Hello from a recovering white knight.

[CrimParticipant 31]

So I guess I’ll do my intro. Name is Jesse, 31, been a white knight for my entire life. Made excuses for all the assholes who treated me like s~~~…”oh they just had a breakup” or “they are getting over a flu” or some other dumb thing. I’ve white knighted women, family, “friends”, even strangers that I don’t know s~~~ about.

I’m doing what I can to recover from a life of utter shame and idiocy on my part. I’ve always been overly trusting of people. I use to buy my friends…buying them lunch all the damn time, helping them pay bills, you name it…I was eager to throw my hard earned money at people. Of course, when I was down on my luck, not a single soul would offer help.

I’m a f~~~ing wreck right now. Just went through a seriously horrible breakup myself. Not an excuse, but when I have brief moments of clarity and look at that relationship objectively, I can’t believe how dumb I was. She was clinically crazy, needy, completely dependent on her parents, lazy, etc…but she was the tightest, most beautiful woman I had ever been with. The sex was incredible, the chemistry was off the charts, we had a ton of common interests…you know, on paper a lot of s~~~ was perfect. Like I said, though…total basket case.

It’s led me to re-examine myself and look at how f~~~ed up I am and how I’ve treated everyone else like children for my entire life.

No more. Now I’m all about my own freedom. Physical freedom, financial freedom, emotional freedom, and eventually I hope to have time freedom.

I’m not sure if I’ll ever be able to go full MGTOW, because I’m a sucker for a great ass and old habits die hard, but at the very least I’ll not get myself entangled into romantic relations~~~s anymore.

If anybody has any advise for a new guy, struggling to find his own damn sanity…I’m all eyes.

[kizellParticipant 368]

Welcome.

The pain will pass, it always does.

Keep yourself busy as best you can.  Completely divorce yourself from her.  I would even recommend eliminating social media.

If you have a good job you like, put more hours in and work harder.  Each day that passes you get a little stronger and wiser.   Best wishes.

Don’t be ashamed of being a white knight.  I was one in my foolish days too before my heart and pride were ripped apart.

[FermatParticipant 3478]

Welcome! There is no such thing as full MGTOW. Simply don’t get married or let females drag you through long term relationships where they expect financial commitment in the end and you are going your own way. The key is NOT let women control your life in ANY way. If you need the sex and companionship short term to stay motivated and healthy, go for it. But ” lock yourself in. You are not a suck for having sexual needs. You are only a sucker if your needs make you do what SHE wants (ie move in, share accounts, take care of her kids, pay her bills, get married, etc.) We were all white knights on some level at one point, so don’t be ashamed. Be glad you’ve woken up at the prime of your life and proceed thusly. Welcome again.

I have discovered a truly remarkable list of reasons why women are not necessary for a happy life, but alas this margin is too small to contain it.

[HitmanParticipant]

hey crim..congrats ! you found freedom ! you r in the right place ! browse around and get a feel for it and i bet your gonna feel at home..we all been where u are at.. dont worry too much..give it time ..

[RoyDalParticipant]

Crim wrote:

Now I’m all about my own freedom. Physical freedom, financial freedom, emotional freedom, and eventually I hope to have time freedom.

Good going! Keep on keeping on!

Crim wrote:

I’m not sure if I’ll ever be able to go full MGTOW, because I’m a sucker for a great ass and old habits die hard, but at the very least I’ll not get myself entangled into romantic relations~~~s anymore.

I just checked my copy of Hoyle’s Official Rules of MGOTW. It makes it clear it is acceptable for a MGHOW to get laid. You’re good to go.

Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?

[StargazerParticipant 12505]

Well, first off don’t blame yourself for having been a white knight. Many of us were brought up to believe that in order to be a good man, we had to protect and serve those who were weaker than us. And of corurse the corollary to that was these people we protected and served would then look up to us and love us back in their own way.

Unfortunately it just doesn’t work like that… they weren’t teaching us to be good members of the community, loving partners and family men, they were teaching us to be proxies and draft horses. We just didn’t know any better. And instead of blaming the institutions that handed us this bogus script or the “weak and underprivileged” who benefited from our selfless and stupid behavior, we denigrated the strong and successful who got what they wanted… what WE wanted… by breaking those rules and just plucking and eating the fruit for themselves that we worshipped from afar and hoped would simply fall into our laps.

So now you know… the people who get what they want are the people who take what they want… and I’ll add that this is not always a bad thing. Females want to be taken just as surely as fruit grows to be eaten. Now you just have to reconcile the idea that you can be powerful, aggressive and successful without harming anyone or taking something that does not want to be taken. That’s the hardest part of recovering from white knightery… realizing and accepting that all the dragons you’ve been trying to slay were actually sent by the maiden to keep the weak willed and self sacrificing from ever making it to the castle while the strong and powerful men were simply handed the keys to the back gate, if you catch my drift.

[ILiveAgainParticipant]

RoyDal wrote:

I just checked my copy of Hoyle’s Official Rules of MGOTW. It makes it clear it is acceptable for a MGHOW to get laid. You’re good to go.

Wonderful ☺

 

This is the first day of an awesome fking life.

I can’t beging to tell you what amazing adventures await.

All you now have to do is go discover them.

You can pine after, feel sick and empty for another 3 days … then…

Get the fk out there and play.

You are a new man …. you make the rules.

Buy a copy of Hoyle’s Official Rules of MGOTW off RD. I know he has some spare ?

[Anonymous 42]

Crim wrote:

Of course, when I was down on my luck, not a single soul would offer help.

We walk through life with the same knife stuck in our backs, Mine’s only a scar now. Like you I had a smoking fireball hottie that tore my insides out with her insanity. A f~~~ing 100% nut job! So I know…

Your head and heart were on the right place, wrong world! I was a giving person too, help anyone, anytime, anywhere, NO MORE! People will use you the same way they wipe their feet on a doormat. Your life is worth nothing to them, they’d sell your sole for a dollar if they could.

Try giving to only people that reciprocate such RARE KINDNESS. F~~~ those that don’t! Let them beg like dogs from their own miserable making! I have no more sympathy whatsoever for those who’s only purpose in life is to exist as parasites on the kindness of others. F~~~ them, let them starve, and eventually die.

Once you wrap your head and heart around a narcissists mindset and intentions, you’ll have no problem whatsoever kicking them into their own fire.

I hate to sound so cruel but I learned it from trusting that others had concern for others, they DON’T, they’re sole-less sharks that endlessly search out food and tear off all they can before it disappears. Call me Shark Slayer!

Welcome to MGTOW; a band of brothers like no other!!!

[Canadian SportsFanParticipant 216]

Hi OP,

Congrats on realizing the error of your ways.  Let me take a moment to tell you my story.

I too was a white knight, for like 5 years.  Maybe not online, but in person for sure.  I’d bow down to females and be a really nice guy for them, do them little favours and all that.  With friends, I’d loan them money and they would never pay me back, or they would do work for me and charge me, even though I would help them on my time for free.  I once even bought a friend a $500 car when he was down on his luck (he trashed the car and decided it wasn’t worth paying me back since the car was wrecked).

Know what all this goodwill and benevolence got me?  Sweet F~~~ All.  You don’t get respect from people by being a doormat.  I didn’t get laid for 5 years!!!  I wondered why women didn’t like me, I was nice, tried to be nice to them, tried to date or do nice things.  I realized they don’t and won’t ever respect me until I respected myself.  I stopped giving a rat’s ass what they thought.  I expressed my opinions without censorship.  I stopped loaning money (I’m not your f~~~ing bank, go get a payday loan like I had to when I was down on my luck). All of a sudden I’m getting laid and women are interested. I didn’t change, my job didn’t change, my looks didn’t change. My attitude and confidence did. My dollar and my time is worth something. If I’m hanging out with you on my free time, you better be worth it.

It’s not nice guys that finish last, it’s White Knight who finish last.  You can still be a nice guy without being a pushover and a pussy. Especially with women. She just friendzoned you? Good she can f~~~ off, as she now has no value, unless you like that sort of thing (being a boyfriend with none of the sex benefits).

 

[UntamedParticipant]

Hey Crim. I can relate. Welcome and poise yourself. Time to keep your mind clear and your phone even clearer. This is a great place to get some insight on many issues that my be troubling you. Take the time to read up and start being aware of just what we, as Men, are facing.

You’re not alone. Just knowing that is a great booster!

Don't let them Blame, Shame or Tame you!
Give 'em NOTHING, not even an answer!
#GenderSegragationNow!

[CrimParticipant 31]

Thanks all! Great stories and some great advise. It’s nice to know that I’m not alone in this.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Crim wrote:

I’m not sure if I’ll ever be able to go full MGTOW, because I’m a sucker for a great ass and old habits die hard, but at the very least I’ll not get myself entangled into romantic relations~~~s anymore.

Welcome Jesse.

And PS that’s the beauty of it all. You can still enjoy as much ass as a toilet seat. Just don’t marry it. Happy you found your way here. Enjoy.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[DauntlessParticipant 403]

Hello and welcome to you, Jesse. Another veteran freed from women’s and society’s shackles. A whole life of complete freedom awaits you. You’re gonna love it. 🙂

"To live is to suffer; to survive is to find some meaning in the suffering." - Friedrich Nietzsche

[Sessna12Participant 119]

Welcome, my friend! Sounds like you have taken you life back

Sebastian

"We can no more stop him from marrying than we can stop him from making a well researched decision to poke his eyes out with a stick."
-Sidecar

[metroid75Participant 4]

Helping someone who got themselves into trouble only serves to weaken them. Help too many and you only weaken yourself…

[StargazerParticipant 12505]

metroid75 wrote:

Helping someone who got themselves into trouble only serves to weaken them. Help too many and you only weaken yourself…

Hear hear!

[metroid75Participant 4]

Thanks bro!

[cynicalhumanistParticipant 9]

Crim wrote:

It’s led me to re-examine myself and look at how f~~~ed up I am and how I’ve treated everyone else like children for my entire life.

G’day Crim, and thanks for sharing your story. Don’t be too harsh on yourself over the coming months because if you do this properly you are going to have self-realisations that will shatter your ego. But these are good things! I’m sure most men here will agree, when your emotions are raw you can be brutally honest with yourself and strip away all the bulls~~~.

And take Kandahar18’s sage advice and keep yourself busy. I was lucky that I was doing a university degree when my life fell apart otherwise I would have retreated into self pity and probably ended up in another miserable marriage.

[CrimParticipant 31]

thanks guys! Anyone have any good book recommendations for a newbie to the MGTOW world?

[Anonymous 5]

Crim wrote:

thanks guys! Anyone have any good book recommendations for a newbie to the MGTOW world?

“The Manipulated Man” by Esther Vilar and “The Anatomy Of Female Power” by Chinweizu would be the two best starters. They’re possibly the two most life changing books you’ll ever read. There’s no turning back after these reads. Unfortunately you won’t be able to get a hard copy of Chinweizu’s book, only a PDF scan online.
Warren Farrell’s “The Myth Of Male Power” gives the best account of the current situation western men are in. It also debunks feminist propaganda with the real statistics. You’ll realise just how weird things are at feminist political level when you can google (in a few hours) all of Farrell’s claims from independent sources to find they’re true. You can get the current updated version as an e-book for only $10 or so. They have the Amazon link in the “BOOK” section on the home page here.
Ayn Rand’s book “Atlas Shrugged” is mostly claimed by free market economists and liberals but it has a profound message, almost a prophesy of MGTOW.
It’s popularity has remained either constant or increasing for over 50 years now. In some respects it’s the best book about MGTOW because it explains why any person, regardless of race, religion or gender will withdraw from any system that forcefully dictates their behaviour and takes the fruit of their labours to give to others who have successfully engineered the system to do so, while giving them little or nothing in return.

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