Friends Without Benefits

[StargazerParticipant 12505]

Just a quick reminder of why you can’t even be friends with females.

I went out to a local bar last night where I met up with a female aquaintance for a drink. I am not attracted to her nor would I ever consider dating or being physically involved with her, but she knows people in my industry and generally isn’t bad company.

We arrive in separate cars, place separate orders and open separate tabs then sit at the bar and talk for a bit about nothing in particular. After about 30 minutes, two other guys she knows come in, she introduces us and they join us without being invited.

As soon as they sit down, she starts acting drunk and flirtatious toward the both of them, clearly encouraging them to vie for the opportunity to entertain her. I sit and watch as she plays with both of them, takes drinks out of their hands, makes innuendos, teases them and basically works them against each other for attention. A couple of times she tries to rope me into their “conversation” but I abstain, satisfied to finish my drink and talk with the bar owner and the bartender who is a friend of mine.

She gets no more attention from me for the rest of the night and I leave shortly after two more of her guy friends show up and start talking about what drugs they’re planning to do later. That’s my cue to go.

On my way out I let her know I’m taking off and she says something to the effect of “Sorry, that’s how it goes when all the boys show up!” To which I replied “No big deal… you’ve got them all competing for your attention and I just don’t do that. Have fun and I’ll talk to you another time.”

Today I got a terse sounding text from her explaining how they’re just friends blah blah, how we roll blah blah, love them all like brothers blah blah and I wrote back “Relax, I didn’t say they were trying to f~~~ you, I was just giving you s~~~ for having them compete for you.”

The moral of the story: women hate it when you ignore them, especially if you’re not trying to f~~~ them. And they hate it when their jealousy tactics don’t work… but most of all, they hate it when you tell them to calm down. Oh boy do they hate that. It’s my favorite.

Thanks for reading.

[Mr.KraftParticipant 236]

Nice replies btw. It is good to see a fellow guy to stand up to a c~~~.

Other than that I agree 100%. If your P does not go in her V, there is absolutely no reason you should be spending time with any woman other than your mother or close relatives (and even those should be treating you with respect).

Well done mate. WEll done. It is good to see guys who have some b~~~~. This is why I keep coming back here.

BTW- her explaining herself means she wants your dick. Lol I am sure if you make a pass at that she wont resist….much ahahahaha

[StargazerParticipant 12505]

I know she’s wondering why I haven’t taken a shot at her by now. I’ve made my lack of interest abundantly clear but you know how it is, girl’s gotta get a guy to jump at her so she can shoot him down and all that.

No thanks. If I want to bed a woman, I’ll make a pass in the first three minutes. And although my bed is a california king, there’s only room in my life for me.

[AwakenedParticipant 35202]

Stargazer wrote:

The moral of the story:

-is you should have just said “bye”.

No need to explain to her WHY you are leaving. If she pushes you on it, just keep it simple, “I’m tired”, “I’m not feeling well” etc. No need to get into all of that stuff about her being entertained etc. You might be sending her the WRONG signal like you’re jealous or whatever the hell might be going around in her drunk hamster wheel. Keep it simple for the simple minded.

In a World of Justin Beibers Be a Johnny Cash

[StargazerParticipant 12505]

Awakened wrote:

No need to explain to her WHY you are leaving. If she pushes you on it, just keep it simple, “I’m tired”, “I’m not feeling well” etc.

I’m not the passive aggressive type. We had a plan, she changed it, I let her know I was not okay with that. I’d say the same thing to you or anyone in the same situation.

I’m up front about my state, take it or leave it. If her wheel is still spinning who cares, it was going to spin anyway… but not because I walked out in a juvenile huff without communicating my piece.

I have one rule that I try to live by when it comes to dealing with social situations: If there’s an issue, talk about it as soon as possible. There’s one chance to get the word in or correct the s~~~ty behavior and then all bets are off. I’m not about to let that chance go by in my own life and I grant the same courtesy to others.

[Jan SobieskiParticipant 28791]

Brother, you are asking for trouble.

Love is just alimony waiting to happen. Visit mgtow.com.

[AwakenedParticipant 35202]

Stargazer wrote:

I have one rule that I try to live by when it comes to dealing with social situations: If there’s an issue, talk about it as soon as possible.

This works with rational logical people. Most (99%) women are neither rational nor logical.

In a World of Justin Beibers Be a Johnny Cash

[Big Viking Chef BVCParticipant 1286]

Jan Sobieski wrote:

I have one rule that I try to live by when it comes to dealing with social situations: If there’s an issue, talk about it as soon as possible. There’s one chance to get the word in or correct the s~~~ty behavior and then all bets are off. I’m not about to let that chance go by in my own life and I grant the same courtesy to others.

You just admitted that there was an “issue”. Better to just let her know the truth that there is no issue with a simple “gotta go now, something came up.”

My point is that she is looking for attention. She WILL confuse your disgust for jealousy.

BVC

NOTE: Quote was of Son of R’Iyeh… not Jan

Swallow this RED PILL ===> Men will lay down their lives for their brothers, their women and their children. This makes Men useful as slaves. Women will lay down their lives for ONLY their children. To expect more from women is just a FANTASY created by society and reinforced by the unconditional love that we experienced from our Mothers. The key to freedom is the understanding that the woman you meet is not going to fantastically love you like your Mother did. If you buy into the fantasy, then she is your new master. If you do not buy into the fantasy, then she is nothing, and you retain your freedom.

[narwhalParticipant]

Really hard to tell what the situation was without being there. However, it sounds like the plan was to hang out with each other, and yes, it is rather rude to turn into a group thing. She new it too, otherwise she would not have thrown out that weak apology. She tried to blame on the others, but yet she had control of the situation.

If she had made it clear that there would be other people at the bar that you all were hanging out with, that would be different. However, still not cool when you hang out with a friend, and she’s trying to recruit you as an orbiter. I’ve had women try and do that to me before…act like they are interested (friends or more) and then try and place you in the friendzone.

And they are good about maintaining plausible deniability. They know exactly what they are doing, but make sure that they do nothing that they can’t deny. So there is no point really calling them out on their s~~~, just walk away.

Ok. Then do it.

[FrostByteParticipant 19005]

The issue I have with (most) female friends is that at some point I become a utility to them. It’s in their nature. They start feigning weakness for help with physical things or stupidity for help with intellectual things. If I get a call from a female friend I think, ‘what does she want from me now?’. So I am slowly ghosting away from the ones that don’t reciprocate the help. To be fair I have few long term female friends who were are like siblings or another guy and would drop everything to help me, but it takes years to build those types of relationships.

If you rescue a damsel in distress, all you will get is a distressed damsel.

[TaxGuyParticipant]

narwhal wrote:

However, still not cool when you hang out with a friend, and she’s trying to recruit you as an orbiter. I’ve had women try and do that to me before…act like they are interested (friends or more) and then try and place you in the friendzone.

That was my initial take as well. You aren’t an orbiter, but she wants you to be that at a minimum. “Friends” doesn’t make sense to a woman, but “just friends” does. Just friends means you want to bang her but she doesn’t want to bang you. Another way of saying orbiter.

So set up a little competition as a s~~~ test, which you failed with flying colors. Congratulations.

Order the good wine

[HitmanParticipant]

no benefits,
no friendship.
this one is trouble..
what drugs they are planning to do ?
NO BUENO.

[Freeman_KParticipant 3524]

It was 2008 and i was commenting on Digg, saying basically AWALT, never be friends with them, etc. Life has served me enough red pills to know.

It is now 2016 and I am snapping out of red pill rage because i violated my above rules and was put through rollecoaster by Lucifers daugter.

My moral is, once you know s~~~ know that this is like a garden. You need to water it to not let the truth slip out of consciousness.

The choices we make, not the chances we take, determine our destiny

[DorkShitParticipant 4353]

It’s her world. All about attention.

She was s~~~ testing you. Later she touched (spoke) to you to see if you were jealous. Gauge where you were on the spectrum of her affections.

This is how she figures out how you will fit into her stable.

Guys don’t become orbiters in the stable of affection by accident.

She is an expert at it. She does it for a living.

I wonder where her partner in crime ugly side kick girlfriend was?

From what you wrote it appears that you were just a vague potential acquisition. She was going to be there anyway so spending the early portion with you was better than being alone to her.

Peace brothers

[Anonymous 0]

I don’t go to bars unless it to watch the game and I’m very close to monk but that was a fun read. I enjoyed that! Thanks

[PistolPeteParticipant 27143]

Like M52 I liked the read. This was well played on your part. But friendship with women? Impossible. Reason below:

Friend is defined as:
a person attached to another by feelings of affection or personal regard.// women are selfish, self-seeking narcissists incapable of honor, truth, or compassion

a person who gives assistance; patron; supporter: When they can get something out of it for themselves, women are never altruistic.

a person who is on good terms with another; a person who is not hostile:Women really do hate themselves and us—they only love our wallets.

[TuneoutParticipant]

PistolPete wrote:

Like M52 I liked the read. This was well played on your part. But friendship with women? Impossible. Reason below:

Friend is defined as:
a person attached to another by feelings of affection or personal regard.// women are selfish, self-seeking narcissists incapable of honor, truth, or compassion

a person who gives assistance; patron; supporter: When they can get something out of it for themselves, women are never altruistic.

a person who is on good terms with another; a person who is not hostile:Women really do hate themselves and us—they only love our wallets.

Its hard enough to find a good male friend that fits the description but a female one?

Don’t even waste you’re time trying!

Lifes a bitch,but you don't have to marry one!

[experiencedParticipant]

Lets play ping pong.
OK where?
That four way intersection over there.

Lets hang out.
OK where?
The bar where all my guy friends show up.

Drop her
Nothing is a coincidence with women. Nothing.

"It seems like there's times a body gets struck down so low, there ain't a power on earth that can ever bring him up again. Seems like something inside dies so he don't even want to get up again. But he does."

[StargazerParticipant 12505]

Awakened wrote:

This works with rational logical people. Most (99%) women are neither rational nor logical

True that. But I still treat them as though they were. It’s entertaining to me because they get so upset when you treat them like adults but I have to live in this world and this world if half full of women. I’m not moving to the woods or hiding in the cellar to avoid them… interaction is going to happen and I refuse to treat them like children when it does.

And hey, if someone else can get a chuckle or learn a lesson or feel like they’re smarter than me as a result, then so be it. We can all benefit.

[John Woods 13Participant 2855]

All in all it’s a draw. It’s rarethat I want to agree with opposite arguments but you all have very good arguments. Very nice thread indeed.
While I don’t believe in and would not recommend having a female ‘just friend’ I can see where the OP is coming from.

The answer is NO. “I could but I won’t”. Memini murum!

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