Honest question – Not a debate

[OldBillParticipant]

Nomad82 wrote:

I see that there is unlimited wymen bashing at all times.

The word is spelled WOMYN. If you’re going to satirize feminist phrases and words, start by spelling them correctly.

However is your MGTOW drive based on hate/dislike for wymen, or the law/court/system?

For myself, the answer is that no hatred of women is involved. For too many others here, the answer is obvious.

Hating requires caring. I no longer care about women enough to hate them. I no longer care enough about women to even pity them.

Women are what they are. I will no more rail against their nature than I would rail against any other part of nature. Hating women is akin to hating gravity or the curve of binding energy. You can’t “hate” a fact of nature. All you can do is accept that fact and act accordingly.

MGTOW is both a journey of self discovery and a process of self improvement. Both require the other, both act synergy with the other, and both require the development of some modicum of personal understanding. Working to set aside the feeling of rage and the hate which fuels is an important part of the journey and the process.

Rage and hate do play a role early in the process because MGTOW requires grieving. Men going their own way must first grieve the passing of the many childish things they’ve been taught to believe. They must grieve the death of their and society’s delusions. Rage is part of the grieving process and so rage must be part of the MGTOW process.

It’s when you become stuck in that rage, when you fail to move on, that the problems begin.

We’ve too many brothers who have turned their rage into a fetish or talisman. It’s become something they covet and will not willingly part with. It’s become something they burnish every day and sleep with under their pillows. In surrendering to their hate, they’ve simply traded one delusion for another.

Rage if you must. Rage because you must. Don’t forget, however, that such rage is only the beginning.

Do not date. Do not impregnate. Do not co-habitate. Above all, do not marry. Reclaim and never again surrender your personal sovereignty.

[Anonymous 54]

Great post OlD Bill!

[BrainPilotParticipant 7640]

It is fair to say that women are imperfect beings. I can accept that easily enough. This generally doesn’t generate strong feelings either way.

But I live in a social system that seems designed to encourage the worst behaviors of women. It publicly celebrates some of their worst behaviors. I live in a legal system that has designed a code of laws which maximizes the damage done to me by those imperfections in women’s personalities if I choose to associate too closely with them, or trust them, or commit to them. Superimposed on this is a culture that extends to them near blanket social and legal immunity from almost any consequences of their worst behaviors.

I suppose I think of them much like fireworks. They can be beautiful and entertaining at a distance, and they get much attention for this… including my attention as a younger man. But like fireworks, they can be very dangerous up close. And so as I’ve gotten older and wiser, I’ve learned to keep a safe distance and enjoy what can be enjoyed of them from this safe distance.

While hate is not the right word for either fireworks, or women… knowing the risks as I do, I no longer wish to play with either of them up close.

Look, it's not my fault that tornado dropped a house on your sister. Now get back on your broom and get your ass out of here... and take your monkeys with you

[Eric LauderParticipant 12043]

Nomad82 wrote:

Happy Friday to the 9 to 5 crew, and good day to all.

I have an honest question for anyone who cares to answer. I see that there is unlimited wymen bashing at all times. However is your MGTOW drive based on hate/dislike for wymen, or the law/court/system?

IMO, if the system wasn’t completely f~~~ed, wymen would not have the ability to destroy lives and rob helpless men blind multiple times a day. They just simply take advantage of it.

FYI I am monk going on two years, and my life is way better this way.

No, I am not sticking up for wymen whatsoever, just curious as to the general motivation of everyone. Perhaps looking to learn a thing or two.

My problem is with laws and gynocentric attitudes of society.
There are ugly features within female nature, just like there are ugly features in our nature: the problem in our society is that it tends to promote and even to give prizes even to the ugly features of female nature, while trying criminalizing even some male features that are neutral, all that while totally disregarding fairness, logic and the common good – a good example being the laws about sex work spreading in Europe: the sex worker is allowed to sell sexual services while the customer is criminalized while buying it. Fairness and logic would criminalize both or allow both, the very fact that this law exist prove that there’s institutionalized misandry and the state is going to officially favor women and to happily screw men. Many similar examples could be made.
I’m monk since late August or early September 2016, I think that our actual society is mostly designed to exploit male heterosexual desire: therefore they can go to f~~~ themselves for what I care, my dick isn’t meant to make society working and sustaining itself, my dick is just only for me and me only.

SUPREME LEADER KIM JONG-UN'S FASHION STYLIST - if you want a new look or if you're a very beautiful trans you can call me, phone number +85079255312 / mobile 01921421211. The worth of a man isn't the usefulness that women get from him. Avoiding living with a woman, a man isn't rejecting a lot of sex: he's rejecting sexual starvation. MGTOW IS TACKLING DOMESTIC VIOLENCE IN COMPLIANCE WITH CONVENTION OF ISTANBUL: http://www.coe.int/en/web/conventions/full-list/-/conventions/rms/090000168008482e --- Article 4, Section 4 "Special measures that are necessary to prevent and protect women from gender-based violence shall not be considered discrimination under the terms of this Convention". WHAT I LEARNT FROM A GENDER STUDIES CLASS IN LUND, SWEDEN: every time feminists accuses men of doing something, odds are likely either them or persons associated with them are doing the exact same thing but a lot worse. WHO I'M RIGHT NOW https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1okpAj7Fhw Basically my former life have been a conflict between this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yz_RQVkvke4 and this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFIMeyTK-sU That's, more or less, all about me.

[KaidoParticipant 2395]

I used to love them. Then I hated them. Now I don’t care for them

What people call "love" is just a chemical reaction that compels animals to breed. It hits hard, then it slowly fades, leaving you stranded in a failing marriage. Your parents are gonna do it. Break the cycle. Rise above. Focus on science.

[It’sallbsParticipant]

OldBill wrote:

Nomad82 wrote:

I see that there is unlimited wymen bashing at all times.

The word is spelled WOMYN. If you’re going to satirize feminist phrases and words, start by spelling them correctly.

However is your MGTOW drive based on hate/dislike for wymen, or the law/court/system?

For myself, the answer is that no hatred of women is involved. For too many others here, the answer is obvious.

Hating requires caring. I no longer care about women enough to hate them. I no longer care enough about women to even pity them.

Women are what they are. I will no more rail against their nature than I would rail against any other part of nature. Hating women is akin to hating gravity or the curve of binding energy. You can’t “hate” a fact of nature. All you can do is accept that fact and act accordingly.

MGTOW is both a journey of self discovery and a process of self improvement. Both require the other, both act synergy with the other, and both require the development of some modicum of personal understanding. Working to set aside the feeling of rage and the hate which fuels is an important part of the journey and the process.

Rage and hate do play a role early in the process because MGTOW requires grieving. Men going their own way must first grieve the passing of the many childish things they’ve been taught to believe. They must grieve the death of their and society’s delusions. Rage is part of the grieving process and so rage must be part of the MGTOW process.

It’s when you become stuck in that rage, when you fail to move on, that the problems begin.

We’ve too many brothers who have turned their rage into a fetish or talisman. It’s become something they covet and will not willingly part with. It’s become something they burnish every day and sleep with under their pillows. In surrendering to their hate, they’ve simply traded one delusion for another.

Rage if you must. Rage because you must. Don’t forget, however, that such rage is only the beginning.

I agree with all of that however there are people on here saying they like them?

When you know the true reality the best option is to avoid them -no point hating but like them -no.

The people on this thread who say they like them and claim it’sallbs has red pill rage (do me a favour I was born NFG) were hoping to get validation from others on here to justify to themselves why they are “freinds with women”.

To those people:
, these women you say you like and are friends with would at the drop of a hat (if it benefitted them or they felt like it for amusement)
would do to you what was done to may or matrix or all those who have lost jobs on fake charges etc etc

AWALT-but you still like women -have a word mate, have a word
I do not like anything that can put an innocent man in prison and poison the kids against him because she felt like it.

That’s how they are so I have nothing to do with them -tat isn’t red pill rage it’s common sense.

Hate does you damage if it consumes you and eats you up and is all you think about.

DO I like women no so I have nothing to with them and get on with more important tings like drinking 17 pints of beer a day and 32 bags of crisps.

Simple.

http://www.leavemeansleave.eu

[It’sallbsParticipant]

Anonymous wrote:

Just saying I dont dislike her.

I have no reason to.

Bitching
Slaggin others off behind her back
lazy
money grabbing
etc,etc, etc

AWALT

That’s your reason to dislike.

http://www.leavemeansleave.eu

[Anonymous 54]

It’sallbs wrote:

Old Heyoka wrote:

Just saying I dont dislike her.

I have no reason to.

Bitching
Slaggin others off behind her back
lazy
money grabbing
etc,etc, etc

AWALT

That’s your reason to dislike.

Alright, alright, alright..

I HATE the f~~~ing C~~~! Hahahha

[Anonymous 2]

I don’t hate anybody. That’s too much work, and I don’t have the time or energy to waste. I simply don’t see the point in bothering with women, when the game is completely rigged in their favor. Granted, I am very tired of hearing women bitch about how they are perpetual victims, all while the system is entirely rigged in their favor. It’s like listening to some millionaire’s daughter whine about how difficult her life is. But that doesn’t mean that I hate them. For the most part, I just want to be left the f~~~ alone. I don’t want to listen to people bitch about how I’m not living my life as society expects me to. It’s just the typical double standard of “If a woman has no desire to marry, then that’s female empowerment, because she has a right to live her life however she chooses, but if a man has no desire to marry, then he’s running from responsibility and has Peter Pan Syndrome.” They can f~~~ off with that bulls~~~.

[Anonymous 54]

I cant win..jah

Im not suppose to hate her.

Im not suppose to liker her.

So I said I dont dislike her.
Thats no good either…

WTF. HAHAHHAH

[Anonymous 54]

I dislike her?
Is that what Im supposed to say?

[GnosticParticipant 2491]

Anonymous wrote:

I dislike her?
Is that what Im supposed to say?

Maybe stop looking for other people validation and analyses what works best for you?

People advice based on their experience, environment, upbringing. They may or may not fit your needs. Follow what advice you think is good, you cannot please everybody.

There is no magic in MGTOW, just recognition of the truth and logical decision how to avoid dangers. The red pill is but the truth, it is no magical potion. Do not think in this modern world men have no longer have natural enemies, men are prey to women and government.

[Greg HondaParticipant 6406]

I’m Attracted to them. I find them desirable when they haven’t got a s~~~ty attitude. I have met a few in my life whom I actually respect for various reasons. I have had good fun and banter with some till we are both in fits of giggles with tears rolling down our faces.
So I can find them desirable and enjoy the company of the chilled out ones. However, would I trust one not to destroy my life if she got bored? Would I risk losing everything I’ve worked for and am too old to replace if I cohabitated with one for just six months?
Do I actually trust them to be honourable honest, loyal and dependable if some other hotter richer guy comes along?
Sorry, but I don’t. I spend a lot of time with women in various capacities and we usually get along fine,but I ain’t taking one on now.
What on earth would I do that for?

It's Time to get Wise

[Anonymous 42]

Greg Honda wrote:

What on earth would I do that for?

To please Satan? Present yourself as a living sacrifice? Self mutilation? I can think of a million irrational explanations, but not one good reason based in logic and understanding!

[IRuleMeParticipant]

Gnostic wrote:

Old Heyoka wrote:

I dislike her?
Is that what Im supposed to say?

Maybe stop looking for other people validation and analyses what works best for you?

People advice based on their experience, environment, upbringing. They may or may not fit your needs. Follow what advice you think is good, you cannot please everybody.

The more important question is, why would someone, esp on here, try to seek the validation of others? We’re not a hive, and group think, or group approval isn’t indicative of being MGTOW.

[Nomad82Participant 612]

The word is spelled WOMYN. If you’re going to satirize feminist phrases and words, start by spelling them correctly.

Old Bill, thank you for the info. I was not aware but now I know better.

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