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Yeah I probably wouldn’t hang with her anymore…that s~~~ is just rude. I’ve had guy “friends” do that s~~~ to me in the past as well, and I stopped hanging out with them as well. Its just annoying when the tagalongs you don’t find out about until they show up are people you’d never want to hang out with on your own time. In my case some of the friends of friends were just trouble makers…people that if I hung around with would make me guilty of something stupid by association sooner or later, and I’d rather not have a criminal record or some random asshats f~~~ing with my car because they think I’m involved with some s~~~ty people.
All they have to say is “Bill and Jim might meet up with us later,” and its no problem, you can make your choice at that point whether to go or not, but they can’t do that. In this case its pretty obvious “Bill and Jim” were just druggies trying to bang her…people you obviously didn’t care for much and a situation you obviously didn’t want to be in. At least if you had a heads up “Bill and Jim” were coming, you could have just said have fun, we’ll hang out some other time.
I have some females that are just friends…but to be honest there really isn’t any attraction either way beyond friends so its cool(they all also happen to be 10+ years older than me lol). I’ve known them for a long time, they’re just people that are fun to go out to eat with or whatever once in a while just to shoot the s~~~ with. They don’t call me to do favors for them all the time or try to get me to pay when we go out…its really not bad if the boundaries are set. Of course I’ve also had plenty of females in the past that I’d never hang out with as just friends because even if I wasn’t attracted to them but they seemed fun in a group environment, its impossible to hang out with most girls around your age one on one without them thinking you want them, s~~~ testing you, making some drama, etc.
interaction is going to happen and I refuse to treat them like children when it does.
Jan’s right. You are playing with fire.
but she knows people in my industry and generally isn’t bad company.
And now she’s destroying you subversively, in your industry, and you don’t even know it. Doors will close for you and you won’t know why. Should have just disappeared.
One other thing, and mark this. If she is doing drugs with a bunch of guys (and she IS, believe me), she is getting DPed by them.
100%.
One other thing, and mark this. If she is doing drugs with a bunch of guys (and she IS, believe me), she is getting DPed by them.
100%.
Lol so true. You don’t just get “good girls” who hang out with druggies and aren’t doing drugs themselves. Its like being sober and hanging out with someone who is drunk…its just f~~~ing boring and annoying. Yeah you’ll take your night as DD for buddies on occasion as long as they return the favor, but if you don’t drink hanging out with drunks gets old fast. I doubt drugs are any different, and in fact its even worse than drunks because if someone brings illegal s~~~ into your car or home you could be facing legal trouble if the law becomes involved in any way.
A guy I know recently tried to set me up with some chick who I’ve known in passing for a few years but never really had more than a minute long conversation with. She just broke up with her boyfriend a few months ago and is looking…but the problem is her ex was a meth head. The guy tried to tell me “she’s a good girl.” I politely declined, but in my head I’m just thinking LOL no f~~~ing way…you don’t just live with a meth head for two years and live with it as acceptable behavior if you aren’t doing some s~~~ yourself. I really have very little motivation to date anyone at this point, let alone someone I know is or was very recently into some hard drugs.
I know she’s wondering why I haven’t taken a shot at her by now. I’ve made my lack of interest abundantly clear but you know how it is, girl’s gotta get a guy to jump at her so she can shoot him down and all that.
No thanks. If I want to bed a woman, I’ll make a pass in the first three minutes. And although my bed is a california king, there’s only room in my life for me.
This made me chuckle, but seriously she sounds like trouble. Even though you aren’t paying squat (I’m assuming since there are separate tabs), she is still getting your attention. The most expensive thing you can do is give a woman your attention.
If it costs you your peace of mind, then it is too expensive.
The most expensive thing you can do is give a woman your attention.
True, but it’s my attention to give to whom and to the degree that I see fit.
I’m not one of these MGTOW purists who beleive that excising women completely from my life is a meaningful objective. I’ve made this allegory before… riding my motorcycle around town is expensive and dangerous but I choose to do it because it’s enjoyable. I wouldn’t ride it across the country or sell my vehicle and ride it exclusively, but now and then, when the weather is fine and I’m in the mood, I’ll take it for a spin.
Same with women.
The day that the designation MGTOW means “no interaction with women under any circumstances” is the day I’ll stop using it. So far as I know, Men Going Their Own Way still refers to each individual man and HIS OWN way without concern for the ways that other men may choose to go themselves.
Believe me, after 30 years of dating and bedding hundreds of women without ever being married, producing a baby, getting a domestic violence charge or otherwise becoming beholden to a woman, I think I am both well aware of the dangers and capable of deciding for myself what level of risk I am prepared to incur.
And given that I’ve spent by now over a million dollars on vehicles, electronics, trips to foreign countries, toys and entertainment for myself, I think that no, giving a woman an hour of my attention is not the most expensive thing I can possibly do. That kind of scary rhetoric and the shaming that usually accompanies it are probably why half the guys on this site imagine themselves to be monks and are doing everything they can to attempt to avoid the inescapable reality that this world is half full of women.
Sorry you got the blast of this rant but I’ll keep saying it until people get their head out of their asses about trying to avoid women at all costs. Radical avoidance is just another brand of pathological attachment.
And now she’s destroying you subversively, in your industry, and you don’t even know it. Doors will close for you and you won’t know why. Should have just disappeared.
Wow, you guys really are afraid of women, aren’t you? Believe me, if anyone in my industry takes the word of a woman over the example of my skill and ability, I don’t want to work with them anyway.
You’d do well to remember that you’re a man and that other men don’t take the word of a scorned woman over the evidence of their own senses.
If she pushes you on it, just keep it simple, “I’m tired”, “I’m not feeling well” etc.
Nah. Tell her you promised another friend you’d hang out at her place tonight and chill with netflix. You have to hustle to go get some syrup before the stores close because she promised you pancakes for breakfast.
Knowing you’re leaving her to go f~~~ another woman will really mess with her. It will ruin her whole evening.
No need to get into all of that stuff about her being entertained etc.
Don’t make it about her at all.
Lying to a woman about f~~~ing another woman just to make her jealous.
Yeah, that’s better than the truth.
Lying to a woman about f~~~ing another woman just to make her jealous.
Lying?
And she just spent the entire evening in one giant s~~~ test trying to make you jealous.
Turnabout is fair f~~~ing play.
The fact that she can spend a whole evening in a bar failing at it while you can turn that s~~~ test right back around on her with a single sentence? Well that’s her problem, not yours.
And she just spent the entire evening in one giant s~~~ test trying to make you jealous. Turnabout is fair f~~~ing play.
No. “Turn-about” brings you down to her level and makes you no better than she is.
A virtuous man does not steal when he has been stolen from, he does not lash out in violence when violence has been done to him and he does not lie when he has been lied to. How can you condemn the actions of a female as being unethical when you turn around and behave exactly the way she does?
And, on top of that, a s~~~ test is not a lie. It is an instinctually driven response to prove the mettle of a potential mating partner. It’s not duplicity, it’s her nature. So your lying to her as a result of it would be an even worse act as there’s not even a thread of justification.
Honestly. Is this what MGTOW has become? Men throwing away their ethics just to spite women? It’s sad.
No. “Turn-about” brings you down to her level and makes you no better than she is.
Oh please. Quit with the pseudoethical condescending white knight bulls~~~ Polyanna. It’s not about “levels”. It’s teaching her a well deserved lesson, whether she learns it or not.
If she gets jealous over you seeing another women, that’s entirely on her. Envy is the cardinal sin. Being the subject of envy is not.
You are the better man simply by not getting jealous. She could prove herself a better woman by doing the same, but they never, ever do.
And, on top of that, a s~~~ test is not a lie.
It is when she lies to s~~~ test you. Do you really think she was honestly interested in any of those men she was using to s~~~ test you by trying to make you jealous? Because it seems to me her primary interest there was pretending to be interested in them so as to make you jealous. Because otherwise she wouldn’t have given a f~~~ when you got up to leave. She wouldn’t have tried to gauge your reaction.
That is lying.
it’s her nature.
And that makes it all right? That makes it acceptable?
We’re supposed to be human beings. We’re supposed to have the intellect (and ethics) to transcend our base nature. Why do you think women should get a pussy pass on that?
Moreover, even if it is their nature, it’s still unacceptable behavior. Stinging you is in a scorpions nature. Does this mean you allow the scorpion to sting you unmolested? Does this mean you don’t squash the scorpion instead?
Well it’s in my nature to correct a woman when she’s trying to be a manipulative bitch. It’s the only way they’ll learn.
Honestly. Is this what MGTOW has become? Men throwing away their ethics just to spite women? It’s sad.
Honestly, grow the f~~~ up.
How is it “throwing away ethics” to tell a woman you have someone else you’re planning on spending the night with?
F~~~ing white knight bulls~~~.
Button pushed, it would seem.
“Down to her level” means by making up a lie about getting laid in order to make a woman jealous, you’ve stooped not only to lying, but to lying for a pathetic cause… the very same pathetic cause you’re accusing her of.
That is sad and it’s even more sad that you can’t see it.
This has nothing to do with what the woman does, it’s all about what you… as a man… choose to do. In my case, I felt the woman was being rude to me by inviting me to be social then ditching me to tart it up with some other guys. The point was that even though I’d made the effort to treat this woman like a regular person, she couldn’t control her female nature and tried to make it into a dick swinging contest.
My response was to leave and then to later point out the undesirable behavior when prompted. I then made this post to underscore the point.
Nothing that this person did changes anything about my ethics. What could I POSSIBLY gain by attempting to “get even” with her by concocting a pathetic lie (“Well I’m getting laid, so nyah!”) aside from playing right into her little game.
That you thought this was not only a good idea but that you’ve gone to such great effort to defend it is surprising and disappointing. “If a girl tries to make you jealous, you just make up some bulls~~~ and make her jealous right back!” What is that if NOT acting jealous?!
How is it “throwing away ethics” to tell a woman you have someone else you’re planning on spending the night with?”
It’s throwing away ethics because you MADE UP A LIE in order to TRY TO MAKE A WOMAN JEALOUS because you’re p~~~ed off that SHE TRIED TO MAKE YOU JEALOUS… and IT WORKED!
Can you not see that?
And nice shot with the “white knight” shaming tactic. I’m not even sure how you can claim I’m white knighting… I’m surely not defending her actions, just saying yours are worse. Saying “it’s her nature” is not the same as saying “It’s good and I approve of it.” Certainly you must know that. By saying “it’s her nature” I am making the point that this is what I should have expected so I take responsibility for my outcome but, at the same time, will not let it drive me to behave just as s~~~ty in response and then justify that s~~~ty response by saying “she started it.”
To me that is juvenile and degrading, on top of the lie being unethical. It’s how a woman would behave. Maybe using women’s tactics is just something you do all the time and that’s why you don’t see how that lessens you as a person. If that’s the case, then fair enough. Have fun with that.
“Down to her level” means by making up a lie about getting laid in order to make a woman jealous, you’ve stooped not only to lying, but to lying for a pathetic cause… the very same pathetic cause you’re accusing her of.
Oh. So that’s what you’re getting at. That’s just sad.
Did I say you make up a lie about it? Maybe you’re without options, but don’t make that assumption about everyone else Whitey Knightey.
The point I was trying to make, before you got all up in your presumptive high horse that everyone is as without options as you are, is that whatever reason you give her for bailing should have nothing to do with her. One of the easiest and most effective ways of doing that, which she absolutely cannot ignore, is by having your reason be about another woman. There are other things you could tell her, but I tend to go with what I know works.
In my case, I felt the woman was being rude to me by inviting me to be social then ditching me to tart it up with some other guys.
And then you went and made yourself her little beta bitch. Now I don’t normally use the terms alpha or beta because they’re generally bulls~~~, but f~~~ if you didn’t make beta apply to you to a f~~~ing T. Case in point:
On my way out I let her know I’m taking off and she says something to the effect of “Sorry, that’s how it goes when all the boys show up!” To which I replied “No big deal… you’ve got them all competing for your attention and I just don’t do that. Have fun and I’ll talk to you another time.”
That’s an obvious sour grapes response if ever there was one, and she damn well knew it. You just let her know in no uncertain terms that it’s all about her and you are her beta orbiting bitch. The fact that you were back bitingly p~~~y about it makes no difference.
Congratulations. You just failed her s~~~ test. and then you further f~~~ed up her follow up text by confirming it was all about her.
you MADE UP A LIE
Bulls~~~. Again, not lying. If you, yourself, don’t have an appropriate and effective truth to tell her, well then you need to make a better truth for yourself to tell, but don’t make the same assumptions of others.
And nice shot with the “white knight” shaming tactic. I’m not even sure how you can claim I’m white knighting
I’m not sure how you can think you’re anything but a white knight. All this babble about honor and bulls~~~ to save the feelings of some c~~~.
Saying “it’s her nature” is not the same as saying “It’s good and I approve of it.”
But it’s not correcting her for it either. It’s not applying consequences for her bad behavior.
That is what we call tacit approval. Look it up. You are approving her behavior by default.
Small wonder you’re her beta orbiting bitch with no options.
Let it go, sidecar. You’re done.
And now she’s destroying you subversively, in your industry, and you don’t even know it. Doors will close for you and you won’t know why. Should have just disappeared.
Wow, you guys really are afraid of women, aren’t you? Believe me, if anyone in my industry takes the word of a woman over the example of my skill and ability, I don’t want to work with them anyway.
You’d do well to remember that you’re a man and that other men don’t take the word of a scorned woman over the evidence of their own senses.
Maybe if we live in world that you describe, then there is no problem.
Problem is there is many men who take the word of a scorned woman over the evidence of their own senses.
Or maybe we just live in different country and area. It is sound advice for people in Spain.
The article linked many proof, but this is why Spain encourage false accusation.
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Because the law has created a whole industry around it, of which feminists depend more, since they receive money from the European union depending on how many accusations are made though the year, so they try to create as many as possible, no matter if they are false. In some cases, even the teams in charge of the investigations make false reports to increase the numbers of convicted men.
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1.300.000 Judicial procedures by 3.200€: 4.160.000.000€ from European Union
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http://justiciadegenero.com/en/the-industry-of-the-so-gender-violence/Rather then mocking men in MGTOW as scary cat, you should count your blessing your country/culture does not take the word of a scorned woman over the evidence. Because their fears is true.
There is no magic in MGTOW, just recognition of the truth and logical decision how to avoid dangers. The red pill is but the truth, it is no magical potion. Do not think in this modern world men have no longer have natural enemies, men are prey to women and government.
Let it go, sidecar. You’re done.
Spoken like a true beta orbiting bitch with nothing to say for himself. You don’t get to tell a man when he’s done. That’s for me to decide.
Now go cuddle your precious (in both senses of the word) flawed and empty sense of misdirected white knight honor, because it’s clear from where I’m standing that’s all you have, or will ever have.
Wow, you guys really are afraid of women, aren’t you? Believe me, if anyone in my industry takes the word of a woman over the example of my skill and ability, I don’t want to work with them anyway.
You’d do well to remember that you’re a man and that other men don’t take the word of a scorned woman over the evidence of their own senses.
Are you suggesting that there are no blue pill men in existence?
I wouldve left a lot sooner, with no good bye.
Shit Tested, Cunt Approved.
All this sh*t about virtuous men don’t go down to women’s level is a matter of how you handle situations in your life. As much as I like your view on things, Son of R’lyeh, virtue is a thing of the past unless you’re a really religious man. This strikes me as an unnecessary effort to prove to yourself that you’re better than her even after the BS she put you through.
When someone tries and steal something from you but fails miserably, you can either tell this person to go away or throw a punch first and then tell this person to go away. Either way, you’re better than this person. Throwing a punch back if you want to doesn’t change the situation, you could even say that it is deserved.
I think the same applies here, lying to her and throwing her sh*t test back at her is vicious but deserved.Judging other men as spiteful and shallow for their potential handling of the situation just because you didn’t “fight back” and elevating yourself above them is misplaced arrogance if you ask me. But what do I know, huh?
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