I need to vent a moment gents…

[VarunParticipant 2981]

Anonymous wrote:

I have 2 brothers that barely bother to go round at all. When I asked why she doesn’t have the same expectations on them, she replied “because you’re the caring one”

Hey! Same pinch, brother.

I also have 2 brothers and they hardly help around the house.. My mother’s getting old, so she laments about how household chores are such a great burden… I always come to her rescue.

Some days when I’m busy or just feeling lazy and I do not help her with the chores, she throws a tantrum…

Lots of emotional torture:

“You’ll be very sorry once I’m gone”

“Don’t you feel bad you expect your old mother to do everything for you?”

You name it.

When I ask her “why don’t you say the same things to my brothers? Why do they get a pass?”

She says “because you are the caring one. I do not love those two. From today, I won’t do any of their stuff” (false, she ALWAYS do their stuff for them).

A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.

[Anonymous 1]

@varun – I’ve noticed some similarities with myself in things you’ve said before regarding family.

She is the master of shaming language, but I’ve grown to largely ignore it. I have found it hard to completely shut off to her as I have with women in general, because, well, it’s my mother. It’s something I’m working on.

Brother, I haven’t got it half as bad as you, though. Still living with her. You need to get out at the first opportunity.

That reminds me, a few weeks ago she offered to let me move back home rent free so I could “save on costs” – I just looked at her and laughed. Now I KNOW she’s nuts.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Anonymous wrote:

FROM THE ARTICLE: Over a quarter of the women questioned said their one regret about their wedding day was their choice of groom.

Fascinating.

There’s your typical female narcissism wrapped up in a nice package wouldn’t you say?

“Her choice of groom”?????

She didn’t kneel with a ring and propose or make him an offer he couldn’t refuse. So she didn’t “choose” jack s~~~. She used a slippery trick to get ANY man to kneel down with a ring. So women should really stop lying to themselves.

“Her choice of groom”?….

She is lucky ONE man was stupid enough.
Never mind choosing which one.

Women are in no position to “choose” a groom. They are delusional beyond belief. That’s why they had to resort to slippery & backhanded manipulation tactics else they will be married to their cats. Hows that for a “choice” of groom.

Now let’s ask all the grooms what THEY regret.
Those fraud brides would crawl back under their rocks.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[VarunParticipant 2981]

Anonymous wrote:

That reminds me, a few weeks ago she offered to let me move back home rent free so I could “save on costs” – I just looked at her and laughed. Now I KNOW she’s nuts.

She didn’t say something like “I could use a helping hand around the house.”??

My mother says that right in my face. Before when I was in school, she’d always tell everyone how its GREAT when I won’t have to go to school after graduation. “I’ll finally have a helping hand”. I’m just a utility to her.

I wish I could have moved out. I got passed on a job offer which came with free lodge and meals because they found someone else…. someone ‘less’ qualified and asking for less salary (it was a blue collar job). Funny.

A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.

[Jeremiah JohnsonParticipant 2219]

Thank you very much brothers…I sure appreciate it…Now at least I can validate my reasoning for setting the bar today…I have always failed the s~~~ test I guess, I always give in to her demands and f~~~ing requests…I have set boundaries up with her so many times now it is not even funny, and she purposely crosses them on a continual basis, and I am learning it is just to see my f~~~ing reaction…I am starting to get f~~~ing wise to all this s~~~…She is so f~~~ing bored, that this is a dramatic entertainment for her and her sick female mind…The thing is though, being my mother, and the fact I would be f~~~ing homeless without her help, is that I feel like I owe her everything, and everytime she f~~~ing rings I feel I have to answer and HAVE TO SAY YES…It is just in the last two months I have started not answering the phone, and ONLY calling back WHEN I HAVE TIME…It feels good, because I have told her time and again what my boundaries are, and she doesn’t f~~~ing care…I am seeing that absolutely now with you brothers help…jesus, it is as f~~~ing bad as I was thinking in the back of my head, but I kept saying, nah, its my mother, she wouldn’t do this…f~~~ing killing me, and the time for it to stop is f~~~ing now…at least I can walk away from this keboard right now, and go back to the s~~~ I need done, and not feel guilty or angry anymore…she is not worth it, I am simply a tool in her f~~~ing tool chest, and it is all I have ever been…ugh…Anyway, thank you sirs, I appreciate each and every one….thank you

Men are at a time when panning for gold in a urinal has a higher probability of success than finding a faithful and loving woman, it is time to go your own way.....

[PistolPeteParticipant 27143]

Inducing anger and self doubt are classic woman tricks to manipulate you. They are so in to it they will do things that actually work against their own self interests if it serves the purpose of manipulation/domination. Sad very sad.

[Anonymous 3]

I’ve noticed a high percentage of MGTOW/TRP/PUA types have these types of mothers. It’s the same for me.

And no, it’s actually not normal. At least, there is a high percentage of women like this, but it’s actually not accepted and normal especially among the higher classes.

I know this because of my older female co-workers, my sister’s friends, and any of my previous hookups. Even my aunts would sometimes get annoyed at my mother, even though she spent most of her time painting herself in a great light and puts on a different face in public.

I think the reason higher class women don’t do this is because they are smarter and want to keep the gravy train going. Women that treat their sons in this way can put them off marriage, it’s like a lesson in AWALT behavior given to a man long before marriage, and a constant reminder. Most women are bright enough to only attack their husbands and then their son-in-laws after it’s too late, but they try to trick their sons into marriage.

It’s probably for the best. We don’t need more generations of naggy, selfish, conceited, narcissist women breeding. While I do believe in AWALT, I think right now everything is in overdrive and way beyond any reasonable measure.

I actually do not talk to my mother and haven’t for a long time. I think she’s accepted that she’s alienated all her children and has attitude problems. My siblings hate talking to her too. She still talks to a ton of her friends though, she’s on the phone all day long, pretty much still a teenager’s mind in an old woman’s body, as women never mature past that.

[Enjoy The DeclineParticipant 1719]

Jeremiah Johnson, I am sure that at least a portion of the people here have some sort of problems with their mothers, me included, but I usually do not like to talk about it so much because in talking about my mother online, I would lose some of that family honor that I wish I had many years ago. So right now I am just trying to cling on whatever family honor I have right now, because I am sure that many people have family problems as well, but lots of people do not wish to embarrass the family as a whole by exposing themselves of the family problems they have to other people who are very nosy to begin with. There are also people out there who actually think that the reason why you have family problems to begin with is because of some bad karma you might of had with the world, so they think that it is all your fault anyways. There are even people who might of had family problems too, but would actually make your situation worse, because now they feel so good about themselves that they are not the ones with those problems anymore, so they feel good about themselves by making your situation worse which basically makes them bullies. I am not saying that your family is one though, but there is a whole wikipedia page about dysfunctional families, and here is the link if you are interested. I hope my insight is of a help.

"Question everything" - Albert Einstein

[FrostByteParticipant 19005]

Dealing with mothers is like walking a knife edge. For me it was easy. My mother was grossly abusive, the state took me away from her. I tried when I was 21 to connect with her. It was futile and I have never seen her since. I would never assume I could advise you. Stay whatever course you think is best.
I do want to (respectfully) offer you this quote from
Joseph Joubert, 1778
“Never cut what you can untie”

If you rescue a damsel in distress, all you will get is a distressed damsel.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Jeremiah Johnson wrote:

have set boundaries up with her so many times now it is not even funny, and she purposely crosses them on a continual basis. I am learning it is just to see my f~~~ing reaction.

I’m nodding loudly.

Jeremiah Johnson wrote:

I am starting to get f~~~ing wise to all this s~~~

It takes a while… and even after 1/2 a lifetime and YEARS of world travel, she STILL won’t learn. If we didn’t speak for 2 weeks or longer she would make a huge deal out of the fact that I didn’t “report in” to verify that I am not dead.

And then I got smart.

Not appeasing her anymore. I will not call her anymore to explain that I am “not dead” just so that she “feels better”. I will call her when I want to and no other reason. Even if it’s 6 weeks from tomorrow. She can call me too, but I will not call someone up to “report in” and I don’t give a F~~~ how crazy it drives her. She does that to herself.

Not long ago, we had this conversation…..

“OH THANK GOD!!! I WAS SO WORRIED!!!! I HAVEN”T SPOKEN TO YOU IN 2 WEEKS!”

“About what? Why do you assume something MUST be wrong? It’s actually LESS LIKELY that something is wrong. How about you just say HI!! IT’S NICE TO HEAR FROM YOU?? Instead of “THANK GOD YOU’RE NOT DEAD!!” I do not exist to appease whatever heinous s~~~ you can imagine in your head. It’s annoying as s~~~ and it makes me not want to call you.”

I actually have to remind my mother that I am not her husband who has to do whatever she wants. If I was interested in “reporting in” I would get a wife , and wear a husband cam on my forehead so she can know where I am every minute of every day.

I am sick and tired of women all behaving like they are the police. Like they are *the grand authority* who need to be reported to. It’s not just mothers either. They are so high on themselves it’s ridiculous.

I once left my OWN PLACE to go wash the car for a couple hours and the bitch I was living with gave me grief because I left MY OWN PLACE without telling her first. F~~~ you. The dog was happy to see me…. but a woman can’t be? She thinks it’s acceptable to give you s~~~ for that when you come home to YOUR OWN PLACE. Imagine the arrogance.

GET THE F~~~ OUT…. but leave the dog, because the dog is actually nicer to me.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[Jan SobieskiParticipant 28791]

Brother, Happy Birthday.

I am glad you are here.

Love is just alimony waiting to happen. Visit mgtow.com.

[ironheartParticipant 953]

PistolPete wrote:

Inducing anger and self doubt are classic woman tricks to manipulate you. They are so in to it they will do things that actually work against their own self interests if it serves the purpose of manipulation/domination. Sad very sad.

OP, this man has your answer right here.

Women, yes all women, are brainwashed to project their anger and self-destructive anxiety onto others. This includes friends, work mates, and especially immediate family.

You can deprogram some women close to you, so that they are constantly aware that you have ZERO tolerance for that kind of BS. Explain the consequences and do not go back on initiating them when they are appropriate to dish out. They will respect you for it more than hate you. If they hate you though…. no great loss.

The women you cannot influence are not worth trying to educate or explain things too.

"Women have become so full of hatred that they are blind to reason and humanity. That which they practice will be the end of humanity, long before any war that men may fight.." "Women are predators by nature. Why else do you think they are so quick to gang up and go after a man they hate for showing any sign of weakness?"

[StentorianParticipant 1690]

ironheart wrote:

The women you cannot influence are not worth trying to educate or explain things too.

Nicely said.

Reading many of the posts in this thread, reminds me of my own relationship with my mother. In fact, right now, she and I are in a silent spell. She is “angry” with me, and we are not speaking.

My mother is a narcissist, with histrionic mixtures. She is an unbearable person.

I just try to ride the wave. Remind myself that she is really damaged, in very permanent ways. No fix for that. I just let some time go by, and let her calm down. Sometimes she calls me, other times I call her.

I try not to have a p~~~ing contest with my mother about who calls who first. But if she is totally out of line, and I did not contribute to the argument, then I don’t pick up the phone. That can take weeks or couple of months for her to come around. Other times, I feel some guilt, because I also react and say something unpleasant, to which I then feel responsible for.

Gentlemen. I empathize quite strongly in this area. Sucks to have f~~~ing narcissists as mothers, and within the core family structure. My family is filled with them.

Boundaries, as Back in Black noted. That is about all that works with narcissists. And some form of modified contact, which is exactly what Back in Black was relaying. Limiting exposure to these very toxic people. Nothing else clinically works, because without strong boundaries, and limited/modified/no contact. The narcissist will proceed to ruin your f~~~ing life. Quite literally.

Good luck guys. And remember, it’s not us. It’s them. So don’t get down about it. Do as Keymaster advised

Keymaster wrote:

But don’t you ever cave.

“He who takes an eel by the tail, or a woman at her word, soon finds he holds nothing.”

[Jeremiah JohnsonParticipant 2219]

Keymaster wrote:

I do not exist to appease whatever heinous s~~~ you can imagine in your head. It’s annoying as s~~~ and it makes me not want to call you.”

I would love to tell her that Key, good for you sir…I am getting there, quickly…Thing is, these ladies would take it all the way until we had a stroke…I see that now…Shameful…

Jan Sobieski wrote:

Brother, Happy Birthday.

I am glad you are here.

Thanks Jan, always good to hear from you brother, hope you have been doing well good sir…

Men are at a time when panning for gold in a urinal has a higher probability of success than finding a faithful and loving woman, it is time to go your own way.....

[Jan SobieskiParticipant 28791]

Brother Jereimah,

When someone says

Thanks Jan, always good to hear from you brother, hope you have been doing well good sir

I know I’m making a difference. Thank you.

Love is just alimony waiting to happen. Visit mgtow.com.

[HitmanParticipant]

happy birthday !!!
and as long as we are on mothers…
a very funny video..no eye bleach needed !!!

[VarunParticipant 2981]

The good thing about mothers is that they won’t be permanent problems like exes or children… forgive me for saying that, but its a pretty rational thought.

I always fear the tantrum and the full wrath of emotional a-b-u-s-e I’d face from my mother if she finds out I’m not getting married, but thinking like “would she even be there till I come of age?” provides me some relief.

A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.

[Jeremiah JohnsonParticipant 2219]

Varun wrote:

good thing about mothers is that they won’t be permanent problems like exes or children

I know what your saying brother, unfortunately her mother lived until she was in her 90’s, even in horrible health, and she is likely to be the same, and likely, will f~~~ing outlive me…Why you silently wonder??? I will tell you good brother, because these two f~~~ing women have done not a god damned minute or IOTA of work their entire f~~~ing lives….They have done nothing but NAG men LITERALLY to DEATH…NO work, no stresses of commuting for 50 f~~~ing years, 50 years of s~~~ty co-workers, 50 years of douche bag bosses living in your ARSE for 10 to 12 hours a day…50 years of dumb f~~~ customers complaining about absolutely nothing…We get strokes, heart attacks, embolisms, heart disease, and every other stress related health failure…This is WHY they outlive us…Not to mention the intentional NAGGING AND DRAMATIC KIDDY GAME BULLS~~~!!!

nah…I do not honestly believe in my heart, that I will ever truly know, in this life, what total peacefulness feels like….not as long as she is there to f~~~ing drain my soul….drain the little bit of life I have left in my broken body…She wants every last drop of my life, and won’t f~~~ing quit until she gets it…but of course sir, that is only my two cents….

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