “Women initiate 70-80% of divorces” are enough to keep me from every contemplating marriage. Other men may view the risks differently. You may view the risks differently.

Do not date. Do not impregnate. Do not co-habitate. Above all, do not marry. Reclaim and never again surrender your personal sovereignty.

[BeeParticipant 700]

You can’t find a company like that. You have to own it. Owning gives you control of the books.

[TheroniusParticipant 975]

I don’t have kids, and it’s pretty much past that time for me. I have (in the past) felt that I was missing something, but you don’t really miss the kids you didn’t have, just the concept. As to leaving a genetic legacy, all my rats-asses were long ago used up.
Of my friends with kids, some of them ended up being stay-at-home dads and never building professional lives. That made life hell after the (almost) inevitable divorce later. The job market does not easily forgive stay-at-home dads, and neither do the wives after the kids are grown. At least they didn’t have any wages to have to give to the “better half”.
If you lose custody and don’t get to be a part of the kids’ lives that must suck the most. You pay everything you have while the kids are raised by whomever and live with random dudes. You wouldn’t know if your kids were amazing people, out to make a better world, or demonically possessed, developmentally-challenged “children of the lesser corn”.
Oh, and other guys’ kids? No f~~~ing way unless daddy won a medal of honor falling on the grenade or something. I was never willing to cultivate some other dudes seeds. F~~~ that. I know it isn’t the kids’ fault, but f~~~ it just the same.

"I am is reportedly the shortest sentence in the English language. Could it be that I do is the longest sentence?" - George Carlin

[TiredofbsParticipant 485]

“You can’t find a company like that. You have to own it. Owning gives you control of the books”

Good point Bee, and makes sense. Guess one would need a good accountant as well.

[Mr. SpockParticipant 10910]

I have never had kids so I cannot answer that part of the question. I can say that marriage is NOT worth it. Think about it. What advantage does getting married provide a man? NOTHING! It’s all risk with no gain and the potential for a staggering loss. Even without kids, my ex wife got everything from me but my pension. She got the car, the house the savings, the 401K supplemental retirement, all the investments. This was considered an even split by the court. Worse, my story on this forum had one of the better outcomes than a lot of other ones here!

Feminism isn't about equality with men, it's about leverage over men.

[Blue SkiesParticipant 15665]

Mr. Spock wrote:

I have never had kids so I cannot answer that part of the question. I can say that marriage is NOT worth it. Think about it. What advantage does getting married provide a man? NOTHING! It’s all risk with no gain and the potential for a staggering loss. Even without kids, my ex wife got everything from me but my pension. She got the car, the house the savings, the 401K supplemental retirement, all the investments. This was considered an even split by the court. Worse, my story on this forum had one of the better outcomes than a lot of other ones here!

isn’t the court supposed to split assets 50/50 in a divorce?

MGTOW is not a movement, it is a way of life.

[Anonymous 42]

At no point in time did I ever want children after seeing the state of the families all around me throughout my life. My life in this gynocentric society has no reason to sire any children, it’s a sure fire method of being enslaved under all the power of the state.
The state now owns the family, and the family consists of one woman, children, and the state, the man is separate from this equation, and is harnessed separately for extraction.
Let the state produce and raise children, F~~~ THAT, I’m nobodies gynocentric slave!
The new definition for freedom is MGTOW, because the new definition for slavery is MAN!
MGTOW; punch your own ticket to FREEDOM, or have a woman punch your ticket to SLAVERY!!!
RED PILL FREEDOM BLUE PILL SLAVERY

Call me RED-ɹǝʍoʇ

[The Moth Attracted to the FlameParticipant 2982]

That’s the whole issue.

“Obligation.” That word makes me sick. I’m “obligated” to have a wife. I’m “obligated” to go to college. I’m “obligated” to hold the door open for women.”, and etc. I’m not obligated to do s~~~.

[bigboy83Participant 11312]

I think most men don’t mind having kids, but they don’t want to deal with the c~~~ that comes with it.

Shit Tested, Cunt Approved.

[Wolf redpillmanSpectator 1658]

Marriages is for chump loser who are scared of being alone,they need a woman 24/7 with them not to mention all that risk you gonna be taking by getting married ,it is a raw deal for men to risky

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