I Have a MGTOW Question That Needs Answering

[ResidentEvil7Participant 9551]

What is an Alpha male and a Beta male and what is the difference? I’ve heard these two terms before, but I don’t know what they mean. Can someone explain?

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[Knights Templar RisingParticipant 5106]

Alpha = makes, takes, or performs that which is difficult to accomplish.

Beta = sits there fretting while waiting for someone else to do it.

The cancerous rise of the beta male is a putrid abberation spawned from the 1960’s. This is why the world could benefit from a cleansing apocalypse, then the Alpha will reign once again for another 150,000 years.

Sovereignty above all else.

[SpiderHerderParticipant 3767]

Knights Templar Rising wrote:

The cancerous rise of the beta male is a putrid abberation spawned from the 1960’s. This is why the world could benefit from a cleansing apocalypse, then the Alpha will reign once again for another 150,000 years.

Yeah, it will be difficult, but necessary.

[Faust For ScienceParticipant 22531]

ResidentEvil7 wrote:

What is an Alpha male and a Beta male and what is the difference? I’ve heard these two terms before, but I don’t know what they mean. Can someone explain?

Alpha and Beta are illusions in many respects. The so called alpha is the man that woman get wet looking at. Betas are all the other men. But, given much of the arousal of women is situational, there is much illusion for the different between alpha and beta.

In comparison, most times alphas are seen as the badboys, while betas are seen as weak for obeying the laws and working for a living.

Although, anyone that knows about MGTOW knows that the only reason a number of bluecollar men do not break the rules is not because they are unable to do so, but because they do not want to deal with the drama that breaking the rules will bring.

MGTOW teaches men to quietly ghost and disappear. MGTOW is against men protesting and making a scene.

In a collapse of society, many of the so called beta men are going to do what is needed to survive. They are not going to act macho and be openly violent like badboys do. Instead, they will be coldblooded and ruthless in gaining what they want.

In the end, “alpha” and “beta” are terms women use to generalize men. And MGTOW teaches men not to let women define men.

[SpiderHerderParticipant 3767]

I really like your definition, Faust.

[Faust For ScienceParticipant 22531]

SpiderHerder wrote:

I really like your definition, Faust.

Thank you.

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

ResidentEvil7 wrote:

What is an Alpha male and a Beta male and what is the difference?

An alpha male is a dominant male wolf leader of the wolf pack. A beta male is a submissive male wolf member of the wolf pack.

The terms don’t really apply to human social behavior.

[CarnageParticipant 22113]

It comes from animal heriarchy.

In animals groups, the alpha leads, beta are sub serviants to the alpha becouse they cant beat them, he is stronger, more agresive and violent than the others, soo he leads, in consecuence the females are atracted to him and wanna mate with him, the betas might ger sloppy seconds every once in a while and pass their genes.
Also aftee hunting the alpha usually is the first to eat once he is satisfied the others can eat.

Now there are some other clasifications, the omega for example is the loser, he is the last to eat, get beaten up by the alpha, the beta and the females also.

There is also the called sigma or zeta, lone wolves, this ones never form a pack, they just roam around minding their own bussines, the problem is, if the specie we talking about is a hunter specie the lone wolf must survive hunting small pray, generally is not well feed, if it is other specie, been alone is dangerous, makes them an easy mark for predators.

Now in humans as faust said, the alpha males are the top 10% men, the handsome, perfect, fit, charismatic guy, there are some more rudimebtary alphas, the violent, agresive, criminal kind, alphas tend to be a bit in the psychopath and sociopath spectrum.

Women like violent and dominant men.

The beta, on the other hand is weaker, got not much confidence and usually is a mangina, he is the guy who will get the sloppy seconds a.k.a single mothers, over 25 overf~~~ed and std ridden power thot and is the f~~~er to be raising bastard sons from chad and tyrone (rustic alpha).

The omega wold be the incels, the bullied guy, the total loser, basement dweller that has no job, no self steem, fat f~~~ that lives with mom.

The sigma… Mgtow maybe? Everyone is against you, you roam alone around, but everyone attacks you, gay, misoginist, incel, nazi, loser, they call you anything.

Alpha f~~~s
Beta bucks
Omega lose
Sigma/zata what ever he doesnt give a f~~~.

At the end, the rustic alpha is a loser, delincuent, piece of s~~~, the real alpha men of mens (5-10% of men maybe), gets metoed or divorce raped, the beta gets cucked and divorce raped (maybe jail raped by rustic alpha also), omega… He is a loser. The sigma/zeta no one knows where he is.

To those following me, be careful, I just farted. Men those beans are killers.

[iMickey503Participant 12465]

Interesting. I don’t think this is a MGTOW question anymore. It simply does not fit into the later part of MGTOW Philosophy. The whole idea of labels is to classify people. When you go MGTOW? Those classifications schemes no longer apply.

The very idea of classification that we see now is to incite division and hatred. There really is not a Ruler you can use that will give you solid results based on the definition. We are animals, but our pursuits make this classification system scientifically inaccurate.
My reason for believing so happens to be on the way it is used to describe men.

Let’s take the men in this thread. Is one male more MGTOW then the other male? Do you see the problem with that question?

Now take a look at Usain Bolt, and Larry Bird. WHo is more Alpha? Or WHo is the Beta Male?

What it really comes down to is that there are men who are leaders, and those that are not. Those that have drive, and those that have reason to believe that the drive that you have is a useless endeavor based on instinct not intellect.

For example, there are those that see no problem in working for another man. Then their are those that will only work if they own their own business and have control over it and partly themselves.

We have a system here laid out to tell men who happen to want to have families, care for women and children being described as Beta behavior. Then we have a Definition that an Alpha Male is a male who is beyond all that. However, gay men are the very definition of an alpha male since women are not a reason for them to do anything based on their instincts.

The whole way the definitions are presented is used to sell more books, and shame/ blame behavior , and get men to act or behave in one manner or another for another’s benefit.

Simply, it’s to shame you if you like sex with Beautiful women. Or will not accept the programing that is given to you. It’s kind of like a trick of the mind.

Imagine how hard a man works if he gets validation from women. A MAN will do things for that validation that he would never do or put himself through otherwise.

In fact, IMAGINE how you are going to shame a MAN who looks like the GOlds Gym guy about him not wanting to share his Wife? Would that happen? Hell no. But do they still get cheated on? Oh hell yes!

Now why is it okay to run an article about that when the man is some normal working stuff, nothing really great about his body, just a good Husbank? But you will never see that kind of article being posted when the man not only has the looks, the body, the health, and the Means as in money? The public who saw that article, would then JUMP to the chance to break that marriage apart, and get with that guy. (even though, many of them are no better)

It’s all about perspective. And what’s criminal about it, is that it is used to justify to a man that being POOR and without means is fine as long as you have the body, the looks, and the attitude.

In fact, it’s one of the reasons why the “Elite” exist. They already have been taught all about this. And they can avoid the trap. Even women in those circles are not fooled by their own biology or Greed. Since these things are tools that are used to control the masses.

And since most males have responded to shame? It keeps flowing. Notice there is no Fat Man Body Positivity movement. It’s just for women. Same goes for Black males that are told that being successful in school, or having endeavors that Echo White males is considered BETA behavior for black males. It’s in the culture, it’s in the music etc.

In fact, the roots of this go ALL the way back to how people wanted to make society work. In fact the very clothing that you wear defines who you are. We see this most often in Comic Book Media.

The REAL problem with men who are built up like a Brick S~~~ house is no one cares if he is smart, wealthy, powerful, has a nice car. Big dick (Most of the reason why men do body building sadly) A man’s accolades are his Health, and his physical presentation of himself.

It’s one of the reasons why men that happen to look good, and be BUILT like a China Cabinet, are always going to find work or hired. Everyone respects STRENGTH. Not ability. THat is why if you had a Congressman that was a Bodybuilder? Or happen to have a TON of so called Alpha Men running for political power, it would happen no problem. Thing is, those other men that have all this drive compensate with MONEY or really, POWER.

That is why you don’t see Judges being Bodybuilders. Or Politicians.

In fact, if we had more “10’s” , or women who are Knock outs running for Republican tickets, it would be a knock out of the park. Its the Only reason why A.O.C is doing so well.

But notice what kind of women get into office? And notice that most of them are just mouthpieces for someone behind them giving all the orders.

In fact, Poverty and body mass and health are all related to being a Alpha Male. But if you put BIFF, who works at some Fast food place, and Jeff Bezos next to each other? Not a single woman would give a s~~~ about Jeff. That’s until they go out and see Jeff can buy an island. Then you hacked the system. But what are you really getting?

It’s one of the reasons why they Hate white men in particular. Like it or not, it’s the Image of success played into our minds. Power comes from white people. It’s just a clever Marketing tactic. It’s one of the reasons why they don’t market to black men about being dressed like white men. They want you to see that there is some separation between the two. Really, it’s just a marketing gimmick.

It’s like a Black Country Music singer. A white Rapper, etc. We all have preconceived notions of what things are suppose to look like. Most of it driven by marketing.

I’m not saying to ignore these classifications. What I am trying to convey is that most are meaningless. If you actually take people how they are, and they are free to do so? You might find out that some folks are just outside the mold, most are the same, and some were never supposed to be here.

Think of it like Paint. What Color looks best on a car? You can’t really say for sure since there really is no accounting for taste. But there is a reason why you paint things white, or darker colors. Heat being one of them.

As a side note? The only thing that does not make sense to me is if people who live in the sun have darker skin? Does that not attract more heat? You would thing that white people would be in Hot climates, and black people would be in cold climates. But then you take the science of Black body radiation, and this heat and sunlight thing makes sense. Nature really does have its game going let me tell ya!

Also, Media personalities. Some of these people are a wonder how they got on TV. But they had the Charisma that people like. So either way, Alpha, beta, whatever the fu.ck there is, does not really pan out. Just live for you. You will be Master of the Universe!

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[Branched offParticipant 10935]

This is a really good question and actually it is hard to answer. Carnage and Faust have done well and I will try my attempt too.

The problem is that in reality Alpha and Beta are relative to the woman’s point of view (as usual its all about how she feels).

Let me Illustrate this by the case of Prince Harry. Prince Harry is by all measures a man who should rate as an Alpha if it was just about the man not about how the woman feels. He is the handsome son of a handsome Alpha bad boy who cuckolded a prince and he enjoys the status of being a prince himself. He is popular with men and women alike. Aside from being a prince, he is a successful sportsman and army officer. Almost every young woman on earth would have gone with Prince Harry and fought with others to do so. Recently a well known social climbing actress got the chance to meet him and although he had another girlfriend at the time she was not remotely phased. She went out to get him. She threw herself at him and she reeled him in. Prince Harry is now no longer an Alpha in Megan’s eyes. He is now her Beta. He is not allowed to smoke, he is not allowed to hunt and he is not allowed to see his brother as much as he would like. He has to put up with his mother in law all the time instead. I bet he will be changing nappies to give her rest and waking up at night to give the baby a bottle so princess can be treated fairly.

Alpha is a man who can get into a woman’s pussy without having to pay with attention and gifts. He is a man she considers high enough value to be worth just giving herself to. Beta is a man who sustains a relationship with a woman by being a provider of gifts and attention to her and who acts with defference to her.

Now the important thing to see is that these things are relative to the woman in question and her needs at the time. Witness Prince Harry’s transformation from bad boy who parties naked in las vegas to a beta who is gradually ripening for cuckolding or divorce rape. He would still be Alpha to any normal girl who could get her thighs round him if he was ever let out by himself again but he is beta to his “princess” Meghan.

“Alpha” is a man that a woman considers sufficiently high value that to have him is enough. This has evolutionary benefit as it allows women to be impregnated by the best men, its also a short circuit in their wiring that PUAs try to exploit by adopting as many traits that women are wired to view as high value so they can fool a woman’s value detectors for a short time (usually when she is a bit drunk, a bit high on life or feeling a bit down). The PUAs have coloured the whole thing a bit by suggesting that a man can “become and Alpha” (a bit like an Alpha wolf). The truth is a man can practise mimicking high value traits. He can also sort his life out long term to become inherently higher value. Both approaches will gain him more “alpha” access to pussy. However the alpha approach to a woman can only be a short term thing as women always want better. If she actually has the high value man as her mate not as a quick conquest or a side lover, then she now will want the standard default male behaviour from that man (the protection and the provision)regardless of his value.

These are not bad things and there is noting inherently wrong with the Beta approach to women. It is the only long term approach that will work. What is wrong is that today’s woman is so entitled that she does not value what Beta brings or respect him for it, so Beta becomes a fool instead of a hero to her. A lover of mine (who flung herself at me to seduce me) once described the man she wanted as “A real Champion among men, my champion”. She wanted what they all want a high value man who took care of her devotedly. For such a man she said she would be a good wife and give him children. Thing is all her previous history with men pointed to her not being worth fighting for or sacrificing oneself for. I did try to explain to her that “champions need a prize to fight for” but she did not understand, she just wanted the Beta behaviour without giving back any respect for it, any gratitude, without owing anything in return. The contract is broken today. Beta is not a woman’s champion but her fool, so we mock him and we also mock those who dress themselves in high value traits to become “Alpha” to please women to get more access to a thing that has very little value.

Just watch the Chad and Beta show and laugh, its the best approach but never forget its not all about the man and what he is made of (is he an Alpha male or a Beta male). Its always all about her and how she feels.

A woman is like fire -fun to play with, can warm you through and cook your food, needs constant feeding, can burn you and consume all you own

[Eric LauderParticipant 12043]

ResidentEvil7 wrote:

What is an Alpha male and a Beta male and what is the difference? I’ve heard these two terms before, but I don’t know what they mean. Can someone explain?

Alpha and Beta is how an individual woman views and individual man in a particular moment.

In other words:
Tom could be “Beta” according Amy at 2,41 AM Saturday, and then Tom coul be “Alpha” according Elizabeth at 2,41 PM the next Sunday.

Sounds weird?
No, it’s not.

2,41 AM Saturday: Tom is approaching Amy in a Night Club – within the night club there are 30 male models.
2,41 PM Sunday: Tom is at a party, in his and Elizabeth age range there are 12 males and 14 females, casually Tom appear to be the 2nd or the 3rd best looking guy within those 12 + Tom have some physical or behavioral similarities to Elizabeth’s father.

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[sidecarParticipant 35837]

Carnage wrote:

It comes from animal heriarchy.

Mostly canids, actually, and not even all of them. With other animals the terms are generally misapplied, sometimes grossly so, and by people who really should know better.

For example social insects can have extremely rigid social hierarchies, but there’s no such thing as an alpha honeybee.

[iMickey503Participant 12465]

Strange. Everything as a man you do too invest in women, lowers your own value to women. And benefits someone else all at the same time.
Red Pill Rage in a nutshell.

It’s so hard to come to grips that at one time, the men that came to MGTOW, actually appreciated us. Wanted us to be their lovers and champions. And saw no other better than us. That is the mindset that many of us were in. To think that the more we did the less she loved us, the more she despised us or the men around them?

I don’t see that being a long term plan for future population growth. Let alone the future of some western countries.

There was a movie that was put out about a woman who was tortured to the point that she was brought to a state that she would be able to come up with a word or phrase that would kill anyone that heard it.

I think that phrase for the rest of civilization is that “Women can never love you”.

Branched off, your explanation and presentation was Brilliant and insightful usual. The very concepts that make him a high value man, a woman comes in , and destroys all that value.

In fact, I don’t think that the future going forward is going to have any reason to bother with women after the realization that all that women do can be replaced with something better without much fuss. In fact, I have no doubt that just as we don’t use Horses to plow field anymore or oxen, I’m almost certain that those with the right amount of wealth, will indeed choose an artificial woman and birthing as well.

In a way, it really is tragic. In order to make things work, you had to make LAWS and rules to keep the ruse going. And now we make laws to make sure men see what women are like. No other explanation is needed to why women get so many of these protections.

And the best part? These women are going to start Backstabbing like you have NEVER seen before. You think METOO was a thing? Watch what happens when these women can’t get a man to stand next to them, or their hopes and dreams of a Beta Provider go up in smoke.

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[TicParticipant 4329]

I agree that these terms have no value to mgtow.
We simply avoid women voluntarily because of the positive effects on our lives.

I can assume that many members here can get laid quite easily if wanted. Hell, many are successful and success is all you need.

But we choose not to. Getting laid does not a man make. Some of the greatest minds in history like Newton and Tesla avoided women and their demeanor can hardly be described as alpha. Yet they are great contributors to development of our civilization.

mgtow transcend these stupid labels. Because we are better and see the matrix for what it is.

God bless peace and freedom.

[CarnageParticipant 22113]

Tic wrote:

I agree that these terms have no value to mgtow.We simply avoid women voluntarily because of the positive effects on our lives.
I can assume that many members here can get laid quite easily if wanted. Hell, many are successful and success is all you need.
But we choose not to. Getting laid does not a man make. Some of the greatest minds in history like Newton and Tesla avoided women and their demeanor can hardly be described as alpha. Yet they are great contributors to development of our civilization.
mgtow transcend these stupid labels. Because we are better and see the matrix for what it is.

Yup, is all bulls~~~ alpha, beta, omega, what ever, you waste time in bitches, you end f~~~ed up.

To those following me, be careful, I just farted. Men those beans are killers.

[hmskl’dParticipant 6408]

alpha, is a mgtow guy who sells everything and buys used, but nice, sailboat and anchors somewhere near Bimini
with a cold beverage, he enjoys Caribbean sunsets .. his only remaining worry, how long the ice in his glass will last

[CarnageParticipant 22113]

hmskl’d wrote:

alpha, is a mgtow guy who sells everything and buys used, but nice, sailboat and anchors somewhere near Biminiwith a cold beverage, he enjoys Caribbean sunsets .. his only remaining worry, how long the ice in his glass will last

Sign me up for that s~~~.

To those following me, be careful, I just farted. Men those beans are killers.

[Gravel PitParticipant]

It’s all Bullsh1t labels in my opinion. Where they seem applicable, they are just as easily not applicable at all….. Alpha, Beta, Meta, Zeta… where does it all end? Just as being a Pisces doesnt mean much… neither do those labels which people take way too far…

[EGParticipant 1860]

Alpha males are unaffected. If they are affected, it’s usually because they got tricked.

[MonkParticipant 16995]

The alpha is the racehorse to which women aspire and which they ride.

The beta is the plough horse that the they work and despise, but rarely ever ride.

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