How 1984 Is Coming True On A Global Scale

[Anonymous 3]

Secret Agent MGTOW wrote:

Telescreens cannot be turned off. Not the common folks screens. They also were placed in every house by the govt. Everyone knew they were surveillance devices.

Our tvs can be turned off.

Actually they cant, unless you pull the plug. That is why you turn them with a key or a remote, and not a mains switch. The TV/Computer/Smartphone is partially on.

And there is an Android hack where you shutdown the smartphone, and he actually keeps running to record or locate you. The only safe “turn off” for smartphones would be to take out batteries. Yet you can no longer do that in latest devices…

Smartphones are a lot better than the Telescreens, because they can spy on you everytime, and not only at home.

And you pay for it yourself…

[OldBillParticipant]

Cú Chulainn wrote:

Homage to Catalonia…

Great book. Everyone should read it.

Regarding Orwell’s fears for the future, I believe we’re going to see an authoritarian state more along the lines of Huxley’s Brave New World. More goodies and distractions, not as much overt terror.

Paraphrasing Orwell, it’s not going to be a jackboot on the face of humanity forever as much as a jackboot on the face of some other guy while we all enjoy Centrifugal Bumble Puppy and don’t even notice.

Huxley’s world is just as ruthless as Orwell’s, just in a different fashion. Most potential dissidents aren’t even allowed to be born, a majority of the population has been genetically engineered and psychological conditioned not to even ask questions and anyone who oversteps their bounds gets exiled to a “primitives reservation”.

Do not date. Do not impregnate. Do not co-habitate. Above all, do not marry. Reclaim and never again surrender your personal sovereignty.

[MoreSkyParticipant 4865]

Anonymous wrote:

First, in the book the country in which the protagonist is living, Oceana or Air Strip One, is in a constant state of war.

Great book. Read it many times. When kindles first came out many years ago it was the first book I bought.

Oceania is the US and UK. Airstrip One is the UK, the story mainly being set in London.

One of my favourite films, Equilibrium, has a similar theme.

I would agree that there are a lot of parallels with North Korea but I would throw in Google, Facebook and similar as well (Ministry of Truth).

"...reinvent your life because you must; it is your life and its history and the present belong only to you.” It is Your Life, Charles Bukowski.

[Cú ChulainnParticipant 3910]

I agree that Huxley’s dystopia is more likely than Orwell’s. But once you have your brave new world then next step is to introduce 1984. There’s always one more step in authoritarianism, its like mathematics, you can always add one more number. Its infinite, unless there is effective resistance to it and/or revolution.

So Huxley, the iron fist in a soft glove, by stealth. And I agree Facebook and the rest are good examples of how this will slowly roll out, numb the masses, group think, then its wrong think…..etc

[KevinStylesParticipant 2580]

Faust For Science wrote:

1984 was a novel about a population completely under control of a tyrannical government through fear. Most of the American people are to cynical and upset for such a system to fully work for this current generation.

Kind of but kind of not. If you look at society today, we are manipulated by politicians using fear and changes that are put into effect for ‘our safety’. It’s how things get done today. Have a goal that’ll financially benefit someone who supported that politician, get people on board and create a fear, freak the general population out for a while and then propose a change for ‘our safety’ that financially benefits some special interest group. WIN.

Maybe i’m one of those cynical people, but that’s how I perceive things work today. There’s no faster way to make huge changes than using fear to manipulate the population.

[narwhalParticipant]

To me, this ties back to the recent events in Charlottesville. I find the public’s reaction to the event more disturbing to the event itself. The general consensus seem to be that white nationalist needed to irradiated. That they should not be allowed to speak their views freely. Any attempt to make an argument is free speech immediately gets you classified as a white nationalist yourself.

The US Government is being thought of as the moral authority. Where politicians don’t follow the publically accepted moral authority, then we want them removed, no reason required.

It is very dangerous indeed. And like me, much of population will be too content and distracted to care. I do think though that Americans, and much of the world won’t just accept it lying down.

Ok. Then do it.

[Anonymous 3]

Anonymous wrote:

Firstly, you forgot to mention Groupthink. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groupthink%5B/quote%5D

[quote quote=569769]It’s rewriting history to better suit the feminist campaign. Taking these great, smart, talented men who broke down boundaries and got things done, and claiming their wives

Groupthink is one of the main reasons MGTOW cannot start a ” Club ” Glad it was mentioned in this thread. Revisionists they call themselves who want to rewrite history to serve the present day needs of Groupthink. I watched the original black & white 1984 movie that starred Edmund O’Brien. i would suggest that to anyone. they showed the 1984 version with Hurt recently. saw that twice & read the book twice. I will say we are way beyond !984 in the far more subtle ways used to control thinking. waking up & breaking free is more like what happened to Neo when he took the red pill. the only way out today is by going in. stay connected to yourself & all things will come clear. you will surely break out this Blue Pill delusion we call modern society. MGTOW is the future and the future is NOW

[OldBillParticipant]

Anonymous wrote:

I will say we are way beyond !984 in the far more subtle ways used to control thinking.

Agreed. That’s also why I think Huxley’s Brave New World is far more authoritarian than Orwell’s 1984.

Orwell’s state still needs constant surveillance, the Ministry of Love, the Ministry of Truth, Room 101, and all the rest to continually find, break, and execute free thinkers while imposing Groupthink.

In Huxley’s state, free thinkers aren’t even born and Groupthink is both encoded genetically and reinforced through subliminal psychiatric conditioning.

In Orwell’s state, some people still think something is wrong while in Huxley’s state, people no longer even think.

I can see why Orwell’s future seems more authoritarian to the casual reader. The violence is overt, the lies are obvious, and the evil palpable. By contrast, Huxley’s future is almost seductive. The reader is threatened with philosophical arguments and not by crazed rats trying to gnaw off their face.

Huxley’s future’s velvet glove contains an iron fist far more terrible, comprehensive, and likely than Orwell’s future’s reliance on thugs, informers, and torturers.

Do not date. Do not impregnate. Do not co-habitate. Above all, do not marry. Reclaim and never again surrender your personal sovereignty.

[TwistParticipant]

Anonymous wrote:

That’s why the Confederate monuments are under scrutiny. They don’t serve the PC agenda.

Yes, the PC agenda. I heard an interesting query about when all the buildings named for Robert Byrd would be renamed due to his Klan history. Expect crickets….

And the hijacking of language – so many beautiful words now rendered with new meanings:
Gay
Liberal
Progressive
Equality
Affordable
Care

etc.

[Cú ChulainnParticipant 3910]

Actually both could co-exist, the implanted Huxleyian ‘civilised’ population, no longer need the Ministries. But Huxley has an ‘out’ – the primitives. That’s where Big Brother would have to send in the thought police and thugs. Once they’re brought back under direct control – back into the brave new world – its game over, the Matrix.

I also think THX 1138 is a decent stab at the ideas of both authors. George Lucas did ok.

Another great dystopian writer is JG Ballard. What makes him just as good is his dystopias are recognisable, similar to the present, but with something not quite right, but enough to give you the creeps. London and its crazed suburbs are his usual settings. Check him out

[OldBillParticipant]

Cú Chulainn wrote:

But Huxley has an ‘out’ – the primitives.

You’re continuing to overlook the fact that we know far more about Huxley’s world than Orwell’s.

Huxley’s future is global and we’re shown it worldwide as the characters travel worldwide. One of the world’s controllers, Mustapha Mond, cheerfully tells a group of young Alphas in training all about the bad old world and it’s bad old ways without a lie on his lips. Mond even acknowledges what humanity has lost to gain the paradise they live in. Mond hides nothing and admits all.

The primitives aren’t hidden either, nor are they feared or seen as a threat. They’re a fun tourist attraction.

In contrast, Orwell’s future is local. Everything beyond what Smith himself has witnessed is either a potential lie or has already been lied about so many times. We know nothing of the world beyond where Smith lives and works.

While we’re told there’s an Oceania, Eurasia, and Eastasia, we never see them. We’re told of wars, again we never see them. Everything everyone says is a potential lie, O’Brien gleefully admits that, and yet the reader is supposed to accept that the background Smith provides – a background he’s been indoctrinated in by his government – has any kernel of truth in it?

Huxley shows us an entire world distracted and pampered into happy lives of voluntary slavery. Orwell shows one dirty little corner of a nuked island where thugs torture each other and beyond which nothing is really known.

I get it. Orwell and 1984 are “sexier”. They’re also far more taught in secondary schools as torture is somehow more acceptable than sex. However, Huxley shows us his entire world while Orwell only has people and institutions who are known liars describe his.

Who you going to believe? The world tour or the liars?

Do not date. Do not impregnate. Do not co-habitate. Above all, do not marry. Reclaim and never again surrender your personal sovereignty.

[MGTOW KnightParticipant 7477]

OldBill wrote:

In Huxley’s state, free thinkers aren’t even born and Groupthink is both encoded genetically and reinforced through subliminal psychiatric conditioning.

Yeah in Huxley’s world you conform or die.

Fuck bitches... literally and metaphorically

[Anonymous 3]

Great analysis Bill
Yes we are faced with a type of brainwashing that parades itself as the way things are.Here is my little take: It is what it is,but not really. Stay awake. Don’t fall back asleep

[Freeman_KParticipant 3524]

It is a bleak outlook on personal freedoms, really.

In my opinion there is around 10 years to go until they have systems merged together. Fakebook and other social media, your internet IP, social security number or Tax ID, police records, employment history, phone, laptop & desktop data with microphone and camera data…. and then just add cashless society and you are plug&play or unplug&die powerless drone that can be deleted from the system for any perceived or real threat.

The end of personal freedom will come with cashless society and women will vote for politicians who will promise them hive interconnected cashless society. And then it will all collapse. I just hope to be alive to watch this spectacular event.

The choices we make, not the chances we take, determine our destiny

[Anonymous 6]

MGTOW Knight wrote:

OldBill wrote:

In Huxley’s state, free thinkers aren’t even born and Groupthink is both encoded genetically and reinforced through subliminal psychiatric conditioning.

Yeah in Huxley’s world you conform or die.

In a sense that’s were I see the world, especially America, head right this very moment. I say that in a very measured way so let me explain. The mainstream media and the left of all stripes expect and demand both ideological purity and a confession of fidelity to that ideological purity on an ongoing basis. With out the aforementioned items from an individual the left will then relentlessly chastise and demonize he who does not conform to the Marxist ideal, the same thing goes for the feminists too. The only thing that amplifies the negative treatment is the visibility of the individual who becomes a target. This applies to those in politics, media, academia, etc.

Now on to the Huxleyan version of the future. The people are so distracted by “bread and circuses” that they actually love what is going on. I see that in some measure today. NFL stadiums are built using massive funds from cities and counties only to be torn down 5 to 15 years later just to have the same process start all over again. I’ve seen stadiums built for pro sports teams that did the aforementioned thing but ALSO the city condemned entire housing developments to make room for the stadium. Cowboy’s stadium is the primary example that I’m thinking of, but also the Ballpark in Arlington too. I’ve seen the same thing happen for a mall. So it’s the pursuit of physical pleasure, the entertainment, combined with being forced to toe the company line (which is the Marxist/ feminist agenda).

Just my two cents.

[Anonymous 6]

Freeman_K wrote:

It is a bleak outlook on personal freedoms, really.

In my opinion there is around 10 years to go until they have systems merged together. Fakebook and other social media, your internet IP, social security number or Tax ID, police records, employment history, phone, laptop & desktop data with microphone and camera data…. and then just add cashless society and you are plug&play or unplug&die drone that can be deleted from the system for any perceived or real threat.

The end of personal freedom will come with cashless society and women will vote for politicians who will promise them hive interconnected cashless society. And then it will all collapse. I just hope to be alive to watch this spectacular event.

I’d refine that by saying that I hope to be around to watch what you’ve described ENFORCED. That’s what’s going to be the real s~~~ storm. I live in Texas and can tell you that there are a whole lot of folks who wont take to kindly to that stuff. Repeat ad infinitum across the rest of Dixie and the Midwest.

[Cú ChulainnParticipant 3910]

What opened my eyes to Facebook, apart from the fake lives wenches were portraying on there, was that when I decided to DELETE my account I couldn’t. I can only DEACTIVATE the damn thing.

Just like in Alien 3, where Ripley reactivates the scrap heap ‘corpse’ of Bishop the android, it doesn’t die. IT CANT DIE – YOUR PAST BLUE PILL MISDEMEANOURS. What you put on there STAYS ON THERE; Zuckerberg, The Man or even the f~~~ing MiB can still access it, its floating around some server somewhere, the cyberghost of your past. It shall not grow old as you grow old.

Now I’m not an employer, but if I was I’d be googling each candidate that wanted to work for me. Id still keep FB just to check candidates out. Id know more about them than their CVs. I bet what i could find wouldnt be pretty in most cases. People are so f~~~ing gullible with the s~~~ they put online about themselves. Their narcissism has left them vulnerable to all kinds of future abuse. I was semi cautious, but it doesn’t mean s~~~, THEY still have the scoop on you.

Another thing was I’d search for a pair of trainers for two mins online, next thing there’s ads non-stop on my social media for training shoes. Its spying, benign perhaps, SO FAR, but the systems are there for 24/7 surveillance of your online life. Look how much time we spend online. Now, call me cynical, but I’m in good company on this forum, but sure as there’s a hole in my ass The Man is already collecting data on every motherf~~~er who ever fired up a laptop and went online.

Its here, now its all Coca-Cola, Nike and Katy f~~~ing Perry, but the big jackboot is a whisker away.

What does one do?! Prep and buy a f~~~ load of armour piercing rounds? Not practical or possible in cucky old Europe. Hide as a hermit? Take up multiple personas like that mad mike guy on here who had fake everything just to score some tail?

Its frightening. Its a self-multiplying system, its organic in its own bureaucracy and multifaceted and certainly global. They have control of the message, the force to back it up, and everything to lose. Scary times bros.

[RealityBitesParticipant 2198]

The left have appointed themselves to be “thought police”. They also are very busy rewriting history and redefining words in the English Language.

[Dashing Young DissidentSpectator]

I don’t give a f~~~ anymore. Let the world burn. F~~~ everyone. F~~~ humanity.

[Cú ChulainnParticipant 3910]

Nah, no black pill here, I value my sovereignty, and I like having a relatively free life. I’m looking at ways to disappear in plain sight, how do you go deep enough into hermit/monk mode without:

A – stinking and starving in a lean to in a forest, think Chris McCandless

B – being too high profile as to be rounded up by the blue haired shock troops of the Feminist Union of Soviet Europe, along with the rest of the sheep.

Its something I need to work out. Prep without going daft, yet keep a tenuous link to the reservation to support yourself while being the ultimate ghost – the Grey Man.

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