.. scientists reverse backwards in time

[iMickey503Participant 12465]

Hermit wrote:

I do appreciate the effort, but sorry to say that half of your pictures and gifs are not viewable for me and only appear as squares with x’s in them, so unfortunately a lot of your time was wasted.

Part 1 of three. This will make this clear.

I think I understand the confusion.

Hermit, is thinking time travel. That is possible.

What this article is talking about (what Narwhal and Nerd Tunneler are talking about I think) is MOVING TIME BACKWARDS. Not travel BUT TIME.

A worm whole for example or a space conduit can theoretically be in 2 places in time at either end.

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You can travel back in time and not Break any laws per say. Time again is still moving forward. You are just an OBJECT or BOX moving along on a highway. The Tardis for example can go backwards in time and forwards in time since from the Doctor Who’s point of view, the Tardis has already Been there, and that time has already moved forward past that point. Hence why they are called the “TIME LORDS”

In fact, you don’t have to build a worm hole or a conduit if you had enough energy to fold space. If you can fold space, you can create your own wormhole, make a Compound horn, speed up time through that just how air behaves when you restrict it. The air mass moves faster through the restriction. Just like in a loudspeaker. You are still loading both sides of the port with the universe, so you are not breaking any laws. Just bending them.

So as long as time has already happened, then you can go from that time to the future from YOUR perspective. The question is, if you go forward from that point, have you traveled in time? Or have you just went distance, and now have to catch up with the earth from where you are? I can’t answer that.

Also, folding space does not really require you being out of our dimension or time. So, the only real practical limit is power. And how to focus that power in order to FOLD Space, constrict a compound horn through space, and then travel through that “Tunnel” and end up on the other side in the future, but you are still at the same rate of time.

Also if you travel to the future, it just becomes your present. SO no problems there so far as I can tell. Still not sure about the meeting your old you in the past. Technically, you are not of the same particles or space, so I don’t think it would matter. Again, you are just traveling. Not violating anything as far as I can tell. I do see a paradox. But I’m not sure what to make of it.

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[HermitParticipant]

iMickey503 wrote:

Err.. Hmm. How would faust do it…
You can go back in time Hermit. That easy since it has already happened. Since we don’t need to guess where the earth was, you CAN easily go BACK in time from the present. That’s fine. The only way to do this is via a wormhole. This works just like a compound port or horn. >-<
As time restricts through the narrow part, it speeds up. then slows down at the other end returning back to normal space time. It would be like folding space. The earth would still be traveling in its same course, it’s just that the wormhole is like a short cut between 2 time periods.
You can’t really go into the future if the future has not happened yet. But you can predict the future in some ways.
Now, I’m really pushing the limits of my brain here, but it seems we are all just slightly off. See, I am talking about Moving back time. Just like the article suggested. Doing that means moving TIME itself. That’s not really feasible. I’ll talk about that more in a bit.

Now, just when and where did someone go back in time? You say it already happened. If it was easy we’d all be doing it. Since wormholes only exist in theory, it’s impossible to say what you could do with them, but so far I’ve not heard anything about using them for time travel, but for long distance travel only.

You say you can’t go into the future since it has not yet occurred and I agree with you, but you can’t travel into the past either since it is no longer there. The only thing real is now. We can only travel with time, not through it. Neither can you “move time”. If you could, then you should also be able to travel through time since moving time would mean either speeding it up or slowing it down.

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[HermitParticipant]

iMickey503 wrote:

Hermit wrote:

I do appreciate the effort, but sorry to say that half of your pictures and gifs are not viewable for me and only appear as squares with x’s in them, so unfortunately a lot of your time was wasted.

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LOL…..”Tandy computer……” My computer is fine, but since it’s my work computer, the corporate protocols may be blocking some of your images.

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[iMickey503Participant 12465]

Look above. You just witnessed a time paradox.

Look at what you quoted. It no longer exists. But there it is. Where did it come from? DUDE, that’s a TIME distortion!

I got to get some stuff done, but I will provide evidence that time travel (or an irregularity) that has happened on close to earth and has been tested.

But I got to find my sources. And I need to clean up my code. And will post the others. But suffice it to say, we do have Micro Time fissures and places that time does not tick at the same rate on earth here. Or in space.

I can’t really tell you where on earth right now there are places that don’t match time sync, but it’s real. I got to fix a router/AP/Network issues and should get back to this soon. Just remember to keep your mind open Hermit. John Doe was trying to talk about this, but the only person that gets him is Faust. Maybe Wizard , Nerd Tunneler or Narwhal. And I think Narwhal gave up on the dude. Its just that if you ask him a question, I don’t think he spoke English like we speak English. Or maybe he was just taught weird. I don’t know.

What I think he was trying to point out about time was that the universe is neither flat nor is it a sphere or shape per say. It like a shape that might be in 4 dimensions. If that is the case, then jumping between points in space and time seem easy.

Now imagine if the really small stuff, is actually the big stuff. So Particles are the BIG things, but the large objects are the small things. Really, anything is Plausible. But let me try to focus on the main points like I was earlier to get them out of the way just to clarify time moving backwards vs time traveling.

I’m still pretty skeptical that they made those atoms stop in time, but with Quantum Physics, it’s almost like Women logic. Most of it makes no sense on the surface.

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[iMickey503Participant 12465]

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What the Linked article is talking about is Physically making a clock go BACKWARDS. That would require all the atoms particles and quarks and all matter that is there to be transported in time or is known to be there to go back in time at least in this dimension with the occupant in the encapsulated bubble. That means all of the cells have to also go back the same amount of time. That means hair growth, Brain cells that died off etc.

So, let’s say you have a watch. If you time traveled, this watch would still be going forward as it does not violate time. It would still be going forward, and at the same rate. Like the clock bellow.

What the article is talking about doing is this: stopping time, making it go BACKWARDS. Not Traveling. But Physically altering the course of the universe to go BACKWARDS. (as far as I can understand)

So when you said you wanted to go 40 years back in time YOU CAN. You are not violating any laws. TIME is still moving forwards. The Universe is still going Forwards. Its just that YOU ended up back in time. That is possible since all you are doing is Moving matter from one time frame to another place or location in time.

So YOU can still travel back in time. Since you are not CHANGING or Altering TIME itself. You are just moving up and down the elevator so to speak to the different floors that are different points in time.

Think of TIME travel as TIME ZONEs on earth. This is POSSIBLE.

But what the article is talking about is essentially putting back a Glass cup you broke back together in the same way it was BEFORE it was broken.

You can go back in time and stop it from breaking. But you violate the “Laws” if you turn BACK TIME. if that makes sense now.

So I am going to asume, you know how to set timing on a car with a distributor. You can advance and retard the timing of the engine spark.

That is time travel. Since the engine is still rotating one way, or forward in time.

What is NOT possible is making the engine actually go BACKWARDS be reversing the combustion process. So instead injection of the fuel, and boom. Then engine is running in reverse rotation and making power in the reverse direction. So, the Muffler is not intaking the spent fuel going backwards through the catalytic convertor, where it then reverse the process of burning away the hydrocarbons, and put them back in the spent gases, then those spent gases enter the exhaust valve, then gets into the piston to be uncompressed and gets smaller, then goes back into a fuel mixture, that it once was, then gets sucked into the fuel injector and then the fuel pump pumps it all back to the tank.

You can’t reverse the process like that. So that is REVERSING TIME.

FAUST Might say: Reversing the OTTO cycle is impossible.

and indian guy would say:

Sohan Purohit, MS Thermal Engg @ Indian Institute of Technology Madras
Answered Nov 6, 2015

” Carnot cycle is only cycle in thermodynamics which is complete reversible cycle (Means its processes are internally as well as externally reversible).

Whereas in Ideal Otto cycle processes are Only internally reversible as there is no any internal entropy generation due to friction and reversible adiabatic compression and expansion.

But there is external irreversibility due to heat addition and rejection at finite temperature difference, So entropy of universe ( Sum of entropy change in system and surrounding) increases during process of heat addition and heat rejection.
So we can conclude that Otto Cycle is Internally reversible but externally irreversible….so finally it is irreversible cycle… ”

Layman’s terms, Once you die, and your start rotting, you can’t reverse the process. That energy is spent. And it is not reversible.

That’s why they keep talking about entropy. And that came about when they started talking about the Stirling engine.

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[iMickey503Participant 12465]

Another way to put it is that you can’t reverse the ageing process.

Even as you travel back in time, you are still going to be the age you are. E.G your cells will still grow age and die and reproduce as they have been till you stop functioning as living organism.

You can Make yourself look younger, but you are still the same age. Nothing has been turned back in time. But you can change the outer appearance of things.

THis can be as simple as washing a dirty car. So just think about it that way. It will seem like you went back in time, but really its just an illusion. THis is actually called a time echo. Where the car looks like it did in the past.

Remember the movie Benjamin Button? Well, he ALSO did not go back in time either. His cells just were made to replicate backwards in a very cinematic way. This is possible, though Very unlikely to actually GROW into a small baby, then grow up in height, then reach your peak , then grow smaller over the years back into a baby and die as a young newborn or premature baby as your organs go back to just cells. However, TIME has not been violated. It’s still moving forward.

The best movie I can ask you to watch that will make you understand this is Donnie Darko. Yea, I know. Not your thing but whatever.
In the movie, Donnie just misses being killed by a jet engine that came from nowhere. The plane that the engine came from and its serial number is still registered to a plane that is still in service in the present date and time.

What happened was a wormhole. They call it portals.

In the movie, he can see what Gravel pit describes as a path in time that everyone is subjected too. You can chose to follow it, (Gods path) or ignore it. (Going your own way, or deviating from gods plan) they look like this in the movie.

Well, in the movie, the dude runs Donnie Darko’s girlfriend over. She is dead.

Then he kills His sisters boyfriend. (Frank)

So he carries her body back to the house.

And he drives where the wormhole is with her. And awaits his fate.

He somehow ends up back in his room, and he knows what is about to happen. And he starts laughing.

Why?

So he lays down, and awaits his fate.

And here he is.

In the end, everyone is alive. No one is dead. But they all seem to have some kind of echo form the new timeline. And I’m not sure how it all fixes itself, I never really got that far. But… THIS is completely possible since it does not violate any rules per say.

You can travel in time.

But TIME can't go IN REVERSE.

Bascily, the energy spent from lights gas on fire, can’t go back to gas again.

You can say that Hydrogen can go back to Hydrogen once it explodes:

WATER->Gas->Explosion->Water then repeat. But you are STILL going forwards. Not backwards in the process even though the process is reversible.

I know it took me a few hours to get it myself. But it makes sense once you think about how light works.

Light or Photons don’t really stop being photons from what I hear. They don’t go out. Once a photon is made, it just keeps going until it hits something.

So even if I throw a Boomerang, it will come back to me, but it’s still going forward in motion after coming back to me.

Again, You can go back and forth in time.

But if you MOVE TIME, You are actually moving EVERYTHING in that time bubble with you. That time bubble that you are in is OUTSIDE of time now. What that means is that if you go BACK 7 days, you and that time bubble end up where that location in time and space was and matter at that time was 7 days ago, or 40 years ago.

Now, your spaceship or whatever it is has actually 3 time rifts. One outside that lets you stay in that space time of 7 or 40 years ago. And then you have the time bubble inside that is ensuring you yourself do not suffer memory loss etc from your spaceship now being 7 to 40 years back in time. Remember, MOVING time means moving every molecule, everything that happened back to the state it was.

So if you were 8 years old 40 years ago, You are now, 8 years old unless you are also encapsulated in a secondary time bubble. If you step outside of the spaceship you are in matter that is 7 to 4o years ago younger. So all your cells and body will go back 7 to 40 years. While still being in the same physical place you started your journey in space.

You can maneuver your spaceship to Travel to where the earth is, Land, and then see whats going on. But the second you jump out of that spaceship, You cells are going to age backwards to 7 days or 40 years back. That also means all your thoughts and memories. You may have some temporal dementia, but in fact your whole body and all its particles have reverted aged backwards in time. killing you possibly. Or at the very least, just making you non the wiser of how you got there after you exited the 2 time bubbles.

In fact, I am not sure if you would even be able to see anything since once those photons went past the first time barrier, they would age 7 days or 40 years. In fact, there is a very real possibility that once you exit the ships time field, you might die or explode. Unlike non Organic matter, its internal strctrtures does not change to much in time. You however being organic may not be so happy with every atom and particle in your body suddenly changing back to the same state it was 7 days ago. Let alone 40 years ago. And the second you go out of that 7 day time bubble, you end up right back where you started. But with no memory since you just got back in sync with time, and you just keep repeating getting into the spaceship/Time loop for eternity.

But it’s all just a theory.

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[NerdTunnelerParticipant]

Reversing time according to my understanding is not possible because of the enormous engine driving it forward. It would not simply be like stopping a fully loaded truck on a wall.

Now let me try understanding going back in time instead of reversing time. The idea that we “teleport” back in time negates the need for the spacial location. However, herein lies the conundrum. If we “teleported” back in time, we are in essence teleporting into or creating a new universe because the old universe where we came from did not stop but has chuggged along in its path. Any change we made in the past would not affect the “old” universe where we came from but affect the “created” universe we are currently residing..

Im having a headache trying to peer into the mind of God but its a good exercise on my brain cells. This is a stimulating discussion…

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iMickey503 wrote:

It would take you about 358 days before you saw earth again.

I don’t mean to nitpick but I wanted to be sure on this, you wouldn’t see Earth again because Earth won’t be back at the same point about a year later, due to the solar system moving all the time.

But otherwise a very good post!

[iMickey503Participant 12465]

Should’ve brought your Bifocals.

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iMickey503 wrote:

Gravel Pit is known to ALSO talk about this “Inevitable destiny”

yup. I love all this space s~~~ in here. I will be back when Im done reading the enormous amount of s~~~ yall posted LOL.

FREENIL FTW

[Gravel PitParticipant]

NerdTunneler wrote:

Any change we made in the past would not affect the “old” universe where we came from but affect the “created” universe we are currently residing..

Technically there is only one universe, if you could magically teleport into the past, it would change the one and only future. But going back in time is impossible. Physics doesnt allow backward travel through time because of what you already said, it would be rewinding Spacetime itself which is totally impossible and ludicrous.

[Gravel PitParticipant]

iMickey503 wrote:

Gravel pit describes as a path in time that everyone is subjected too

Yup, I like to say; “whether you believe it’s God’s Will or Gravity… same difference because we’re all subject to and part of, a one-way street called Determinism, a massive avalanche of spacetime/energy/matter that only goes one way, all the time, no exceptions.”

This makes “FREEWILL” little more than a delusion we confuse ourselves with to feed our vanity. “I” “Chose” “a red shirt instead of a blue shirt.” In reality, you were going to choose red all along. This was predictable since the big bang… its only NEW TO YOU! LOL.

But that fact that its NEW TO US with every moment is precisely why you shouldn’t worry about Freenil (apart from academic understanding of our lives), and just continue on through life bettering yourself and trying to do the next right thing. Thats all you can do silly!

The truth of Freenil doesn’t diminish the importance of living your life! If you’re religious, its important to understand that although God’s Will is already set, that you’re still a part of that plan! Your “choices” still need to be made. You are helpless to escape HIS will for your life, SO JUST ROLL WITH IT!!!

The more you try to argue for Freewill, the more it becomes impossible.

No point in arguing for any of this because either people cant understand or don’t want to! I try my damnedest to not mention it but its hard because it touches EVERYTHING we often talk about, human shame, guilt, responsibility, substance abuse, behavior, faith, philosophy etc…..

[Gravel PitParticipant]

As the Tuscans say, ‘inshallah’ translated: ‘god willing’ meaning, if god wills it, it will happen.

Or as some old Saint said, “Lord let me be an instrument of thy work, your will be done, not mine.” God’s will be done, not mine.

In my view, people of centuries past, who did not have Science to illuminate why things are the way they are… well these people already knew the underlying truth of things… We are not in control.

So if you want to call it God’s Will or Gravity or whatever…. it ain’t you, that much is certain… And trying to control things when you simply can’t…leads to insanity.

[Gravel PitParticipant]

Christian philosophers figured out over a millennium ago, that freewill was a loose end in their dogma. So they immediately set out to explain it away (with not much success, but it never mattered anyway because MOST Xtians dont understand why freenil invalidates their dogma anyway! You can’t explain to a person why their position is wrong, when they dont even understand their own position in the first plave, much less yours! LOL

[Gravel PitParticipant]

It never ceases to amaze me how many “old timers” in Alcoholics Anonymous, who supposedly have read all the literature and have decades of sobriety, yet they still don’t GET what the dogma really says. They don’t understand what Bill W. was really onto, nor what the Oxford Group was all about.

Its infuriating and laughable. They preach to newcomers and spew all the predictable AA-speak but the dots and lines never connect.

Seriously read the first 3 steps of AA:

1. We admitted we were powerless over alcohol—that our lives had become
unmanageable.

2. Came to believe that a Power greater than ourselves could restore us to
sanity.

3. Made a decision to turn our will and our lives over to the care of God as we
understood Him.

The expression, “I can’t do it, God can, I think I’ll let him” (a condensed version of the steps) is endlessly parroted and praised in AA yet none of them ever admit:

1. that ‘powerlessness’ & ‘unmanageability’ is not having freewill
2. that insanity was caused from repeatedly trying to CONTROL their drinking, which is quite uncontrollable given that we have “no choice in drinking” (quoted right from their main Text, indeed chapter 2 and 3 mention the ‘inability to control’ in as many words or not, over 2 dozen times!)
3. that their solution to not having power, manageability, control (freewill) is to instead, adopt “God’s Will” for their lives.

NO S~~~! And I can tell you, as a 5 year recovered alcoholic who regularly attends AA, it never fails to amuse me how people will talk up and down about how they’ve “done the steps” and will STILL CLAIM TO HAVE FREEWILL, which is completely contradicting to the text and the philosophical points laid out in the AA dogma.

Sorry to detract from the thread’s purpose. LOL

[SpiderHerderParticipant 3754]

Didn’t we move forward in time a week ago ? lol

Nevermind me, keep at it, I’m listening. Interesting conversation indeed.

[SandalsParticipant 4253]

We’ve already solved time travel:

[HermitParticipant]

NerdTunneler wrote:

Reversing time according to my understanding is not possible because of the enormous engine driving it forward. It would not simply be like stopping a fully loaded truck on a wall.
Now let me try understanding going back in time instead of reversing time. The idea that we “teleport” back in time negates the need for the spacial location. However, herein lies the conundrum. If we “teleported” back in time, we are in essence teleporting into or creating a new universe because the old universe where we came from did not stop but has chuggged along in its path. Any change we made in the past would not affect the “old” universe where we came from but affect the “created” universe we are currently residing..
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Time is a river you cannot reverse, speed up, or slow down. You have no choice but to go with the flow.

However, were it possible to travel through time, it would have to be a continuous line where the past, present and future all existed on this line. You would have to have a machine that could either speed up or slow down time for you and this machine to allow you to travel in one direction or the other in this time line. The only other option I can see would be to have a machine that completely removed you from the time line allowing you to pick a point to jump back in, but then where would that be? Is there some other plane of existence separate from the time line? The only one I can think of is the spiritual plane.

In this physical existence, we’re stuck in the river of time. You can’t travel back to the past because it no longer exists. You can’t travel to the future because is does not yet exist. All we have is now and the only time traveling we can do is to travel with time. You can’t reverse it. You can’t speed it up or slow it down. You can’t control it.

I don’t know what those scientists actually did, but it wasn’t what they thought.

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[Gravel PitParticipant]

Hermit wrote:

Time is a river you cannot reverse, speed up, or slow down.

Technically that is not true Hermit. While travelling Backwards in time is totally impossible, travelling forward in time is only a matter of velocity.

Time dilation. If I were to get in a Spaceship and haul ass out into space for a few years, then turn around and head straight back at that same fast speed, 6 years would have elapsed for me on my spaceship but Earth time would be 20-30 years in the future. Id of essentially traveled forward in time. Everyone I know would be decades older but I would only have aged a little.

The faster you go, the longer you live.

[HermitParticipant]

Gravel Pit wrote:

Hermit wrote:

Time is a river you cannot reverse, speed up, or slow down.

Technically that is not true Hermit. While travelling Backwards in time is totally impossible, travelling forward in time is only a matter of velocity.
Time dilation. If I were to get in a Spaceship and haul ass out into space for a few years, then turn around and head straight back at that same fast speed, 6 years would have elapsed for me on my spaceship but Earth time would be 20-30 years in the future. Id of essentially traveled forward in time. Everyone I know would be decades older but I would only have aged a little.
The faster you go, the longer you live.

I’ve read that time dilation has been proven, but only on a very miniscule scale. To make it practical, you’d have to achieve speeds much greater than we are able. I mean unimaginable speed.

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