I know everyone is sick & tired of this BUT

[PistolPeteParticipant 27143]

I’ve given the Vegas shooting thing a lot of thought and I’ve read just about everyone’s post on it and it is time for a conclusion: My theory (yes I could be wrong but my theory explains most of the facts)

Steve Paddock isn’t the shooter. What we have is a gun deal gone wrong. Consider this scenario: Paddock had connections with anti-trump people some of whom could be antifa. Antifa has announced that next month they are launching their nationwide “revolution”. They would need firearms and ammo that could not be traced to them–thus a private sale. Now as I mentioned last night Paddock had multiples of the same type of firearm some with sights that would have been useless under the circumstances. He can only handle one at a time anyway so why 23? And all rifles, no shotguns, and only one handgun (revolver) He also had a lot of ammo that WAS not loaded into clips and the clips that were loaded were not taped. Paddock didn’t have the training or experience or motive to carry out the attack.

Add to this the fact the he was having lunch with unknown person up in the suit a couple of days before…buyer? And 45 minutes before the shooting there is a couple of folks down in the crowd announcing that everyone was going to die. Coincidence? And then there is the camera in the room. WHY hasn’t that video been released? One reason could be that it shows others doing the shooting and Paddock’s dead body just lying there. If the buyers didn’t know about the camera they wouldn’t have destroyed it. And if they believe their identity is unknown they could have been guests in the hotel and after the shooting just go back to their rooms and no one is the wiser. And of course the target would have also been a good one for those of an antifa bent.

So my conclusion at this point with no other facts available is he was working a gun/ammo deal with antifa; they killed him had their fun pinned the caper on his dead body. The police have the video and are keeping mum because they are looking for those guys. Anyway that is my theory.

[PistolPeteParticipant 27143]

BTW my theory also accounts for why he sent his GF away—they buyers would have wanted to remain as anonymous as possible. and if he took a down payment it would explain where the 100K came from with the instruction to buy a house in the Philippines,

[nonameParticipant 746]

PistolPete wrote:

He can only handle one at a time anyway so why 23? And all rifles, no shotguns, and only one handgun (revolver) He also had a lot of ammo that WAS not loaded into clips and the clips that were loaded were not taped. Paddock didn’t have the training or experience or motive to carry out the attack.

Valid point, great observation and conclusion.

Another theory which I am leaning to

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[DwightDavidParticipant 859]

It makes a lot of sense. It would explain why authorities are remaining silent on motive. But instead of remaining silent because of a manhunt, I would think they don’t want people panicked, or angry, about some kind of Antifa uprising. If anyone thought Antifa was getting weapons, how many people would start mobilizing violently against them. There are plenty of patriots left just itching for a fight. Maybe they’re trying to stave off widespread civil unrest.I hope that makes sense. I don’t explain myself well sometimes.

[Pedal, run, rowParticipant]

So where did they go? How did they get out of the room?
Shooter or shooters see from camera in hall that security guard is approaching. Put over 200 rounds down the hallway, one of which hits guard in the leg. Guard remains in area, probably tucked in a nook or doorway area and SWAT arrives 2 minutes later. No one seen leaving room

I can tell you that stairwells and any exit point on that floor would be secured prior to them making entry into the hallway. No one seen using stairwells to get away.

So where did the shooters go? Repel down unseen, and leave ropes behind? Parachute out window unseen by anyone down below? My understanding is that you can’t do that at less than 500 ft if you want to survive.
Climb out window and use pre-installed ropes to climb to roof, again without anyone noticing? And where from there? a Police helicopter circled above. An unseen zip line.

Will we ever have a real mass casualty shooting event? The narrative seems to be (not necessarily a point you have made, but is repeatedly made in circles that peddle these theories) that these all seem to be fake (casualty actors) or false flag. No chance that a real nutjob ever pops and shoots a bunch of people?
Isn’t the point of all of these false flag ops to take away our gun rights? How come it never works, and yet they keep doing them?
Hope spring eternal? Shouldn’t one of the illuminati speak up in the planning of the ops and say: “Ummm ,guys, we keep doing these and we never get to take away gun rights…”

Personally I think the evidence points to the fact that he did it. I think we will find out more about what help he got, and more about his planning and motivations as the investigation moves forward and they are able to release more information.

I won’t rule out a gun deal, but I need some kind of plausible theory how they got out of the room.

[PistolPeteParticipant 27143]

ANTIFA Leftist Group Is Selling Concealed Knives On Their Website For Slicing Conservatives

[PistolPeteParticipant 27143]

Pedal, run, row wrote:

So where did they go? How did they get out of the room?
Shooter or shooters see from camera in hall that security guard is approaching. Put over 200 rounds down the hallway, one of which hits guard in the leg. Guard remains in area, probably tucked in a nook or doorway area and SWAT arrives 2 minutes later. No one seen leaving room

that is the story anyway. let us recall it took the cops 70+ minutes to respond and the shooting had stopped long before that. like I said I could be wrong and the point of the post is to promote poking holes in my theory so good job man!

[Pedal, run, rowParticipant]

But I wouldn’t let my skepticism of your theory keep me from supporting the rounding up and disposing of violent antifa members.

[HermitParticipant 1121]

It’s a theory, but I think at the end of the day we’re going to find he was a man with the means, the time, and the desire to commit mass murder. I know it’s almost instinctive not to want to believe that this much mayhem and murder could be committed by one man. But sadly, I think that’s exactly what we have here.

I should add, however, that if he is linked to antifa, it’s going to be open season on their membership.

I don't hate women. I just feel better when they're not around.

[surfdude12Participant 4103]

So would a scenario be something like:

Dealers either decide to swindle Paddock or there is price dispute that leads to them shooting Paddock in mouth then proceeding to shoot concert victims?

Was the arms deal part of plan to kill concert people? Or was plan to kill concert people spontaneous after dealers killed Paddock? I’m with you just trying visualize

[Pedal, run, rowParticipant]

PistolPete wrote:

Pedal, run, row wrote:

So where did they go? How did they get out of the room?
Shooter or shooters see from camera in hall that security guard is approaching. Put over 200 rounds down the hallway, one of which hits guard in the leg. Guard remains in area, probably tucked in a nook or doorway area and SWAT arrives 2 minutes later. No one seen leaving room

that is the story anyway. let us recall it took the cops 70+ minutes to respond and the shooting had stopped long before that. like I said I could be wrong and the point of the post is to promote poking holes in my theory so good job man!

I don’t believe this, but I will poke a hole in my own theory as well.

Security guard is member of ops team involved with gun buy. They purposely spray the hall with bullets and shoot him in leg with non life threatening wound so he can tell them that the shooter was still firing when he arrived and no one has come out of room.
Meanwhile they left room, and headed upward as police moved upward below them blocking their going down…

It is here that we run into a dead end. Where do they go from there?

[PistolPeteParticipant 27143]

My theory could be exploded simply by a release of the room video. The other plausible possibility is that this is another “fast & furious” type of black op. the guy was employed by government defense contractors his whole adult life. which means he had to have a very high security clearance. (those things are pretty thorough, I know I had one when I was with the DoD) and buying a house with cash would have been a red flag. And then there is no suicide note? no statement as to why he did it? People do things for reasons and they want people to know the reasons–that is simple human nature.

[PistolPeteParticipant 27143]

surfdude12 wrote:

So would a scenario be something like:
Dealers either decide to swindle Paddock or there is price dispute that leads to them shooting Paddock in mouth then proceeding to shoot concert victims?
Was the arms deal part of plan to kill concert people? Or was plan to kill concert people spontaneous after dealers killed Paddock? I’m with you just trying visualize

Good point but the guns could have been traced back to him–so you silence the one witness.

[PistolPeteParticipant 27143]

Pedal, run, row wrote:

It is here that we run into a dead end. Where do they go from there?

They sit in their room and watch TV until the event dies down, then walk out the front door. I didn’t think of the security guard being in on it—WOW. 200 rounds down a hallway and he just gets nicked?

[goodkid43Spectator 550]

With all due respect (and I mean that sincerely, Pistol Pete), a more succinct conclusion would be that congressman Steven Scalise, the peaceful protesters at Charlottesville, and those Country Western fans, are all mostly conservatives of various types who have experienced REAL physical violence.

These conservatives and peaceful demonstrators (even though we may not agree with there philosophy) are the one’s who have been violently attacked by the Left (Antifa, BLM etc.). THAT is the real conclusion that should be drawn from the event in Los Vegas.

God bless, Michael

[surfdude12Participant 4103]

They could have escaped room.

Shooting from 10:05-10:16

Security guard at door just after 10:18

More police not there for 10 more minutes

I’ve no idea where security guard was from 10:18-10:26. His room is 5-6 feet from stairwell. If they got to stairwell @10:18, they’d get out . Stairwell not secured at that point

[StargazerParticipant 12505]

As “not the accepted narrative” explanations go, it’s the best I’ve heard so far.

But here’s the question: If there is a bigger deal going down, will the authorities ever actually reveal it and exonerate the guy? Or is it just more convenient to go with the “lone gunman” story and keep the rest of it under the hat?

[PistolPeteParticipant 27143]

I agree goodkid43 it could be as simple as that; but again where is the video? why hasn’t it been released? Who was the lunch guest? Where/who were the people in the crowd with foreknowledge. And the clown that attacked the congressman only had one gun…

[surfdude12Participant 4103]

Even sheriff agrees he likely was NOT acting alone

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/862496/Las-Vegas-shooter-motive-killer-mass-murderer-Stephen-Paddock-Marilou-Danley-FBI-gun

[Pedal, run, rowParticipant]

PistolPete wrote:

My theory could be exploded simply by a release of the room video. The other plausible possibility is that this is another “fast & furious” type of black op. the guy was employed by government defense contractors his whole adult life. which means he had to have a very high security clearance. (those things are pretty thorough, I know I had one when I was with the DoD) and buying a house with cash would have been a red flag. And then there is no suicide note? no statement as to why he did it? People do things for reasons and they want people to know the reasons–that is simple human nature.

Is that confirmed (DOD contractor)? last I heard he was a professional gambler/grifter, who originally made his money in real estate.

That would change my perspective quite a bit if he made his $ being a gov contractor. And this timed on the same week that Tom Cruise gov/Contra drug and gun running movie came out…

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