Hailing all Star Trek MGTOWs!

[LionOnTheLooseParticipant 1315]

Captain’s log, Stardate 41203.1.

We have moved into orbit around MGTOW PRIME, a planet inhabited by a remarkable civilisation apparently made up solely of men.

They appear to live peacefully, work productively, do cool s~~~ in their spare time and have zero drama in their lives. In fact, their planet has so little drama that we might not be able to sustain a whole episode here.

We are assembling a landing party to see if this is too good to be true.

~~~

Brothers! I have noticed that more than a few guys on these forums who know their Star Trek, so I thought it would be fun to have a thread to get all the Centaurian slugs out of the woodwork.

Favourite series/movies? Favourite captains? Favourite Star Trek MGTOW moments?

I’ll start.

— WARNING: SPOILER ALERT IF YOU DON’T KNOW DEEP SPACE NINE —-

I love TOS and TNG deeply, but in some ways DS9 is I think the greatest of all, and partially because of Ben Sisko’s journey over the seven seasons. Do you remember how he struggles over whether he should marry Kasidy Yates, and how the Prophets warn him that he shouldn’t, but he does anyway? And he has this blue-pill dream of retiring to Bajor with Kasidy and building that house? For me, the final episode of DS9, when he realises he’s called to something higher than his blue-pill fantasy, that he has to Go His Own Way even if it means saying goodbye to his son, is one of the most incredible MGTOW moments in popular culture.

Also, on a lighter note, can we all please agree just how annoying Janeway was?

Anyway, glory to you, and your MGTOW house.

There aren't holes in your pockets. It's called marriage.

[Anonymous 13]

I was weaned on Star Trek, watching it in the 1960’s.

So, I’ve always been more a fan of Kirk, the Enterprises and the films.

Capn Picard series and films were good too.

I never really took to the spin offs, maybe I never gave them a chance.

[Mr LogicParticipant 625]

S~~~…I totally forget the name of the episode where Kirk uses reasoning and logic to make the robot’s head explode. Kind of like arguing with a woman.

I’m also still trying to get into Discovery but it’s not clicking yet.

[JustAnotherGuyParticipant]

My favorite series for awhile was Voyager, but not because of Janeway. I loved the dynamic between Paris and the Doctor, and Paris and Torres. Really any episode with Paris at the plot helm was good.

But then I saw reason and actually started paying attention to DS9, and holy crap is Voyager offal by comparison. The pairings of Jake/Nog, Odo/Quark, and Bashir/O’Brien made the show. It was able to dabble in murkey grey area like none of the other series ever could, and almost all of the intrigue happened between cast members and not as a function of the space commie crew landing on yet another “Not filmed in Arizona desert” set. They even brought a fictional alien currency (Latinum) that they were able to sneak in under commie-Rodenbury’s nose.

DS9 is timeless. TNG had some great moments, but in terms of direction and scale, nothing can hold a candle to DS9.

Cupcakes are Cold. MGTOW is Absolute Zero.
“Let us wait a little; when your enemy is executing a false movement, never interrupt him” –Napoleon Bonaparte, 1805

[Faust For ScienceParticipant 22522]

LionOnTheLoose wrote:

I love TOS and TNG deeply, but in some ways DS9 is I think the greatest of all, and partially because of Ben Sisko’s journey over the seven seasons.

I agree that DS9 likely is the best Star Trek series.

Razorfist (under Rageoholic) on youtube has started doing reviews of the old DS9 episodes in order. I agree with his opinion that DS9 is the only Star Trek series that could stand on its own if it was not a part of of the Star Trek franchise.

DS9 was willing to get its hands dirty, with a pool of talent that showed.

As for the other series. The original series was campy and fun. TNG played it straight and did it well. Enterprise was a bit hit and miss, but seasons three and four are good, with season four doing a lot of world building for the Star Trek franchise.

Voyager was a mess in a lot of what it was going for. Voyager wanted to be episodic which hurt the series, while DS9 was a linear series that grow in its plotlines over time.

On Discovery, I will be polite and say, no comment.

[Anonymous 14]

Do I count as a Star Trek fan if I only like the original series? I grew up watching reruns of it, had action figures/toys… I could never get into anything without the original cast, not even in the slightest, haven’t seen any of it…

[PistolPeteParticipant 27143]

I love the original series but I dislike anything that came after—not because I’m a snob but Next Generation, Deep Space, Voyager, Enterprise ARE NOT the same as the original. WHY? Because the latter incarnations are designed to appeal to women, not men. They are completely gyno-centric. Don’t believe me? Fine look at the facts and evidence.

In the original series there were professional women but there were also bimbos; I challenge anyone to find a single bimbo in any of the series after the first. All of the women are the feminista type man-wannabes, and notice how men were CONSTANTLY turning to women and their “deep” profound wisdom to bail them out; Gina the bar-tender, Troy the councilor. Ever notice how the men are all stereotypes:

Picard—the daddy
Will—the big brother
The doctor’s little boy—the little brother
Jordi—-the Beta orbiter nerd
Data—the gay friend
Worf–a woman’s take on a tough guy—which is why they SOOOOOO delighted in feminizing him by introducing his kid.

90% of the episodes deal with “family” “children” “feelings”

Sorry but only the original was any good—everything that followed is CRAP. Want more proof? Take a look at the fan produced episodes Star Trek Phase II in particular the episode involving Kirks nephew Peter. It took them exactly 5 minutes into the episode to have him butt/ass f~~~ed and making out in his cabin with some other guy—yeah gay sex.

Now Star Trek continues is OK and the keep the PC and gyno-centrizim in reasonable check but it is still there.

[Faust For ScienceParticipant 22522]

PistolPete wrote:

Because the latter incarnations are designed to appeal to women, not men.

I will have to disagree with you on that. DS9 was a very masculine series.

At the start of the series, the main character, Ben Sisko was a grieving widower and single father taking care of his son, Jake. That is not feminine.

Sisko did not even have a love interest until much later in the series.

The DS9 set up was a space-western, complete with a bar and whore house (what do you think Quark’s holo-suites were).

A lot of the DS9 has some dark storylines, even before the war saga of the series began.

The DS9 two part episode “Way of the Warrior” was probably the most action packed, masculine episode of the entire Star Trek franchise.

And most importantly about the matter of masculinity, DS9 redeemed Worf as the badass we always knew he could be.

[PistolPeteParticipant 27143]

Faust For Science wrote:

I will have to disagree with you on that. DS9 was a very masculine series

Does that include all the butch female characters? And yes sisko didn’t have a love interest because he was pining away for his little dead wife like a good little white knight. Sorry I remain unconvinced.

[IRuleMeParticipant]

Mr Logic wrote:

I’m also still trying to get into Discovery but it’s not clicking yet.

Why? Go watch Star Trek Continues on youtube or on their website. It picks up where the original left off, fills in the blanks, and helps complete the “five year mission”. A really well done fan series with a slew of guest appearances from people of various Star Trek shows, a cameo from Roddenberry’s son, and a “Scotty” played by the original Scotty’s son.

[Faust For ScienceParticipant 22522]

PistolPete wrote:

Does that include all the butch female characters?

Yes. Dax (season 1-6) was more an immortal special case.

As for Kira. She gets her ego and beliefs thrown back in her face several times in the series. Sisko chews her a few times in the series.

PistolPete wrote:

And yes sisko didn’t have a love interest because he was pining away for his little dead wife like a good little white knight.

I know some MGTOW are jaded on this point. In my personal life, I have seen good long term relationship in previous generations. When one of the spouses die, the other does not look for a relationship for years, if ever. But, you miss the other part of my comment. DS9 shows a single father raising a son with no negative connotations on the matter. That is not feminine.

[IRuleMeParticipant]

Faust For Science wrote:

PistolPete wrote:

Does that include all the butch female characters?

Yes. Dax (season 1-6) was more an immortal special case.

As for Kira. She gets her ego and beliefs thrown back in her face several times in the series. Sisko chews her a few times in the series.

PistolPete wrote:

And yes sisko didn’t have a love interest because he was pining away for his little dead wife like a good little white knight.

I know some MGTOW are jaded on this point. In my personal life, I have seen good long term relationship in previous generations. When one of the spouses die, the other does not look for a relationship for years, if ever. But, you miss the other part of my comment. DS9 shows a single father raising a son with no negative connotations on the matter. That is not feminine.

Most of those shows came out when I was a kid/teenager, a lot of it was guided by girls I thought were “hot”. Unfortunately, I never could get into the show as a kid. Primarily because I was like “where’s all the hot chicks?”

[hmskl’dParticipant 6406]

I spend almost every evening at Quark’s ..can find me sitting next to Morn.

[BritGHOWParticipant 2566]

I seem to recall one episode which centered on an all female planet, don’t remember them ever doing an all male one, likely because under that peaceful, productive drama free utopia would be a horror story that would never make it past the censors, the story of the events that would drive men to rid themselves of women permanently.

As for favorites, like many so far has to be DS9, the series in which Trek rolled up it’s sleeves and got it’s hands dirty.

Episodes probably Way of the Warrior just for the battle scenes around the station, especially the chaos once the station gets boarded and both For the Uniform and In the Pale Moonlight for showing that even Starfleet captains are capable of being the bad guy if the situation calls for it.

Although character wise I think Data has to take that one, the others are all what they are, but Data spends his whole existence trying to be more than just an android.

[RumpoleParticipant 994]

Patrick Stewart on the British series “Extras.” I love the Star Trek reference near the end of the clip.

[LionOnTheLooseParticipant 1315]

Wow, awesome to see all these replies!

JustAnotherGuy, yes yes yes, damn it we need to talk DS9 over a beer one day! Also Gul Dukat is one of my favourite villains ever. You’re so right about “direction and scale”: I love the way that it’s a huge 7-season arc, which none of the others achieved.

THX1138, yes that counts! It’s where it all stems from after all. The original series was the first Star Trek I ever watched too, on re-runs when I was at primary school in the early 90s. Such great stories, and the Shatner/Nimoy dynamic is amazing.

PistolPete and Faust for Science: I’m intrigued by the debate here and see both your points. Will mull this one over. I wouldn’t overstate how MGTOW Star Trek is: I guess it’s very much in a liberal Hollywood tradition. I also like the father/son dynamic with Sisko and Jake and in a sense the pilot episode is where Sisko kind of starts to move on from grieving his wife, so I think Faust is right and the focus is more on the father/son relationship there. Although Sisko is blue pill still underneath, as shown when Kasidy appears.

Incidentally, one of the greatest Jake/Sisko episodes of all for me is The Visitor, where you see Jake age to be an old man trying to save his father from an accident. I admit Lion has shed a tear for the beauty of their father/son relationship.

Wasn’t Kirk always a bit of a Chad? Maybe Picard is the most MGTOW in a way: “the Captain is a very private man”. Although there is that one awful episode where he falls in love with the woman with the roll-up keyboard…(*googles* ah yes, Season 6: Lessons). Also The Inner Light which I haven’t seen for years but I remember being better, where he experiences 40 years of a life in 5 minutes and gets married etc. and learns the penny whistle.

BritGHOW: there is an episode where the men and women live separately at least! Spock’s Brain (season 3 of the original series). Ranger One mentioned it on another thread a few weeks ago if I recall: the men live on the surface and the women are underground. The men refer to the women as “the givers of pain and delight”.

There aren't holes in your pockets. It's called marriage.

[bladeParticipant]

Anonymous wrote:

Do I count as a Star Trek fan if I only like the original series? I grew up watching reruns of it, had action figures/toys… I could never get into anything without the original cast, not even in the slightest, haven’t seen any of it…

Sorry bro you havent seen any star trek . I understand .

THE PLANTATION HAS NOW TURNED INTO THE KILLING FIELDS . WOMAN ARE NOW ROLLING CAMBODIAN STYLE .

[bladeParticipant]

I WAS getting back into my wood work slowly with a couple of hours a week till an old lady who never stops complaining and has a reputation for it had me stopped over noise even though there are two construction sites going behind and next to me .

Anyway i was getting into carving and building timber aussie star trek ships . The first prototype half completed and it will be a meter long . On the front of disk i was going to NAME IT the AU MOTHERF~~~ER 6969 .

Other one was i had just started on with the disk was going to be around the 3 meter mark . AU MOTHERF~~~ER CHAD CLASS .

Hope the Sydney refugee single mothers get bird flu . F~~~ off back to SYDNEY single mother whinging bitches . All in two bedroom goverment units and all on there own . I got my own back and dobbed the hypocrit bitches in for stealing of the building and turning a vent system off to do with the fire system .

Done a nice board with the picture burnt into timber .

Love star trek . Liked voyager

THE PLANTATION HAS NOW TURNED INTO THE KILLING FIELDS . WOMAN ARE NOW ROLLING CAMBODIAN STYLE .

[ForeverDoneParticipant 2928]

LionOnTheLoose wrote:

Captain’s log, Stardate 41203.1.

We have moved into orbit around MGTOW PRIME, a planet inhabited by a remarkable civilisation apparently made up solely of men.

Nice dream, but you do know that logically, this would not be possible unless they had artificial wombs with them.

[Anonymous 1]

Notice how Nurse Chappell cops an attitude about the very nicely made sexbot (I mean, android). I’d love to have one of those model androids!

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