Honest question – Not a debate

[Nomad82Participant 612]

Happy Friday to the 9 to 5 crew, and good day to all.

I have an honest question for anyone who cares to answer. I see that there is unlimited wymen bashing at all times. However is your MGTOW drive based on hate/dislike for wymen, or the law/court/system?

IMO, if the system wasn’t completely f~~~ed, wymen would not have the ability to destroy lives and rob helpless men blind multiple times a day. They just simply take advantage of it.

FYI I am monk going on two years, and my life is way better this way.

No, I am not sticking up for wymen whatsoever, just curious as to the general motivation of everyone. Perhaps looking to learn a thing or two.

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[BoBParticipant 823]

For me, I don’t hate women. I despise both the general drama and the way the system penalizes men. I also intensely dislike the feminist/SJW culture. As a great man once said, “Culture is upstream from politics.” Unfortunately, someone crapped in the river upstream and we’re all sick with dysentery downstream.

I’m at my best among men, but occasionally enjoy the company of women (though less and less).

Hate is a powerful word. I reserve my hate for actual evil, whether individual or systemic.

[AwakenedParticipant 35201]

Nomad82 wrote:

is your MGTOW drive based on hate/dislike for wymen, or the law/court/system?

I’m actually Grateful that my eyes have been opened, and I could see that I am Only viewed as a mere Utility Item. Women can only “love” you in THEIR context of what you are Currently Doing/Providing, and what they THINK that YOU CAN PROVIDE into the Future.

It sure make Claiming YOUR LIFE for YOURSELF the No-Brainer option on the table.

Of course, I have nothing but disdain for the current Legal System as ANY Sane Man would.

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[Anonymous 3]

I am not against the system, neither women, I strive to indifferent to both, because both are harmful to my peace and comfort.

And I emphasize the “strive” part, because all of this is actually counter-intuitive to our nature.

So, there is a need to reaffirm this red pill information, less we fall back to blue pill traps (even more than we already had).

[Nomad82Participant 612]

Anonymous wrote:

I am not against the system, neither women, I strive to indifferent to both, because both are harmful to my peace and comfort.

Also me. Well spoken.

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[SamsquanchParticipant 4226]

I simply got tired of looking. Spending dumb amounts of money on them, spending time going out in the cold to meet them, to try and strike up some kind of connection, only to see them more interested about what is on a 5X2 inch screen. I hated them for a while, but that is past me now. Coming up on 2 years of Monk myself here in April.

Confusion over the whole dynamic of the male/female relationship is what drove me to find this site. It was like being in the Twilight Zone. Everyone around me telling me things about women, painting them in a positive light, yet when I was around them, I saw the opposite. I’ve met girls from all different races and backgrounds, good families, broken families, only child, multiple siblings, they all ended up being the same.

I knew the system was f~~~ed but I didn’t know the extent of it until I started reading some stories on here about the divorce system here in the US. My gut always told me something wasn’t right, yet people around me wanted me to ignore my instincts when it came to women. Like people want you to use logic and your instincts in every aspect of life, then when it comes to women, that all goes out the window. That is nuts to me.

After pulling my head out of the pussy clouds I’ve realized that I do not need them for anything. That is what keeps the drive going everyday.

[DocParticipant]

I don’t dislike women.
I dislike particular sides to female character.

I dislike what society has allowed them to become.

I look for evidence to determine what I think and I try to be as careful as possible so to reduce my bias.

But truth seems to be that we are seeing the worst of the female nature in modern western society.

It’s a depressing picture.

The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape, finding oneself in the ranks of the insane. Marcus Aurelius

[RomulusParticipant 4667]

I think its a good question. I have a few long term females friends. I have three sisters. I have two daughters. My issue is mostly with the current social structure, legal system, so on. Kept within certain understood boundaries, I can have a friendship with a woman.

I’m full monk 8 months now.

That being said, it is a bit more nuanced. There is a nature to women that seems to provide them with the understanding that they should……..and that its ok to………. extract as much as they can from men based on the fact they we men desire them. That part has nothing to do with current social memes, I believe its female nature.

Left alone, my thinking is men and women would always tussle over the give and take of male / female relationships, but some sort of understanding emerges that sort of suits both sides.

What nuclearized it was government getting involved and so mightily tipping the scales socially and legally to promote women, and at the expense of men.

And when they decided to criminalize normal male sexual behavior.

What started out as small gestures to balance out the power balance between the genders became an all out assault on men, (male toxicity, mansplaning, regret being rape) and the laws perverted to give unfair advantage to anyone that has a vagina.

So, what tuned the corner for me, besides my own personal experiences with dating and 2 marriages, is that I never saw women ever object, question or evaluate any of this unfairness. They seems to relish it and push for more and only object if they think the backlash is going to be worse then the advantage they were gaining by pummeling men.

So, at some point I realized, women are at war with me because I’m male. So, when you are attached by the enemy, one reaction is to sit around and wonder why they did that. Or you can realized you are under attack and engage yourself in the battle.

How can a woman be expected to be happy with a man who insists on treating her as if she were a perfectly normal human being.

[MeisterParticipant 2093]

Nomad82 wrote:

Happy Friday to the 9 to 5 crew, and good day to all.

I have an honest question for anyone who cares to answer. I see that there is unlimited wymen bashing at all times. However is your MGTOW drive based on hate/dislike for wymen, or the law/court/system?

Neither.
I’ve been monk for 13 years because romantic relationships do not pass the cost benefit analysis. (this is the actual definition of mgtow btw!)

I’ve had relationships before I went monk and none of the women I was with ever wronged me in any severe way. I also did not let them take advantage of me.

Doc wrote:

I don’t dislike women.
I dislike particular sides to female character.

I dislike what society has allowed them to become.

I look for evidence to determine what I think and I try to be as careful as possible so to reduce my bias.

But truth seems to be that we are seeing the worst of the female nature in modern western society.

It’s a depressing picture.

This is very true.

Monk

[TaxGuyParticipant]

I don’t hate women, but I’m just done with the game. At 53 years old, about the only way I would meet women would be online. In order to do that, I would have to:

1. Go take some pictures of myself, or have a friend take them, of me posing out doing stuff I would rather just be doing.
2. Make an online profile, where I would have to try to “sell myself” to the opposite sex. Do I say I like candlelight dinners or walks on the beach?
3. Look through a bunch of women’s profiles, decide if they appear attractive both mentally and physically.
4. Send a wink or a like or whatever the f~~~ you do.
5. Wait and see if I meet up to her standards (FYI, I probably don’t, because her standards are unreasonable).
6. Get a response!! OH, lucky me!
7. Send a few messages back and forth.
8. Get a phone number.
9. Have a phone conversation. She SEEMS ok, what the hell.
10. Arrange a date.
11. Meet. Realize she looks 15 years older and 30 lbs heavier than her picture.
12. Realize how many things she lied about in her profile.
13. Lie and tell her it was really nice meeting her.
14. Rinse and repeat.

Now, maybe if you go through 3-14 enough times you meet someone that you want to spend a little more time with. Six months maybe. And then the crazy comes out. Or, if everything goes PERFECTLY, I can now be her retirement plan because she hasn’t saved a f~~~ing dime in 30 of working. Back to square one.

The odds of finding a unicorn on an online dating site approach zero. I won’t say there isn’t ONE out there, but my odds of finding her and meeting her are statistically equivalent to zero. I can think of about 1,000 things that sound like more fun, and about 10,000 things that sound more productive.

It sounds similar to masturbating with a cheese grater: I little funny at first, but very quickly becoming quite painful.

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[Ranger OneParticipant 16836]

Women and the current legal/political system are co-dependents and that co-dependency has resulted in abuse towards men. I don’t hate them, because I don’t feel anything anymore.

It would be unwise to assault me too forcefully, I would fight back with savagery not restricted by empathy, since I don’t feel anything.

I’m not sure when we turned the corner exactly, but at some point, we have ceased being citizens and are now only subjects. Bread and circuses (panem et circus) are necessary when you are subjects, to keep you distracted, because citizens don’t rebel — subjects do.

All my life I've had doubts about who I am, where I belonged. Now I'm like the arrow that springs from the bow. No hesitation, no doubts. The path is clear. And what are you? Alive. Everything else is negotiable. Women have rights; men have responsibilities; MGTOW have freedom. Marriage is for chumps. If someone stands in the way of true justice, you simply walk up behind them and stab them in the heart-R'as al Ghul.

[Nomad82Participant 612]

Romulus wrote:

What nuclearized it was government getting involved and so mightily tipping the scales socially and legally to promote women, and at the expense of men.

100%

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[ChristopherParticipant 2478]

I think one of the useful functions of this site is that it enables men to vent their anger if they wish, which is better than having any anger pent up inside.

My regard for women is based on experience and observations of women in general. A mother who ruined my fathers life and caused pain and destruction in my own; and in particular I had a very bad relationship experience with a narc woman. For me it is a recognition that dis-associating myself from modern women is a good thing – I appreciate how the alien robot feels in the video skit.

Imo focusing on being yourself is the way..

I was MGTOW monk for 3 years but I messed it up/fell off the wagon badly. Im in my forties and I understand I have still not fully realised my life as a MAN. Association with modern women is not helpful in this regard. A sense of learning and development as a man (and just being myself) is what is important to me now. I am going through some health issues at the moment – but I hope I will get through it and live a new chapter in life as a MGTOW.

Feminism was funded by bankers/politicians to create more taxpayers. MGTOW IS FREEDOM https://archive.org/details/mgtowisfreedomblurayready

[Remove me!Participant]

I don’t hate women at all. Problem is, the bad ones are very good at hiding crazy, so it is almost impossible to distinguish the good ones from the bad ones.

Yes the court system is slanted toward them, but even a gay man shouldn’t get married. Marriage is a crazy contract that can destroy you if your partner just suddenly goes crazy one day. It is not a very good idea.

I personally think that there are a lot of great women out there, I even know a few. But the bad ones are in there too, and they act and look like the good ones, until you put a ring on that finger.

This is why I love FB and selfies. It outs the crazies online in front of everyone without them knowing it. But that is the dumb ones. The smart ones look like unicorns.

Like a bird on the wire, like a drunk midnight choir, I have tried in my way to be free.

[narwhalParticipant]

I don’t hate women. I don’t trust them fully. In some ways, I feel bad for them as they are pushed to be something that they were never intended to be. Men and women both need controls on their behavior, for their own good and good of society.

If for example, if it was no longer illegal for a man to murder someone else, then it would be all out violence on the streets. We need control over that behavior. We need severe consequences for that action.

The same goes for women. Then need control over the worse part of their natural nature. And that control is absent.

So that means it’s a problem of law, right? Yes and no. Yes, laws can be created to control women with their destructive behavior, the same way we have done for men and people in general. However, men have voted and acted to restrict their behavior. Not only that, but they have voted and acted for the benefit of women and children, not just themselves. Women don’t do that, they never have. The vote and act to restrict men’s behavior. They act to benefit themselves and children. When have they ever looked out for the interests of men? It’s not in their nature to do so.

So now that woman have as much say as men do, how are things going to change. Even if laws change, say women no longer get the kids by default….how long will it last before they start trying to get it back again?

The reality is that men led the world the vast majority of history for a reason.

Ok. Then do it.

[Anonymous 18]

There are layers to your question

Nomad82 wrote:

is your MGTOW drive based on hate/dislike for wymen, or the law/court/system?

There is fraud: Blue pillers believe in lies
There is damage: Divorce court punishes the man for exercising his desire for companionship and his ability to love a woman. To further the damage, she benefits financially, kids, societal comfort narratives of her being victim etc
There is loss of potential: A man isn’t designed for nesting. The bait of early days of relationship/monogamy for men were to dismantle their natural tendency to chase women and have sex. In order to abandon such tendency for the male, he was given a wife who was supposed to be the source (and only one at that) for his sexual gratification. Now women give their sexual best to men other than the sucker husband, and bait the unsuspecting male on this premise, while completely exonerating herself from holding accountable. Cue: married women cheat. A lot.

MGTOW is not a final answer. It is merely GPS directions for a man to escape the plantation.

Freedom from.

The freedom to shall come from him. Unfortunately, most men don’t have the internal drive to create something for themselves. Instead they exchange freedom for some crumbs of affection/validation.

[Nomad82Participant 612]

I don’t believe there will ever be equality. Equality only exists in mathematics.

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[Anonymous 38]

I don’t hate women per se. It just so happens they mostly represent everything I find abhorrent.

Lack of justice, lack of compassion, cruel, unloving, unfair, malevolent, Machiavellian, cunning, disloyal, fickle, dishonourable.

Unlike some MGTOW I believe there are good women out there – I have met a few in my life. Which is not to say NAWALT, but some women don’t capitalise on their capacity for these behaviours.

With each day I care less and less about the above, in the sense that it bothers me less. But I will still mock and trash them for fun.

[DocParticipant]

TaxGuy wrote:

I don’t hate women, but I’m just done with the game. At 53 years old, about the only way I would meet women would be online. In order to do that, I would have to:

1. Go take some pictures of myself, or have a friend take them, of me posing out doing stuff I would rather just be doing.
2. Make an online profile, where I would have to try to “sell myself” to the opposite sex. Do I say I like candlelight dinners or walks on the beach?
3. Look through a bunch of women’s profiles, decide if they appear attractive both mentally and physically.
4. Send a wink or a like or whatever the f~~~ you do.
5. Wait and see if I meet up to her standards (FYI, I probably don’t, because her standards are unreasonable).
6. Get a response!! OH, lucky me!
7. Send a few messages back and forth.
8. Get a phone number.
9. Have a phone conversation. She SEEMS ok, what the hell.
10. Arrange a date.
11. Meet. Realize she looks 15 years older and 30 lbs heavier than her picture.
12. Realize how many things she lied about in her profile.
13. Lie and tell her it was really nice meeting her.
14. Rinse and repeat.

Now, maybe if you go through 3-14 enough times you meet someone that you want to spend a little more time with. Six months maybe. And then the crazy comes out. Or, if everything goes PERFECTLY, I can now be her retirement plan because she hasn’t saved a f~~~ing dime in 30 of working. Back to square one.

The odds of finding a unicorn on an online dating site approach zero. I won’t say there isn’t ONE out there, but my odds of finding her and meeting her are statistically equivalent to zero. I can think of about 1,000 things that sound like more fun, and about 10,000 things that sound more productive.

It sounds similar to masturbating with a cheese grater: I little funny at first, but very quickly becoming quite painful.

Your points are so correct.
The only point missing is the one about the women’s self entitled belief that she can effective get you to go on a date under false pretences – the out of date pics on her profile for a start. As you correctly point out she is usually a lot older, fatter and uglier in real life.
But she still expects you to think she’s attractive.

I never forget that dating sites are literally scraping the barrel.

The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape, finding oneself in the ranks of the insane. Marcus Aurelius

[foghornleghornParticipant 3449]

Are there guys who hate women who are MGTOW? Absolutely.

Are there guys who don’t hate women who are MGTOW? Absolutely.

MGTOW as a philosophy does not walk hand in hand with hatred of women. That’s like claiming that because there a are racists who are vegan that all vegans are racists. The problem of course is that people like to generalize with a broad brush without understanding that someone who proclaims to be MGTOW and hates women more than likely hated women long before he heard of the MGTOW philosophy.

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