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[KeymasterKeymaster]

Gents, good evening. (This thread will disappear in a couple of days because I would rather just say it and forget it. I just hope I say it right.)

We haven’t updated our forums rules and guidelines in +2 years – mostly because we don’t want any “rules” at all. Everyone is already terrific about being their own admin. you known that, and everyone gets together to smoke out trolls and that’s why the forums are still standing and going stronger than ever. Yesterday was our highest visitor day ever.

I’m dropping this note because an older/aged member who we all know – and I have grown fond of – wrote to us that he wanted to leave and delete his profile today because of the way he was treated.

One of the other guys was disrespectful to him in a thread , he just doesn’t want to deal with it, and he would sooner just pack it in. But we are too fond of you guys to just *delete* you, your contributions and all your time. It may sound really silly, but it hurts to do it — physically. I can’t even explain it myself.

When a man reaches a certain age, it’s not worth battling anymore.
That’s how he explained it to me.

He’s got more experience and alot to offer, but if it’s not well-received by the younger guys, well that can leave man deflated and he would question why he even bothers.

We created this place to join men in spirit, instead of competing and “crawling over each other to get to the top”, and sparring , and fighting, internet flame wars, and and “you’re an idiot” and “you don’t know jack s~~~”… and “I’m more MGTOW than you”…. and…… you guys know what I’m talking about.

When you’re throwing a punch at some TV show, or mentality, or some stupid tweet/article, you can trash that s~~~ and p~~~ on it all you want because you’re not hurting anybody. But there are ways to disagree with other members while showing a minimum amount of respect at all times.

I don’t want that member to go. I would rather see members go because they are busy, or because they have plans, or vacation, school, or they work too much…. but NOT because they got treated like s~~~ by other members.

Semi-related, you saw the lashing out by CrazyCanuck yesterday. I’m still very upset about that when I should probably not give a f~~~, but he’s been here long enough to be considered part of the walls. It was such lunacy that several of you even thought his account HAD to be compromised. But it was all him and he knew what he was doing. He’s got some kind of beef and he directed that s~~~ at US for absolutely NO reason. What’s more, he wanted to make a public display out of it instead of just using the contact form directly.

We didn’t create the forums for that.

And now this member wrote to us today (about another incident) and I’m very deflated about it. This note is more personal than professional, I know, but it affected me personally. I suppose I’m just saying please remember there are men on the other end, and some of them have been through big wars. They don’t have the energy or interest to fight with you. It’s not why we’re here.

Thank you for listening.
– The Janitor

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[RoyDalParticipant]

Whoever the unnamed member is, I hope he decides to stay.

Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?

[Deadly RaverParticipant]

To Unknown member:

If this is really bothering you that much, do what I do. Take a break. You don’t owe us your time, we don’t pay you to be here, but one thing I like more than and prize above pretty much anything else is Knowledge. Unfortunately, I don’t have the knowledge of who, what, where, when, why, or how on the incident that Keymaster is speaking of, so I’ll have to run with what I do have. Personally, I know that the internet is that place where people come to blow off steam a lot, and they tend to get a bit drunk with power sometimes and say things that they otherwise wouldn’t have said, or at the very least without so much………..vigor. Thankfully, I no longer do that kind of thing online. Kinda grown above it, but I’m not everybody. Maybe the majority of women on the planet have gone slowly insane over the past few decades, but don’t forget that we men have been there, and getting worse thanks to the world as it is, for a while. Take a break. Hell, in the famous words of a certain website, Go Your Own Way if you need to. But please, don’t hit the delete button on your account. Walk out out of the bar and do whatever you want. We’ll be here when and if you get back. It’s your decision, but I hope you won’t ditch the rest of us to avoid the internet mean drunk.

Learn from the past, Control the present, and you will know the Future.

[Anonymous 54]

We’re asking you to stay man.

[FunInTheSunParticipant 8283]

Well, I’m sad to see someone leaving and taking all his wisdom with him. Whoever you are: farewell and thank you for sharing your thoughts with us. When I first came here, I’ve had my share of disagreements with other forum posters about a variety of topics, but I’ve also respected their opinions and even learned some insightful stuff from their criticisms. I get mainly positive feedback here. Any wisdom and life lessons that are shared are valuable to me.

"I saw that there comes a point, in the defeat of any man of virtue, when his own consent is needed for evil to win-and that no manner of injury done to him by others can succeed if he chooses to withhold his consent. I saw that I could put an end to your outrages by pronouncing a single word in my mind. I pronounced it. The word was ‘No.’" (Atlas Shrugged)

[Anonymous 42]

OK, whip it out! Lets measure dicks once and for all and destroy this f~~~ing place! (just kidding).

I’m the same way with ignorant arrogant youth, I s~~~can them along with the bath water, I’m just glad there’s so many youth here thirsty for an education on the world that’s (in all reality) new to them, they came from the darkness of birth with little or no understanding of the world around them.

From what I’ve seen here, one bad apple doesn’t spoil the whole bunch, It’s a bad apple and the rest of us see it clearly.

Mr. Anonymous member, and battle hardened senior citizens, these younger men-bers (kids) are absolutely lost without the battle plans we used to stay alive in a world that rather we not.

You kids are F~~~ED without the wisdom found here.

Life is a dangerous abandoned mine left in the wake of feminism. We know how to get out alive!

With Mr. Anomous leaving he’s also taking with him the knowledge of where all the abandoned blasting caps are buried in dust on the floor where you youngsters so arrogantly walk and stomp around on your own pride. He knows where all the abandoned dynamite was left behind from years ago when the mine was productive for men and not a death trap. He knows where all the rotted false floors are. He knows where the rock is ready to burst from the extreme pressure. He knows where all the rattlesnakes hide. He knows which tunnels are laced with poisonous gas. He knows not to stand under to an oar chute or in a stoap full of rotten timber.

He leaves, and your future just gets allot more dangerous as your arrogance and ignorance will leave you stone cold dead in this deep dark abandoned mine from half century ago when the earthquake of feminism made it such a dangerous place.

One other thing Junior, your light is dim and your batteries are dying, and all you can do is call the old hard rock miner that’s managed to get out alive, an old fool.

Your loss.

P.S. I remember when the mine had ventilation and electricity, I was a kid when the earthquake struck and the mine went dark. You were never meant to be lost and roaming around in such a deadly and dark place…

[JollyMisanthropeParticipant 3356]

There’s no reason to disregard civility when talking to people here. I’ve noticed moronic belligerence form certain people from time to time but I just avoid the conversations.

I wholeheartedly agree that the whole “More MGTOW than thou art” is an issue that pervades this portion of the manosphere. It’s not a competition people. Those who are obsessed with proving themselves or creating a reputation are really just displaying their insecurities and lack of maturity. Unfortunately this seems to happen whenever you get a group of people in the same space for long enough, especially when social/political issues are at the forefront.

The Children of Doom... Doom's Children. They told my lord the way to the Mountain of Power. They told him to throw down his sword and return to the Earth... Ha! Time enough for the Earth in the grave.

[Solo MAN’S WisdomParticipant]

Thanks, KM. This is something I’ve noted as well, and it’s beneath men to do this. The insulting, the shaming, the disdain for other men is what women do. We are here to support other men. To empower them. To share our mistakes, so that, hopefully, we and others can learn from them.

When women lead, destruction is the destination. -- Me.

[Anonymous 5]

If it was any other forums I’d assume someone was having a bad time offline if they reacted by wanting to leave over a derogatory comment, BUT NOT HERE.

I see men come in here on a daily, weekly, monthly basis sharing intimate knowledge of their lives of stupidity with women.
They share their lives and opinions on the unspoken, unwritten rule that they won’t be disrespected for doing so.
They’ve already copped a lifetime of ridicule and discrimination because of their gender and their trust of society.

Here we have an honorary system that seems to work so incredibly well.
I hope this anonymous member and every other member who feels they may have been belittled or insulted for speaking their mind can overlook the glitches and see the bigger picture.

Whatever you decide you should know we all want any men who’ve shared their lives on here to stay here but we’re right behind whatever decision you make.

Hopefully we can continue with the Ayn Rand anarchy model of organisation.
Bringing in rules may create more problems than it solves.

[experiencedParticipant]

I hope he does not leave.
He should stay.
We all disagree from time to time, but that is the strength of this forum.
Like a diamond that needs many facets to illuminate.
If one out of a hundred of my posts helps some man somewhere, then I’ve succeeded.
I Know his posts have helped many many more.
Every guy here has a different angle on things, that’s how we all learn.
We, him, myself all need to realize that his leaving would be a victory in the war, a victory for those who drove us here.

"It seems like there's times a body gets struck down so low, there ain't a power on earth that can ever bring him up again. Seems like something inside dies so he don't even want to get up again. But he does."

[Jan SobieskiParticipant 28791]

This is not how things should be.

We shold not be turning on each other.

Love is just alimony waiting to happen. Visit mgtow.com.

[505vikingoParticipant 521]

Hi Keymaster,

Your point is well stated. We as a collective movement gaining traction need to support one another. Of course, we will not always agree with each other. But, we should treat one another as a Brother always. There are different phases of MGOTW just as there are different phases of life. We are all at different points in our MGTOW travels. I hope our senior member doesn’t leave, and thank you for taking the initiative to resolve this asap.

Well done!

[Anonymous 0]

Everyone has ‘their wisdom’.
One problem starts when ‘one’ feels that ‘their wisdom’ should be absorbed and then reflected by other people.
Anther problem can start when ‘one’ feels that another’s point of view is different from theirs and then proceeds to argue his point as if it is ‘the way’.

Keymaster wrote:

I would rather see members go because they are busy, or because they have plans, or vacation, school, or they work too much…. but NOT because they got treated like s~~~ by other members

Yes I agree. This is surely the ideal.

I don’t know the details of the incident.
I think that one should treat real life interactions and internet interactions with the same care and respect.

However if ones real-life wellbeing is dependant on internet verification then one should log off, turn off, and face the bittersweet wonderment that is reality.

[Anonymous 42]

Keymaster wrote:

(This thread will disappear in a couple of days because I would rather just say it and forget it. I just hope I say it right.)

Please don’t delete this thread, litter box yes, delete no, I think it will pan out to reflect the true nature of the men that walked away, and lived to tell about it.

[DauntlessParticipant 403]

Well, now. I went to sleep yesterday and everything seemed fine, and this is what I wake up to. You fellas never cease to surprise.

Real talk: This is a really unfortunate situation and I sincerely hope that whoever this unnamed gentleman is decides to stay. There’s some really hot-headed young men here going through the rage period of their red-pill journey. Not trying to make an excuse for them, but I’m just saying, they might lash out at you for no reason when you lay down the truth for them to see.

Don’t take it to heart, listen to them and sympathize with them. Let them vent. They’ll get over their rage and find inner peace eventually. They’re gonna have to if they wish to live a happier life.

"To live is to suffer; to survive is to find some meaning in the suffering." - Friedrich Nietzsche

[TuneoutParticipant]

Solo MAN’S Wisdom wrote:

Thanks, KM. This is something I’ve noted as well, and it’s beneath men to do this. The insulting, the shaming, the disdain for other men is what women do. We are here to support other men. To empower them. To share our mistakes, so that, hopefully, we and others can learn from them.

Exactly,lets not let this site degrade to the point of FB or Twitter,we came here to get away from
catty female behaviour and mangina ‘internet tough guy’
bulls~~~.

You can respectively disagree with someone,state your opinion,then move on.

Life really IS too short, brothers too waste arguing about trivial s~~~.

Lifes a bitch,but you don't have to marry one!

[DorkShitParticipant 4353]

Key master,

I would like to apologize. I personally recognize my particular gaff. I had a fatal flaw in my logic. I forgot that being an old sage and imparting wisdom first requires a great degree of respect. This respect can only be acquired over time.

It is never proper to start out with righteous indignation upon the pedestal of truth. All it accomplishes is disdain for one’s conceit and arrogance.

While my conceit and arrogance know no bounds in real life, I must learn the way of this online forum stuff before spouting off.

Just because I may have been right it didn’t make my approach right.

I shall endeavor to improve.

Dark out

Peace brothers

[Anonymous 11]

@AnonymousMember: You have made valuable contributions that have helped men. I know how it feels to be swiped at for no reason. It hurts. I also remember being young and c~~~y thinking I knew everything too. I know I hurt other people back then.

Emotionally based decisions have always proven to be poor ones for me over the years. Take some time to let yourself heal and decompress sometimes this battle we wage gets to us all. I would really like for you to stay. We are small in number yet powerful. Even the loss of one of us has a negative impact.

If you choose to go your own way, I respect it.

[Big BossParticipant 4496]

I will call this thread Bob.

[TaxGuyParticipant]

Reading this reminds me of a scene from the movie Colors. Sean Penn is a young cop and Robert Duvall is his older partner. Duvall tell a joke about a ranch with two bulls, a young one and an old one. The young bull looks out at the field of cows and says “I think I’m gonna run down there and f~~~ one of those cows.” The old bull says “Why don’t we walk down there and f~~~ them all.”

I hope the old bull you’re talking about decides to stay. I stay on this forum because I’ve never found a more intelligent group of men to talk to. Sometimes we agree, sometimes we don’t. You also never completely know who you are talking to and what they are going through that they don’t talk about. When someone really lashes out it rarely has anything to do with who they are lashing out at.

Stick around brother, let’s f~~~ them all!!!

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