How do you negotiate higher pay at an interview?

[ozzynotwoodParticipant 44]

We’ve all be let go at work (I guess this is a type of MGTOW? LOL). I have interviews lined up and I do want to “level up” in income. How have you negotiated this in interviews?

If they didn't have pussies they'd have targets on their backs,

[LookAfter#1Participant 352]

Explain how you are worth it. List what you bring to the company.

Pay is basically how much a company values you. If you can sell yourself as being awesome and of benefit to the company then you have a higher value.

The best example of this is professional athletes, who are basically a commodity that goes up and down in value.
When the athlete is winning and is the best out there = The athlete has a higher value to any team = The athlete can demand higher pay. Especially when there is a shortage of talent for teams to choose from (an employees market).
When the athlete has a bad season and no results = The athlete has a lower value = Teams are not willing to pay him as much. Especially when there is a lot of available athletes out there who are all looking for a contract and there’s not many teams looking for new signings (an employers market).

Interestingly, my employer hasn’t give us a pay rise in years and my employer is now wondering why all those who are qualified and experienced are leaving the company en-masse to work elsewhere?

[pabsawakeParticipant 1761]

Wear a nice suit and act like you don’t give a f~~~ if they hire you or not.

Make your interviewers feel greatful that you are actually giving them your time.

"You can either love women or understand them, you can't do both". Truth over everything

[SandalsParticipant 4253]

pabsawake wrote:

Wear a nice suit and act like you don’t give a f~~~ if they hire you or not.

Make your interviewers feel greatful that you are actually giving them your time.

I must respectfully disagree with this. Interviewers can see through everything, especially hiring managers.

Short answer…in this economy, you don’t. Take what they give you and work your ass off, making connections, delivering outstanding results, and making yourself indispensable to a necessary part of the company. Your pay will soon rise to your level of competency.

If you really feel you deserve a higher salary, you must demonstrate you have already accomplished what they seek. Bring it to them and show them right then and there. Do not say, “I have developed my own content management system”. Every tech guy says that, and every tech guy think he’s the only one.

Long answer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LyQshyI7Y6A

[LookAfter#1Participant 352]

making yourself indispensable [and] a necessary part of the company. Your pay will soon rise to your level of competency.

^^^ Agreed. You’ve summed up what I was trying to say in 2 lines.

[SandalsParticipant 4253]

pabsawake wrote:

Wear a nice suit and act like you don’t give a f~~~ if they hire you or not.

Bluffing never works. But incidentally, if you really don’t care if they hire you, and you really are among the best in the world at what you do, scrap the suit and wear jeans, $300 Italian loafers, $100 dress shirt, untucked, and Drakkar (yes, Drakker is still the best). But do not be arrogant – still show a desire to be part of the team and to do your best. Be in monk mode.

[Anonymous 6]

You don’t. You take the base pay and work your way up. By the time you have the stroke to demand higher pay, hopefully, you’ll have a list of successes behind you that demonstrate why you deserve higher pay.

Be the most valuable employee, and threaten to leave and go elsewhere. When you do that, they’ll beg you to stay, and you’ll have the ball in your corner to negotiate more money.

If your leaving one job and going to another, just tell them in the interview that a pay raise is expected before accepting a new position.

[Anonymous 6]

All my raises came via doing something extraordinary then threatening to leave.

They do not give raises away. They give raises as tge boss is scared to see the golden goose depart. Reflects poirly on them.

IMPORTANT…NEVER TELL ANYONE YOU PRESURED THEM FOR A RAISE OR GOT ONE.

Everone is your enemy…EVERYONE.

Stealth in all things.

AND NEVER TALK MONEY WITH YOUR CO-WORKERS!!!
The only people that should know what you make, are YOU, The Boss, and the finance dept that handles pay.

Now if your in aa military position, those jobs go by pay grades, so not telling people what you make is kinda difficult. But it goes without saying, don’t walk around talking about how much you make or how little you make. Take that convo to your supervisor when the time comes

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Scroll down to my comment here which was just discussed the other day. I would NOT even discuss salary one second before its appropriate… for the same reason that I woudln’t discuss the size of an engagement on a first date – or even a 5th.

/forums/topic/when-is-it-appropriate-to-start-discussing-compensation/

Further on this…

If they make an ACCEPTABLE offer, I would still ask “is that the best you can do?”…. and then thank them for the offer and tell them I’ll think about it overnight.

If the offer was even a little under, I might take it, but I would DEFINITELY INSIST – and be clear – on another meeting at 90 days to boost it citing my appreciation that they are not familiar with my work ethic (or true value and potential) yet. However you justify what you want is naturally up to you but you don’t have to do it before you start.

Sometimes WAIT until you add value first.

During that time, if they ask/expect you to stay late and you’re not getting what you want (or believe you should get) yet…. DO NOT stay late “as a favor just this once”. Tell them you have plans, and when your hand is on the door on your way out, turn and say: “With more notice I would be happy to stay and help with whatever you need for an additional incentive which you have not yet offered”.

…. or something like that.
You can even state “double time”.

When they need you is a better time to negotiate than getting up out of your chair one day to do it. Your boss knows already if he says “no” you’re only going to go back to your desk and keep working. So wait until you’re already on your way out. Then you have pull , and class, they see your worth, etc. and you can now confidently schedule a meeting for Monday.

Let them display their character to you before you decide how best to handle it. Then display yours.

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Disclaimer: ALL financial advice on the internet must be regarded as certain to yield long-term negative outcomes. Having said that, I have a clear way of handling this personally (and professionally) and it has served me very well – even though I didn’t always/often get what I want.

Self-respect is worth a lot to me.

Although TWICE, I doubled my salary in a 5-minute conversation. Once when I was working for slave wages…. and once when I decided I had enough of being taken advantage of. They gave it to me after one year, which really p~~~ed me off. They should have given it to me a year earlier. Live and learn.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[SandalsParticipant 4253]

Anonymous wrote:

AND NEVER TALK MONEY WITH YOUR CO-WORKERS!!!
The only people that should know what you make, are YOU, The Boss, and the finance dept that handles pay.

Agreed. On the other hand, keep your ear to the ground and when you can, figure out what everyone else is making. But never LOOK like you know or are trying to figure it out. If you listen long enough, you’ll hear it all.

[RockmaninoffParticipant 1641]

Sandals wrote:

Your pay will soon rise to your level of competency.

Anonymous wrote:

AND NEVER TALK MONEY WITH YOUR CO-WORKERS!!!
The only people that should know what you make, are YOU, The Boss, and the finance dept that handles pay.

What? Talking about money with your co-workers is essential! It lets you know who’s being under-balled, and it promotes solidarity in the workforce.

I once almost didn’t take a job because in the employment agreement it said that discussing money with your co-workers was grounds for insubordination. Because God forbid that employees come to the negotiating table well-informed and on an equal negotiating table with the employer!

". . . elle, suivant l’usage des femmes et des chats qui ne viennent pas quand on les appelle et qui viennent quand on ne les appelle pas, s’arrêta devant moi et m’adressa la parole"—Prosper Mérimée

[pabsawakeParticipant 1761]

I never suggested that you bluff. you see this is millennial thinking you guys have been conditioned to be cuckholes. I never told you to bluff, I suggested you be confident.

"You can either love women or understand them, you can't do both". Truth over everything

[SandalsParticipant 4253]

pabsawake wrote:

I never suggested that you bluff. you see this is millennial thinking you guys have been conditioned to be cuckholes. I never told you to bluff, I suggested you be confident.

Take it easy. Your comment could certainly be construed that way by some, so I was clarifying my opinion on the matter. You did say “act”, and that is bluffing, weather you want it to be or not. No need to insult.

Rockmaninoff wrote:

What? Talking about money with your co-workers is essential! It lets you know who’s being under-balled, and it promotes solidarity in the workforce.

I once almost didn’t take a job because in the employment agreement it said that discussing money with your co-workers was grounds for insubordination. Because God forbid that employees come to the negotiating table well-informed and on an equal negotiating table with the employer!

There is an economic concept called economic rent. It’s difficult to understand why some folks will get paid much more than others. Two people can create the same web page form, and one with tight security, and the other with no security behind the form, leaving the company open to MILLIONS in liability. But the two simple web forms look the same. So maybe the front end forms you make get sent to the back-end security guy, and you’re both programmers in the same department. He is worth MUCH more than you, but you might not understand why. You both work hard, but your value does not lie in how hard you work. Your value lay in what you bring to the company, or your boss, or your department, and that may involve areas you don’t yet see or comprehend from a non-management perspective. Companies don’t need angry jealous employees everywhere – that will not benefit anyone.

Do you really want to know why the blond hair girl got the admin job instead of the better qualified man?

[Y_Participant 4591]

In my opinion, there are a number of things you need to consider in the interview before asking about salary.

This topic usually puts managers off if it brought in too early. Salary is only discussed once you have sold yourself as a contender and the last hurdle.

Depending on the type of job you are doing now, the experience you bring into the vacancy, the expectations of the bosses, the perks, the current condition of the company, your co-workers’ salaries, the industry range for this position, the number of candidates equal or better than you – all these factor in.

My view is that it’s how well you get on with the interviewers that will land you the job – or not. It will not go to the smartest or the best-paid in a previous job. They are contenders but without that added personal empathy you usually will not make it – unless you are going in to work as a packer in a sausage factory.

Do your homework. You have to sell yourself (honestly) first. Once that is done you may ask discreetly about pay and rises and see if they are willing to talk further. Usually there is a range they will be comfortable with. Don’t push the issue if it appears to discomfort them.

If you are indispensable then you can name your price. In 99% of cases you are somewhere in the middle and it all depends f the hiring manager likes you enough to go further.

Even if you refuse the offer show class in how you deal with them.

DO NOT LIE. EVER.

Word of mouth is a big factor in this game.

Good luck.

[ozzynotwoodParticipant 44]

Thanks for all the useful info guys.

I got the job and got the money I was going for.

If they didn't have pussies they'd have targets on their backs,

[KeymasterKeymaster]

ozzynotwood wrote:

I got the job and got the money I was going for.

Excellent! Enormous gratz are in order. Damn happy to hear it! Very nicely done.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

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