Female Pilot

[Anonymous 11]

I had one flight in a Cessna 182 with an expert male pilot where we had a cargo jet right behind us on final approach. ATC told us to come in hot, and he would not wave us off. I remember pulling off the runway onto the taxi way with this monster jet just right behind us braking on the runway.

I’m sure the jet pilot was cursing us all the way in on his final approach.

[Anonymous 2]

Thank you Old Sage.
The Loss wasn’t just mine but to us all as people. Tradegys suck no matter who is involved.

[Anonymous 54]

As a Biker I know the feeling. When one of us gets it, we all feel it.

[AutoliteParticipant]

Anonymous wrote:

It sounds like she stalled and spun in from the video. This can happen to anyone. Stalls at low altitude are usually fatal. I don’t think her being female is what caused this. A fellow aviator and others lives were lost. Please have respect for them. RIP!

I watched the video and I couldn’t see any other reason for the crash either. The traffic pattern was a little tight but she was routed in a way as to avoid conflicting traffic. I thought maybe wake turbulence from the bigger jets but where she was in the pattern, that shouldn’t really have been an issue either.

It just sounds like she stalled and lost it.

It can happen to anybody. A few years a go, a Dash 8 full of pax thundered-in killing everyone on-board. The pilot was a man and the co-pilot was a female. It was the pilot’s fault.

The pilot was casually yapping away with the co-pilot about non-relevant bulls~~~ while they where on final in icing conditions. The pilot had neglected to set the aircraft’s stall warning indicator (stick shaker) to the higher airspeed required when there’s a chance of ice forming on the wings.

Due to inattention, the plane was icing-up and the wings stalled before the stall warning indicator activated. And the pilot tried to avert the stall condition by pulling NOSE UP (instead of pushing nose down).

Basically it was negligence, inattention and improper control of the aircraft on the part of the pilot that got everybody killed…

[sidecarParticipant 35862]

Anonymous wrote:

The controller put her in a bad situation. You don’t put a small plane between 2 larger faster ones. By the time you get configured to land, the other plane is up your tail end. It’s a shame for the lose of life.

Exactly. This was at least half the ATC’s fault. The tower was constantly redirecting her for the convenience of the commercial traffic when it should have slightly inconvenienced one of those commercial flights for the safety of the cirrus. At about the three minute mark they should have realized there was an issue here and prioritized getting this obvious problem aircraft down out of the sky.

[TwistParticipant]

Well, she landed better than JFK Jr.

Come to think of it, looking over and seeing a Kennedy at the wheel of any kind of vehicle must be kinda terrifying…

[Chaff/FlareParticipant 3235]

I agree with SC. The controllers were confusing as hell especially after the turn left 30 bulls~~~. Then what the f~~~ was the controller doing telling her she “can’t make it from there”. They flustered her. Having said that, two things: a pilot should never “stall” unless he wants to. Period. And She was not assertive enough either, when s~~~ is that f~~~ed up, tell the controllers you want to f~~~ing hold north of the field till they can make a hole.

aviate, navigate, communicate

In that order every time. Had she been taught that, they would be alive

When you find yourself in the majority, it's time to reflect.

[Chaff/FlareParticipant 3235]

And she missed a lot of radio calls. Makes the controllers want to baby you. You don’t miss calls like that in a congested environment

When you find yourself in the majority, it's time to reflect.

[MattNYCParticipant 2329]

Samsquanch wrote:

I think she probably throttled down too far to make the landing, stalled, and couldn’t recover.

Thank you for explaining this. I don’t know much about air traffic and such, but seeing the end of the video – looks like the plane is dropping vertically out of the sky.

[Anonymous 2]

Not to drag the thread, but to answer your post Matt that is what happens when you stall and spin in. A rapid vertical drop. Stalls and spin are perfectly recoverable if you have altitude. She didn’t being in the traffic pattern and low. Just a hell of a lot of things went wrong.

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