F~~~ "productivity"

[LionOnTheLooseParticipant 1315]

The more I think about it, the more I think the idea of “productivity” as an end in itself might be bulls~~~.

Sure, do work you love, do work you’re proud of, do work that gives you satisfaction. Work so you can live, and will be able to live independently in the future. If you have children, be responsible for them. If you want to buy cool s~~~, go for it.

But what’s the point of generating unnecessary extra cash? I’m lucky to work in a creative field, but there’s still a lot of pointless timewasting, talking to f~~~wits on the phone, emailing back and forth etc. F~~~ that. F~~~ the “to do list”.

As men, the blue pill programming runs deep. Even when we’re red pilled, our self-esteem can sometimes derive from success at work or in business, accumulating capital, building a “legacy”. Without a c~~~ to drain our resources, we can carry on in resource-generating mode and it all just accumulates.

But what if we just switch off resource-generating mode?

Obviously we all need to find Our Own Way, and I have massive respect for guys who build huge businesses if that’s what they want to do, but I’m increasingly feeling like for me at least I’m not interested in these outward signs of success.

I’ve paid off my house, have no debt, have good cash reserves, and can live frugally but comfortably for about £8,000 a year. I can easily earn that quite quickly as a freelancer, and I’m feeling like doing extra work to earn more than that is just pointless. I have no children, so there’s no one to leave it to.

I’m feeling increasingly drawn to a life of obscurity, solitude, frugality, study and contemplation.

Anyone with me here?

There aren't holes in your pockets. It's called marriage.

[Manspread MansplainerParticipant 4222]

LionOnTheLoose wrote:

I’ve paid off my house, have no debt, have good cash reserves, and can live frugally but comfortably

Awesome!
Wish I could say the same.
Not sure what to say except “I concur”.
Maybe do something involving a risk?

If women ran the world = It would become the shithole you are seeing.

[Prophet MicahParticipant 1972]

Couldn’t agree with you more LOTL. As a 32y/o retiree I find no need to be more productive than I already am. I fish when the fish are biting, I shoot the bow and guns when I’m “feeling it,” I get my workouts in 3 days a week as I always plan it, enjoy my weekends with the family when I feel like it, do a trip in my trailer when I feel like it.

Just got back from a trip to Lake Havasu, AZ. Time of my life. Lots of sun, plentiful Gin & Tonic. And at the end of the day I go back to my trailer, play some Super Nintendo, watch some Father Brown or Star Trek and go to bed ready to do the same thing over again. Came across some good Mexican restaurants there too. I didn’t have a fish taco I didn’t like lol.

No Wife - No Strife

[RomulusParticipant 4667]

I’m as productive as I need to be to meet my needs.

When I was younger I ran the hamster treadmill……as I had little in the way of capital resources and was, to a degree, showing a good return to my employer in order to advance and make more money.

Now, I am financially secure (not wealthy by any means) and have a life time of savings I have managed to accumulate one small bit by the next. My only need to be productive at work, or in my personal life, is to the degree I need in order to satisfy my own standards.

How can a woman be expected to be happy with a man who insists on treating her as if she were a perfectly normal human being.

[Anonymous 6]

Right there with you on that LOTL, solitude and minimalism are my best friends!

[Secret Agent MGTOWParticipant 22510]

Solitude and time for reflection and deeper thinking is very under-rated these days.

Women want everything, but want responsibility and accountability for nothing.

[IndependentlyFreeParticipant 108]

I wish i could but, how does one get by for emergencies? like, even if you have $100,000 saved up, if you have just 1 accident, that could cause you to lose all your money if you don’t have insurance. and if you dont have a job with an established company, you aint got insurance.

Don't be a slave. Be yourself.

[LionOnTheLooseParticipant 1315]

Great replies. I sometimes feel like MGTOW.COM is a kind of virtual monastery, with some great brothers who share their wisdom freely.

Manspread Mansplainer wrote:

Awesome! […] Maybe do something involving a risk?

Thanks! I do now run a business, and have taken some calculated risks this year which seem to be paying off. I’m generally quite risk averse and am happy with the security that, even without working, I could live off savings for years.

Prophet Micah wrote:

Couldn’t agree with you more LOTL. As a 32y/o retiree I find no need to be more productive than I already am. I fish when the fish are biting, I shoot the bow and guns when I’m “feeling it,” I get my workouts in 3 days a week as I always plan it, enjoy my weekends with the family when I feel like it, do a trip in my trailer when I feel like it.

Just got back from a trip to Lake Havasu, AZ. Time of my life. Lots of sun, plentiful Gin & Tonic. And at the end of the day I go back to my trailer, play some Super Nintendo, watch some Father Brown or Star Trek and go to bed ready to do the same thing over again. Came across some good Mexican restaurants there too. I didn’t have a fish taco I didn’t like lol.

Living the dream, man. Way to go. What’s your favourite Star Trek series brother? Deep Space Nine for me. I hope to visit the USA and properly explore the outdoors one day. I guess that’s something I could spend a few hundred quid on, ha.

Secret Agent MGTOW wrote:

Solitude and time for reflection and deeper thinking is very under-rated these days.

Couldn’t agree more.

IndependentlyFree wrote:

I wish i could but, how does one get by for emergencies? like, even if you have $100,000 saved up, if you have just 1 accident, that could cause you to lose all your money if you don’t have insurance. and if you dont have a job with an established company, you aint got insurance.

You make a very good point. I’m very fortunate to live in the UK, where we have the NHS, so healthcare is free at the point of use. I did think about moving to Germany at one point but the health insurance there would be crippling for a freelancer like myself. In the end, I’m much happier here.

Assuming you’re in the US, perhaps you could have some kind of flexible job where you at least get insurance? I’ve heard some people work in Starbucks etc. primarily do it for the insurance rather than for the actual earnings, which seems f~~~ed up from my perspective, but I can see why you might do that given the way the US healthcare system works.

There aren't holes in your pockets. It's called marriage.

[Anonymous 12]

In a workplace sense the people who talk about productivity are the least productive themselves. One theme I have noticed is managers changing things just to say they have done something.

Then the next manager changes it back to how it used to be. Just silly games rather than a sensible long term vision.

[Anonymous 38]

F~~~ing A I’m with you. You’re in the perfect position to reduce your working time.

You could be mega productive for 2 days a week.

That’s what I hope to do one day. I f~~~ing hate ‘work’. I only want to do the things I want to do now. Read, cook, paint, learn, go on trips.

I don’t want to ‘socialise’, to mix with others, go to meetings, do bulls~~~ tasks and have to mask my true abilities and true being because of PC c~~~s.

[Ranger OneParticipant 16836]

Herbivore men, like in Japan.

Not a bad idea.

All my life I've had doubts about who I am, where I belonged. Now I'm like the arrow that springs from the bow. No hesitation, no doubts. The path is clear. And what are you? Alive. Everything else is negotiable. Women have rights; men have responsibilities; MGTOW have freedom. Marriage is for chumps. If someone stands in the way of true justice, you simply walk up behind them and stab them in the heart-R'as al Ghul.

[LionOnTheLooseParticipant 1315]

Ranger One wrote:

Herbivore men, like in Japan.

Not a bad idea.

Maybe. I don’t know much about them. Wikipedia says they’ve been defined as “kind and gentle men who, without being bound by manliness, do not pursue romantic relationships voraciously and have no aptitude for being hurt or hurting others.” That does make them sound a bit like pussies. I’ve got a strong sex drive and feel the urge to bang chicks every day, so it’s not like my b~~~~ are falling off. It’s just that I make a rational decision to direct that energy into other things. Maybe I’ll be more herbivorous in 20 years’ time!

There aren't holes in your pockets. It's called marriage.

[LionOnTheLooseParticipant 1315]

Anonymous wrote:

F~~~ing A I’m with you. You’re in the perfect position to reduce your working time.

You could be mega productive for 2 days a week.

That’s what I hope to do one day. I f~~~ing hate ‘work’. I only want to do the things I want to do now. Read, cook, paint, learn, go on trips.

I don’t want to ‘socialise’, to mix with others, go to meetings, do bulls~~~ tasks and have to mask my true abilities and true being because of PC c~~~s.

That’s what I’m talking about man! I can earn the £8,000 I need a year with about 45 days’ work. That leaves 320 days for reading, learning etc. as you say.

There are literally very few people I want to see. My parents are fun in their blue-pill way (they are at least both interested in self-improvement and have devoted their retirement to studying art/literature/history), and my granddad, he’s proper old school, he was in WWII. One or two mates, maybe, but they’re all so blue pill that it gets increasingly frustrating.

Good luck with your plans, brother.

There aren't holes in your pockets. It's called marriage.

[bigboy83Participant 11312]

Im sick of work, sick of the cliques, sick of the promotions going to just women. Sick of waking up early. Sick of mangina companies. Sick of business politics.

Ready for something different.

Shit Tested, Cunt Approved.

[Anonymous 12]

bigboy83 wrote:

Im sick of work, sick of the cliques, sick of the promotions going to just women. Sick of waking up early. Sick of mangina companies. Sick of business politics.

Ready for something different.

I used to be a manager in my workplace. I kept seeing people below me get jobs I was better qualified for just because they were part of cliques.

It still happens now but at least I’m just a worker these days so I am less stressed and much happier.

[bigboy83Participant 11312]

Anonymous wrote:

bigboy83 wrote:

Im sick of work, sick of the cliques, sick of the promotions going to just women. Sick of waking up early. Sick of mangina companies. Sick of business politics.

Ready for something different.

I used to be a manager in my workplace. I kept seeing people below me get jobs I was better qualified for just because they were part of cliques.

It still happens now but at least I’m just a worker these days so I am less stressed and much happier.

Amen, brother. Cliques, cliques, cliques, all run by women. Hoping for a promotion for more pay, cross your fingers.

Shit Tested, Cunt Approved.

[ArcturisParticipant 2819]

Nice Brother! It’s great that us men need very little to survive.

In such a position as yourself it’s even less.

I’m at a different stage where I’m trying to earn the most and BE productive. Climbing out of bad habits and building a solid foundation for growth.

One of my goals over the next 10 years is to be able to work from anywhere in the world with a laptop and an internet connection. No debt, simple life, endless time for learning & research and the odd medium rare steak. Mhmm.

LionOnTheLoose wrote:

I’m feeling increasingly drawn to a life of obscurity, solitude, frugality, study and contemplation.

Sounds perfect 😀

Protect Your Sovereignty. Women WILL TRY To Manipulate You. #NOCONTACT #ICETHEMOUT

[ArcturisParticipant 2819]

Anonymous wrote:

F~~~ing A I’m with you. You’re in the perfect position to reduce your working time.

You could be mega productive for 2 days a week.

That’s what I hope to do one day. I f~~~ing hate ‘work’. I only want to do the things I want to do now. Read, cook, paint, learn, go on trips.

I don’t want to ‘socialise’, to mix with others, go to meetings, do bulls~~~ tasks and have to mask my true abilities and true being because of PC c~~~s.

Totally agree with this too.

All of my work COULD BE condensed down to 2-3 days a week. The rest I could get another job or learn new things…sadly businesses don’t see it that way.

You’re assessed on the HOURS you work as opposed to YOUR RESULTS. And paid on your TITLE as opposed to your CONTRIBUTION…At least I am anyway…

I look forward to building a life where I’m in control of all aspects and have time to do more of such things mentioned. 😀

Protect Your Sovereignty. Women WILL TRY To Manipulate You. #NOCONTACT #ICETHEMOUT

[AwakenedParticipant 35201]

Yeah before Assimilating the Red Pill, I was looking into getting another Graduate Degree so I Could work More Hours, Have More Responsibility, Choke Down More Stress so I could make More Money, and eventually die even sooner so the resident Old Lady could continue Not to work, and continue upon her FREE Ride.

The Blue Man that I was ALMOST bought into this Tradcon vision/nightmare.

Now, I do just what I have to do on and off the job, and laugh my ass off as I watch the Matrix go by. I’m not looking for degrees or promotions or anything else the “world of work” can offer.

My ONLY PLANS are preparing for MY FUTURE, MY DIVORCE, AND MY FREEDOM.

In a World of Justin Beibers Be a Johnny Cash

[LionOnTheLooseParticipant 1315]

Cheers Arcturis!

Arcturis wrote:

I’m at a different stage where I’m trying to earn the most and BE productive. Climbing out of bad habits and building a solid foundation for growth.

Of course, and that’s a good position to be in. And to clarify, I’ve got absolutely nothing against MGTOWs being ambitious, building a massive empire, whatever: be the next Bill Gates or Rupert Murdoch or whatever if you want. The point is that it’s for you and not for some girl.

Arcturis wrote:

One of my goals over the next 10 years is to be able to work from anywhere in the world with a laptop and an internet connection.

Man, sounds like a great plan. I mean you’re 27 right, you’ve got bags of time! At 36 I feel like I wasted so much time on my ex, but then I came here and people rightly reminded me that (a) the time wasn’t wasted, because I learnt an important lesson, and (b) plenty of guys here were on the plantation for way longer. Plus I really dodged a bullet given my ex didn’t want kids: I’m sure if she had done then I’d be doing Daddy Day Care right now. It’s even better for you because you’re a mere tiger cub. 😉 Sam Walton was 44 when he founded Walmart. You have bags of time.

Arcturis wrote:

and the odd medium rare steak. Mhmm.

Mmm, we big cats do like our meat!! On which note, I have to throw in here–my ex was vegetarian and gradually bullied me into giving up meat. She never just said “I want you to give up meat”, it was always little complaints, wearing me down little by little, year by year: first I agreed not to cook it at home, then she didn’t like the cold meat in the fridge, then she didn’t like the smell on me when I ate it out, etc. etc. Eventually I gave it up just so she’d shut the f~~~ up. Women learn never to say what they want up front: it’s always this Chinese water torture. Anyway, needless to say, Lion’s kitchen has been restored to full carnivorous glory!

There aren't holes in your pockets. It's called marriage.

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