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Elgos_Grim wrote:

@leobez were you looking at the woman in the red dress?

That was great. lol-ed.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[MGTOWmonkey aka No More Fucks To GiveParticipant 6635]

Eyeswideopen wrote:

@leobez84; Firstly, I am not dispensing legal advice. I am not a lawyer. You need to pay for a consultation with legal counsel in your area – a few grand is well worth it when you are talking about hundred of thousands of dollars in assets. 1.) All the “safe-guards” you are describing I honestly don’t think will protect you in the event of a divorce. Being a citizen of a country usually does not preclude your wife from making a financial claim. There is usually no citizenship requirements. For example, if you have children she will still be eligible for child support. Also, general legal tenant is whatever is perceived to be in the best interest of the children. That could mean awarding her sole possession of the matermonial home. Consult with a lawyer. 2.) In general getting married is signing your own slave warrant. You are entering into a very formal contract to become one in the eyes of the law. It is a contract with the state to provide for your spouse. I think your maneuvers will be meaningless, especially when she hires a lawyer to drag you through the system. Consult with a lawyer. 3.) Women are fantastic mimics/actresses when it comes to snaring you – boardering on sociopathic. No offence, but the women your going to marry will not be the one that you divorce. I found that out the hard way – remember logic does not apply. Past attitude will not be an indicator of future performance on her part. 4.) I am a firm proponent of human nature. It’s unfortunate, but I believe anyone needs to be burned at least once before you heed the warnings. Everyone is under the fallacy that they will beat the odds and be special. Highly unlikely you will. 5.) MGTOW is response to a one sided, unbalanced, and unstable social fabric. I wish it were not so, but it is. Long term romantic relationships and MGTOW are mutually exclusive. 6.) In the relationship you describe, you seem to be taking all the risk. Why?. Love? – This is just a state of mind. When things go wrong you will loose. I would not want to live the rest of my life with a women having her foot on my neck. 7.) Women are empowered today. Your spouse will become indoctrinated with American culture. Social programs and laws have made you obsolete as the patriarch and head of your house. All she needs is your seed and your in financial jail for the next 18-25 years. What is the point of having kids, and paying for them, if you can’t have any say in how they are raised? They will be her children, not yours – only your obligation. 8.) Loose, loose proposition. Close friends, all well educated, are just now starting to enter the divorce crunch. Women today look for a good, stable provider to have <b>their </b>children. Second your locked in they drop you and start casual flings 5-7 years after marriage. Laws empower them to do this. This phenomenon has been aggravated by social media. 9.) 50 years ago, no fault divorce aside, if you had a stay at home wife, the only real concern you had was the milk or the mail man. Today, with social media, your wife can be arranging her next fling over her morning coffee. Do you really think you are going to make her social, sexually, or emotionally satisfied for the rest of your life with all these option? If you think that is the case I have some magic beans to sell you.

I’m gonna have your post framed and hang it on a wall!!! epic my friend epic…..

Never lose sight of what brought you here.

[EyeswideopenParticipant 2930]

Thank you Snake and MGTOWMonkey, I was just attempting to distill some of the knowledge I have learned from my personal experience and the lessons from others on this site. Speaking of distill, when I wrote that I had a few beers after a long 14hr shift – I might be onto something here.

 

@Leobez;

1.) With all due respect, the fact that you are here, makes me think that you are seeing some red flags. I know I did – love / delusion is a powerful, powerful force. I rationalized those flags away because the early years of the relationship had been too good to be true. Turns out it was.

2.) My ex signed a prenup as well; this went a long way to defusing those red flags. It saved my ass, but also sowed the seeds of the death of my marriage. The reason is that the woman looses one of the major reasons to be with you long term; unfettered access to your resources. I have come to realize that this is a colossal catch 22 – no prenup and she might stay with you longer in order to get maximum benefit from you before pulling the pin. With a prenup, you are delegated to the role of pot warmer until she can snag a better deal – short marriage is highly likely because she is still facing the wall.

3.) Also, I would not be surprised if she is playing possum. The true money is in children. Second you have a child, best interest of the child, reasonable or otherwise, rules. Again, I am not dispensing legal advice, but with children involved a prenup can be overturned. Also, you will have to subject yourself to the whims of the family court system. Others on this site can vouch for the horrors that await.

4.) From you post, it sounds like you have vastly more resources then your woman. This is inherently risky. You have to remember the general axiom of any romantic relationship – the one who cares least has the balance of power in the relationship. Before marriage/cohabitation/kids, you can claim victory because you can walk away with all your s~~~ in hand. Second any of the above happen, to varying degrees, she will have power. You cannot care the least because you will be compelled to keep her happy or she will take it all away – your kids, your money, your sanity, your family, maybe your life. This is when the chains of slavery are forged.

5.) These are bitter truths. Soul crushing, heart breaking truths. Yet, I would rather be free, then a slave any day. I don’t have all the answers; ultimately you need to make your own choices and live with them.

- Marriage is described as an institution. You would have to be crazy to be commited to it. -"If you want to live a happy life, tie it to a goal. Not people or things" Albert Einstein

[DilbertParticipant 281]

Basically, your grenade has a well disguised and very long delayed fuse.

Do your own s~~~ test.  Tell her you don’t plan to get married and that you believe you can have everything a marriage provides without signing a contract with the state.  See how she reacts and more importantly WHY.  Give it time.  Unfortunately, as far gone as you are you may rationalize her reactions/words.

Don’t say well meaning, rational people didn’t try to help you avert a disaster.  We’ll be here after you get burned.  Hope it isn’t too bad.

It is for very good reasons the Devil chose to tempt Eve not Adam...

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