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@22Deeboi
You’re spot on. I’m just going to have to be ruthless like what @keymaster said and just let him learn the hard hard hard wayYep.
Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?
Your brother has a crush, that means his perception of reality is warped. Logic will not work on him. There is no point being rational with him, as others pointed out.
There basically three options:
1. Hope he gets it out of his system before it is too late. If he had a lack of women in the past do some vacation at a county where the women are receptive to “easing tension”.
2. Hope his brain wins the internal power struggle. Most likely there is some little animal called “reason” imprisoned inside him rattling at the cage. Believe it or not sometimes it gets free. This happened to me when i was young. But there is really nothing YOU can do.
3. You can try to manipulate his emotions. Difficult and dangerous. Most likely you will end up being the villain from his point of view.
Your brother can’t swallow a red pill now even if it crawls into his mouth itself. This girl has to rip his b~~~~ out through his mouth if he is to swallow even the tiniest portion of a red pill (sorry for the graphics). And it will happen, sooner or later. I know this because I’ve been there. I’ve had friends and family talking to me, telling me how I’ve changed, telling me what a mangina I had become. None of it mattered.
The only important thing is for him to realize, himself, that he is being led around by the dick. You can only offer the truth. It is up to him to accept it or keep living in denial.
An important thing, according to me, is to have support in you as a brother. That doesn’t mean taking any s~~~ from him or his demon. It means being there for him when he finally comes around.
P.S. You might want to take a look at Popp’s videos. If you can show him some, even better. What he does with that, though, that’s up to him.

Anonymous42@Malefic, I know you really care about your brother, I have 2, one a beta, the other is something beyond MGTOW…
May I suggest keeping a track record of his misery with her? Keeping a chronological record with dates, times, and events. Perhaps if he sees her mischief condensed on a piece of paper he’ll realize where he’s going (down the wrong road)
My brother’s first wife was just such a person, he walked in on her while she had another man inside her. It shattered him…
Now she’s DEAD after a long bout with mental illness that landed her in a psycho ward, I couldn’t care less!
I hope he awakes from his poisoning before it’s too late, weather he does or not, he couldn’t ask for a more finer brother! I’m honored to have you among our group! You define “brother” in the purest sense of the word!
At this point you’d be casting pearls before the swine, wait, bide your time, eventually he’ll see the errors of his ways in the “history” you can show him by documenting the million or so events surly to follow…….
P.S. Some guys are like a playing card cloths-pinned to the forks of a bicycle, they’ll be hit by the same spokes over and over until they become silent from being all worn out……Sounds like My Brother as well,
He’s a real class act of Pussy Worshiping Beta in the 21st century. It’s almost sad to see, I’ve seen Females talk down, one even slap Him, key His car, and just a whole host of other nasty things. There was even one female that said s~~~ about certain family members of ours and all he did was agree.
I got so p~~~ed after his second divorce, that i showed up to his place one afternoon and straight up told him, to stop being a pussy to these females and stop putting them on a goddamn pedestal. I went off on a 20 minute rant on how these females just walk all over him and he doesnt do jack s~~~ about it.
In long run, he didn’t take any of my advice, however i just had to get it off my chest. Do the same as well, be brutally honest, and just lay all your cards out on the table.
good luck!.
"If You have the Tooth of a Whale, You must have the Whale's Jaw to hold it". (i.e. One Must have the right qualifications for leadership) -Hawaiian Proverb
Nobody could make you see it until you were ready either. It’s not your fault.
Reminded me of that matrix scene.
Oracle: Do you know what that means?
[points to a banner]
Oracle: It means know thy self. I wanna tell you a little secret, being the one is just like being in love. No one needs to tell you you are in love, you just know it, through and through.Temet nosce

So yeh, when your eyes open, you know it.
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I agree with other posts here – you have to let your brother learn the hard way because, no offense intended – he isn’t listening to reason. I was a beta once myself and in that kind of relationS~~~ – I know. Once he is burned bad enough, perhaps he will gain the clarity and wisom that you have.
"I care not what others think of what I do, but I care very much about what I think of what I do! That is character!"
~ Theodore Roosevelt
Anonymous0I can’t say anything that has not already been said. Except this: You can’t help those that don’t want to be helped. As a brother you can only help him pick up the pieces when the semi solid brown matter comes in contact with the rotary device. lol

Anonymous24I am in my mid forties. I went MGTOW on my own at the age of 35. If I had this site as a resource as a kid…? All the advice and life experience from older men, damn, I can only imagine how different my life would have been. Listen to most of what these guys tell you, and if you cannot use it to help your brother, at least you can use it for yourself.
Good luck kid-
Brother is probably screwed.
"We can no more stop him from marrying than we can stop him from making a well researched decision to poke his eyes out with a stick."
-Sidecar@Malefic,
May I suggest keeping a track record of his misery with her? Keeping a chronological record with dates, times, and events. Perhaps if he sees her mischief condensed on a piece of paper he’ll realize where he’s going (down the wrong road)That is an EXCELLENT idea. That’s what caused me to end my relationship after 14 years. Seeing it all laid out really makes things clearer. Mine wasn’t doing any of the crap your brother’s bitch is. But I realized that I was doing 95% of the giving in the relationship and that was all I needed to know.
Here’s another thought that may help as well…
You haven’t said anything about WHY he’s such a pussy. I would be interested to know what your (and his) relationship was like with your parents. And they with each other. Was your dad around? If so was he a pussy too? Or was your dad a self centered asshole?
I suspect that what you are describing is just a symptom of the real problem. And while you may not be able to treat the symptom you may be able to treat the underlying disease. Here are a couple of links to some YouTube videos. Give them a listen and see if they ring any bells with you. If so then listen to more by the same people. Try to find the one that will have the deepest impact on him. Then try to get him to listen to it, If you have to try telling him that you are having problems and want him to hear because you relate to this information. Whatever you have to do to get him to listen. This is probably the only chance of preventing him from destroying (or at least GREATLY harming) his life. Good luck!
@Malefic,
May I suggest keeping a track record of his misery with her? Keeping a chronological record with dates, times, and events. Perhaps if he sees her mischief condensed on a piece of paper he’ll realize where he’s going (down the wrong road)That is an EXCELLENT idea. That’s what caused me to end my relationship after 14 years. Seeing 3 months laid out really makes things clearer. My ex wasn’t doing any of the crap your brother’s bitch is. But I realized that I was doing 95% of the giving in the relationship and that was all I needed to know.
Here’s another thought that may help as well…
You haven’t said anything about WHY he’s such a pussy. I would be interested to know what your (and his) relationship was like with your parents. And they with each other. Was your dad around? If so was he a pussy too? Or was your dad a self centered asshole?
I suspect that what you are describing is just a symptom of the real problem. And while you may not be able to treat the symptom you may be able to treat the underlying disease. Here are a couple of links to some YouTube videos. Give them a listen and see if they ring any bells with you. If so then listen to more by the same people. Try to find the one that will have the deepest impact on him. Then try to get him to listen to it, If you have to try telling him that you are having problems and want him to hear because you relate to this information. Whatever you have to do to get him to listen. This is probably the only chance of preventing him from destroying (or at least GREATLY harming) his life. Good luck!
He’s your brother dude. If he’s incapable of not being a pussy right now you just have to accept it but you can be there for him when he needs it. Once she has used him up and broken him 🙁
I don’t condone kidnapping etc lol but have you considered trying to take him out of her sphere of influence for a bit ?
Get some of that bulls~~~ oppressive weight off his shoulders and let the poor guy just breath some air without her around?
Edit: Now I come to think of it it was exactly this that helped me unknowingly to some extent at least escape being a f~~~ing slave like he is. Man its so embarrassing looking back.
PS. your so dam lucky to see this s~~~ for what it is so early in life I’m well happy for you bro. Even a little jelly lolz 🙂
He’s your brother dude. If he’s incapable of not being a pussy right now you just have to accept it but you can be there for him when he needs it. Once she has used him up and broken him
I don’t condone kidnapping etc lol but have you considered trying to take him out of her sphere of influence for a bit ?
Get some of that bulls~~~ oppressive weight off his shoulders and let the poor guy just breath some air without her around?
Edit: Now I come to think of it it was exactly this that helped me unknowingly to some extent at least escape being a f~~~ing slave like he is. Man its so embarrassing looking back.
PS. your so dam lucky to see this s~~~ for what it is so early in life I’m well happy for you bro. Even a little jelly lolz

I’ve tried to convince him to join the family on vacation trips, but it is so difficult since he can’t be without her for like a day. I tried, my mother tried, but he just saw it all as a threat in his warped reality. I’m just going to wait until she burns him nasty. I’ve done the best I could, at least I tried for about 2 years.
Lmao, thanks man. I thank everyone on this site for opening my eyes. This knowledge literally saved my life.
AWALT. Never forget.
@Malefic,
May I suggest keeping a track record of his misery with her? Keeping a chronological record with dates, times, and events. Perhaps if he sees her mischief condensed on a piece of paper he’ll realize where he’s going (down the wrong road)That is an EXCELLENT idea. That’s what caused me to end my relationship after 14 years. Seeing 3 months laid out really makes things clearer. My ex wasn’t doing any of the crap your brother’s bitch is. But I realized that I was doing 95% of the giving in the relationship and that was all I needed to know.
Here’s another thought that may help as well…
You haven’t said anything about WHY he’s such a pussy. I would be interested to know what your (and his) relationship was like with your parents. And they with each other. Was your dad around? If so was he a pussy too? Or was your dad a self centered asshole?
I suspect that what you are describing is just a symptom of the real problem. And while you may not be able to treat the symptom you may be able to treat the underlying disease. Here are a couple of links to some YouTube videos. Give them a listen and see if they ring any bells with you. If so then listen to more by the same people. Try to find the one that will have the deepest impact on him. Then try to get him to listen to it, If you have to try telling him that you are having problems and want him to hear because you relate to this information. Whatever you have to do to get him to listen. This is probably the only chance of preventing him from destroying (or at least GREATLY harming) his life. Good luck!
Our father bailed. We pretty much grew up without a father, only a single mother. I think my mother turned us into mangina cringe beta’s, the common tactic of single mothers. Luckily, I managed to see right through it after learning about MGTOW. I even call her out on it every once in a while, and she just sits there and laughs because she knows it’s true. My mother even tells me “I can’t believe your brother hasn’t seen through it yet”. I’ll give the videos a listen, thanks!
AWALT. Never forget.
In my experience, it is a very difficult thing to get someone else to see a reality like the reality of the situation you describe about your brother. I’m almost 50 years old. A very long time ago, before you and your brother were even born, I was in a similar situation as the one he is in now. Like others here, it’s painfully embarrassing to look back and see some of the things I did.
But hindsight and experience are useful if you set aside the emotion attached to it. Just looking at it objectively, about why I did what I did and what I was thinking at the time, I have been able to learn some things about myself and what it was about me that got me into that situation. If your brother is like me, like I was at that time anyway, he’s an idealist. He believes in fairness, he believes that people are basically good, he believes in the idea of an equal exchange etc. He believes all kinds of great things are possible with adequate effort and sacrifice. He knows the value of those possibilities, and he is willing to make that effort and sacrifice and to do whatever he has to in order to achieve them. He believes deep down somewhere, that there is at least one woman worth all the sacrifice and effort he is able to make.
I can’t say for sure that there is no woman worth as much as I am able to give. I haven’t tested them all. I can say for certain that none of the 3 or 4 women I tested my theory on were worth it. They were not necessarily evil women. They were just mortal and I was prepared to make efforts and sacrifices worthy of super-human fairly tales. I had to do that test myself, and I had to prove to myself that my theory was wrong. You and I already know this girl your brother is chasing ins’t worth it. She knows it too.
It wasn’t because I was stubborn or blind. It was because I NEEDED for the world to contain at least one woman like that. I had a lot invested in that possibility. The hope kept me going. I was capable of making the effort to achieve great things, so I needed great things to at least be possible.
If he’s anything like I was, your brother has a lot riding on that hope as well. I don’t think he picked her out for his best effort because he did a careful background check on her. More likely, he picked her out for this because she was the best available from a local crowd from which she is the best on offer. That in itself is a pretty sad fact.
I can’t criticize your brother too hard for being an idealist. It’s going to cost him greatly and be painful for people like you and others who really do care about him to watch what happens next. But in his defense, it’s people like your brother who invented airplanes and telephones and who put footprints on the moon. In a world where everyone told the Wright brothers that it was impossible to fly (because everyone else had failed), they refused to believe what discouraging things they were told by the people around them. They were only able to do what they did because they believed (instead) that it was possible.
All that being said, this bitch is going to be the worst thing that ever happened to him. If she had any honesty in her at all, she could save him all that pain by just sitting him down and telling him that she’s not what he believes she is, is not going to live up to his hopes no matter how hard he tries, and then just walk away and not agree to see him anymore. Of course, she won’t do this. She’ll hang around and take advantage as much as she can and then blame him at the end for all his own pain. Generations ago, her behavior would have been more constrained by society in such a way that while she would not necessarily have been any closer to being worthy of all that, she would have at least been less able to take advantage of the situation as she is doing.
Hopefully, your brother will someday give up trying to achieve perfection in a relationship with a woman and redirect all that energy to something like curing cancer or solving hunger. May advice: watch for other areas like education or career where he idealizes and tries to achieve something superhuman and be his biggest cheerleader on that when he does. And be silent on this hopeless experiment in effort he is making with this parasitic girl. He’ll see the result for himself soon enough. With any luck, we will lose the target of the failed experiment, and lose the ideal, but kept idealist intact for re-direction to some more worthwhile effort…
Look, it's not my fault that tornado dropped a house on your sister. Now get back on your broom and get your ass out of here... and take your monkeys with you
Your brother is obsessed with her.Tell him that what he has is a sick self destructive obsession. Tell him that his obsession is hurting not only him but you and your family too.
If they have children together, the children will have to witness her behavior and be hurt by it too.
That woman has a severe personality disorder. Probably Border Line Personality Disorder or Histrionic.She is as toxic as cobra venom. Only a matter of time before she does something really f~~~ed up and someone has something really bad happen to them like catching an incurable STD or arrested or hurt by some guy she f~~~s in exchange for hurting you or your brother or she brings around some guy to f~~~ and he steals something. Your brother is like a crackhead and she is the crack.Time for tough love.Talk to your family!!!!!ASAP!!!!.
Please don’t let your brother use you as an emotional tampon.Tell him A) you dump that c~~~ or B) don’t f~~~ing bother me with the f~~~ed up problems you are having and going to have with her.
He needs to grow a pair and dump her and burn all bridges or don’t ever bother you with her problems. It might come to a point where you have no tell him either you dump her once and for all or don’t talk to me at all.
His obsession with her has him f~~~ed up in the head just like a drug addict.
Just how f~~~ed up she is is painfully obvious, he is so f~~~ed up that he can’t see it.
He can get help.There are psychologists that specialize in addictions. What SHE has ,her mental s~~~ probably has no cure.Cluster B personality disorders have no cure.I hope you do the right thing.
He needs to dump her to make sure she has no access to your family. And he needs to get help. Professional help.
frankly my dear i don't give a damn
(…)he blows loads of money on her
If I were you I’d get him with this.
Tell him what MGTOW is all about and teach him how to give her “tests” tell him to cut the money and the free rides so he can see how much she really cares for him.
While I was reading your post all I had in my head was a car without a parking break rolling down hill, you know it’s a disaster and you need to jump in there and stop it, but good luck succeeding, since he’s your brother I don’t think you should quit on him, keep trying to open his eyes and give him the red pill before he gets married or she turns up pregnant claiming it’s his. I bet if he broke up with him she’d try that.
But if nothing else, he’ll eventually learn the hard way and at least you got an example first hand on what NOT to do when it comes to relationships.
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(…)he blows loads of money on her
If I were you I’d get him with this.
Tell him what MGTOW is all about and teach him how to give her “tests” tell him to cut the money and the free rides so he can see how much she really cares for him.
I tried this but he just sees everything as an attack in his warped reality.
AWALT. Never forget.
I should probably update for everyone.
They started dating again about a month after I created this thread. Things have not improved. I have had several discussions with him about what he is doing and if he realizes what he is doing. We have also gotten into heated arguments about this.
Needless to say, he thinks I am “jealous”, thinks I just don’t “understand true love”, “none of my business”, etc.
His behavior has gotten worse. He keeps spending money on her and is even clingier than before which I didn’t think was even possible.
Honestly my fellow MGTOW brothers, I am done helping him. He needs to crash and burn, again, but much harder. The thought that his girlfriend will be a part of my family when they get married is very embarrassing and disgusting. I need to isolate myself away from these 2 clowns. I’ve had enough.
AWALT. Never forget.
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