F~~~ "productivity"

[MutineerParticipant 1467]

To me productivity is meeting my basic needs with the least amount of effort; so i can spend time doing what i value. In the workplace it means working harder for someone else.

"The secret to happiness is freedom... And the secret to freedom is courage." - Thucydides

[Old BuckParticipant 3596]

I used to work 60 to 70 hours a week in a tool & die job. I had all the toys I wanted and no girlfriend to waste my finances on. It wore me out. After a few years, I couldn’t do it any more.

I now work 40 hours a week, making more per hour, but way less take home. But I am happier.

Right now I could work part time to pay the bills, but health insurance costs way too much to afford on my own. I am working for the health insurance, as I could get sick again. But at least I am working for a great company that would not dump be just because I’m in the hospital for a couple weeks. It could happen again anytime.

The whole experience taught me to live a simpler life. I don’t need “stuff” to make me happy, although riding my motorcycle is really a therapy session. Just paid off my student loans, car is paid for, but I can now save for a house and eventually my vehicle will need to be replaced.

Work while you can. Living off savings while you are younger may force you to work at an older age. The more you save means the earlier you can retire. I wish I could of learned this years ago.

Don't chase tail. Turn yours around, walk away, and live free!

[AwakenedParticipant 35201]

All the lil Cupcakes Wanted to have “careers’, and “call the shots”. You know, for decades we’ve been hearing All About “Hear Me Roar” etc.

F~~~ it Ladies, You Wanted It So Bad, Have A wack at It. Get a TASTE of just WHY Men have a shorter life expectancy then Women.

C’mon Girls Let Me Hear You Roar as you Work 60 plus hours a week giving up your evenings, weekends, holidays, losing sleep because you can’t help but take the job home with you, travel to here there and everywhere etc. etc. etc.

Roar, Roar, Roar, LOL LOL LOL

In a World of Justin Beibers Be a Johnny Cash

[LionOnTheLooseParticipant 1315]

Thanks, OldBuck, I appreciate your thoughts. I hope you stay well; with any luck, your more balanced life will help you to stay healthy.

You make a really good point about working younger so you don’t have to work when you’re older. I’m generally quite risk averse and I certainly wouldn’t completely stop working for a long time, and not without a serious amount of capital safely put away. When I was married, I’d left the music world and was earning a six-figure salary in the corporate law world, which I hated, so I’m really glad to have checked out of that and making a living from music, freelance, where 95% of my time I’m working on my own at home.

The simple life rules! At least you enjoy your motorbike. I’m all for guys buying cool s~~~ they enjoy; I might invest in a decent hifi system at some point if one of my possible contracts works out. The sad thing about the way women spend money is on tons of s~~~ they don’t even seem to enjoy, like a million half-used bottles in the shower…

There aren't holes in your pockets. It's called marriage.

[Anonymous 42]

All this talk of work makes me want to take another nap…

[AwakenedParticipant 35201]

Anonymous wrote:

All this talk of work makes me want to take another nap…

Less Work, More Naps !!

In a World of Justin Beibers Be a Johnny Cash

[TheSpiceParticipant 2644]

I want to retire early. What’s the cheapest way to live and still have the basics?

RV? Trailer? Cheap house in the middle of nowhere?

"I've been thinking about what it would be like if we got back together."
"You know it's too late for that."

[ShineParticipant 1696]

TheSpice wrote:

I want to retire early. What’s the cheapest way to live and still have the basics?

RV? Trailer? Cheap house in the middle of nowhere?

Would depend on which country. Alot of expats have investments or property where they used to call home, and live overseas in a poorer country on passive income. I considered this option, but housing here in Australia is an impossible dream now days without some serious capital. Others work part time as digital nomads.

The cheap house in the middle of no where is defiantly a possibility for retirement, as you can factor out the need for work, and with planning you should have 20+ years to pay off the property before you head out to whoop whoop to retire.

The grey nomad thing is fairly popular here in a Oz, with cashed up baby boomers doing the big lap around the country towing oversized caravans to keep the lady dragon happy living on the road, and staying at overpriced sites along the way. In between towing an expensive caravan, extra fuel and servicing costs, and extortionate fees for facilities dosn’t fit my idea of cheap living. Let alone the dick measuring contest along the way, keeping up with the Jonses touring rig.

As a MGTOW without the mrs, a small stealthy camper would do the trick and rough wild camping is legal and often requires a few km walk in to keep the crowds away – just the way I like it.

As for productivity, work smarter not harder, lifestyle is key.

"Society is to blame" Denton

[LionOnTheLooseParticipant 1315]

TheSpice wrote:

I want to retire early. What’s the cheapest way to live and still have the basics?

RV? Trailer? Cheap house in the middle of nowhere?

There will probably be others on here better equipped answer, but one thing that’s come up is the pesky problem of health insurance. I don’t know how you organise that outside the UK (here it’s free). I’d have thought some sort of trailer would work well. If you could build up some capital, and then live off whatever returns it gives you, that’d work well. Reducing your costs as low as you can go, maybe learning bushcraft etc. to become self-sufficient. Go off grid, as far away as you can. The world is your oyster brother!

Awakened wrote:

MG-ɹǝʍo┴ wrote:

All this talk of work makes me want to take another nap…

Less Work, More Naps !!

Yes! =”Male lions sleep an average 20 hours per day. The females on the other hand do all of the really hard work—killing the majority of prey, which the males then appropriate for themselves.”
(From https://www.edge.org/conversation/nathan_myhrvold-lions-africas-magnificent-predators)

That’s the kind of life I’m talking about!!

There aren't holes in your pockets. It's called marriage.

[TheSpiceParticipant 2644]

Sorry for the vague hijacking question. It’s just that thinking about lowering productivity sparks an interest of mine to eject myself out of the city’s rat race.

I live in the US. Healthcare here is basically f~~~ed, true.

I think of a great quote I once heard, but have no idea where it’s from:

“I believe in the noble aristocratic art of doing absolutely nothing. And I hope that someday I’ll be in a position when I can do even less.”

"I've been thinking about what it would be like if we got back together."
"You know it's too late for that."

[LionOnTheLooseParticipant 1315]

TheSpice wrote:

Sorry for the vague hijacking question. It’s just that thinking about lowering productivity sparks an interest of mine to eject myself out of the city’s rat race.

I live in the US. Healthcare here is basically f~~~ed, true.

I think of a great quote I once heard, but have no idea where it’s from:

“I believe in the noble aristocratic art of doing absolutely nothing. And I hope that someday I’ll be in a position when I can do even less.”

No need to apologise, man! Great quote: it’s Oscar Wilde (Picture of Dorian Gray).

It’s a fascinating area and one that there’s been some interesting thinking on it through the ages, from different angles. You might enjoy this article, and following through some of the links/references:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refusal_of_work

This quote by Nietzsche is gold dust:

Behind the glorification of ‘work’ and the tireless talk of the ‘blessings of work’ I find the same thought as behind the praise of impersonal activity for the public benefit: the fear of everything individual. At bottom, one now feels when confronted with work – and what is invariably meant is relentless industry from early till late – that such work is the best police, that it keeps everybody in harness and powerfully obstructs the development of reason, of covetousness, of the desire for independence. For it uses up a tremendous amount of nervous energy and takes it away from reflection, brooding, dreaming, worry, love, and hatred; it always sets a small goal before one’s eyes and permits easy and regular satisfactions. In that way a society in which the members continually work hard will have more security: and security is now adored as the supreme goddess…

And on the more ancient tradition of the hermit:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermit

There aren't holes in your pockets. It's called marriage.

[SimpleLifeParticipant 439]

This thread is fantastic. I’ve seen some very driven and motivated people who are very hard working BURY themselves under inescapable debt because of their blue pilled ways. They’ll be working full time (at least) until they’re unable to enjoy life anymore. I’d feel more sympathetic if it weren’t so avoidable.

I’ve always had a disdain for the rat race, and since learning of mgtow it has only entrenched my opinion. And in many situations, people want you to be “productive” so that others may mooch off of you. Whether through taxes or directly.

[Prophet MicahParticipant 1972]

LionOnTheLoose wrote:

Living the dream, man. Way to go. What’s your favourite Star Trek series brother? Deep Space Nine for me. I hope to visit the USA and properly explore the outdoors one day. I guess that’s something I could spend a few hundred quid on, ha.

I’ve only started the Star Trek sagas. Right now I’m on The Next Generation. Just waiting for Whoopi to show up to skip the rest of that series. I will miss Worf though. He’s a Mans Man. Brings me back to my youth of watching Star Trek TNG with my pops on the couch destroying a bowl of over-buttered and over-salted popcorn.

Really looking forward to Deep Space Nine! So far the original is my fave. These days you couldn’t even dream of airing a show with as much “sexism” that was in the original lol.

No Wife - No Strife

[LionOnTheLooseParticipant 1315]

Prophet Micah wrote:

I’ve only started the Star Trek sagas. Right now I’m on The Next Generation. Just waiting for Whoopi to show up to skip the rest of that series. I will miss Worf though. He’s a Mans Man. Brings me back to my youth of watching Star Trek TNG with my pops on the couch destroying a bowl of over-buttered and over-salted popcorn.

Really looking forward to Deep Space Nine! So far the original is my fave. These days you couldn’t even dream of airing a show with as much “sexism” that was in the original lol.

Ahh good times with your pops there! And lots for you to look forward to. 🙂 I’m also really fond of the original series and TNG; you’re right, the original comes across as pretty sexist now (the women’s uniforms!) but I guess back then it was seen as quite progressive in many ways. You’re right, Worf is freaking awesome and as you probably know he becomes a regular in DS9 so you have lots to look forward to (although he does go a bit blue pill and get married).

Maybe we should have a MGTOW Bat’leth tournament:

There aren't holes in your pockets. It's called marriage.

[ArcturisParticipant 2819]

LionOnTheLoose wrote:

Man, sounds like a great plan. I mean you’re 27 right,

Yes Sir! Very informative response thank you.

LionOnTheLoose wrote:

Plus I really dodged a bullet given my ex didn’t want kids

This is one of the things I’m VERY grateful for. Even though most of us here have be ‘burned’, it’s all different degrees.

I read all the stories and think F~~~…it could have been a LOT WORSE.

The kids, house, marriage etc. Dodging a bullet is almost putting it lightly eh. Potentially save ourselves a life-time of pain.

That’s worth a beer.

Protect Your Sovereignty. Women WILL TRY To Manipulate You. #NOCONTACT #ICETHEMOUT

[LionOnTheLooseParticipant 1315]

Arcturis wrote:

Dodging a bullet is almost putting it lightly eh.

Too right, more like dodging one of these:

I’ll admit that I’ve sometimes wondered what it’d be like to have children. Perhaps it’s just residual blue-pill thinking. I think a lot of people do it for narcissistic reasons, but I think being a good dad is something to be proud of. There are definitely some great dads on here. I just think for guys our age, there are very limited options for doing so in a way which doesn’t leave you completely screwed. It’s a shame, because ultimately I think families are good, and it’s sad to think so many children are going to grow up with single mums who’ve got preggers just to get benefits. I’ve felt quite conflicted about it, but have got to the point now of having zero interest in parenting. I do a bit of work with kids, and always relish coming home to peace and quiet at the end. How about you, do you ever think it’s a shame to miss out on being a dad?

Arcturis wrote:

That’s worth a beer.

Agreed, make it a couple. Cheers buddy

There aren't holes in your pockets. It's called marriage.

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