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So, my Mother visited me today…
I’m 29 and she is double my age. I’ve been through enough bulls~~~ in past relations~~~s that I’ve drawn a line under them entirely, opting for a life of blissful solitude rather than wade back into the no-mans land of dating. My Mother knows this, and knows all about how I’ve been dragged over hot coals through court over my child, and how I used to jump through hoops like a lovesick puppy trying to catch a surefooted unicorn. In brief, she knows my views on manipulative women, and moreover, my opinion on the traditionalist bulls~~~ of “a real man” being one who spoils and dotes on their female, showering them in affection, frittering their away money on dates, and basically being a slave to a vagina wielding masochist. She claims to understand my logic, to approve of my stance and opinion.
Alas, back to the topic at hand. Today she visited me and my daughter, and initiated a conversation about my older sisters latest romance. The gist of the conversation was: “He is a real man because when they go out, he refuses to let her pay for anything. He works a well paying job, yet he comes home and does most of the cleaning and cooking. He spoils her and treats her with lavish gifts. He says he’s going to get them a new home, and he’ll pay to decorate and furnish it all. He is how a real man should be, not like these wasters who don’t appreciate their woman. A true gentleman.”
Now the crux of this discussion is the fact it focuses on family; namely the views and attitudes of my Mother and my Sister. It was an awkward exchange of my Mother speaking, and my grunting disinterestedly – simply because everything I was hearing filled me with contempt, and I was silently confident anything I replied would be negative and confrontational. It was painful to hear, my Mother who has always professed to fully condone my view on modern dating, and approve of my reluctance to bow to the traditionalist commodity of “the disposable man breaking his back to afford an undeserving woman a life of luxury and relaxation”, suddenly turning about face on the subject to approve of my sister willingly allowing her new partner to be her doormat. At the same time, it frustrated me to view my sister in much the same way as I tar every other woman.
I’m just curious as to how other MGTOW deal with female family members where romantic involvement is concerned? How do you stomach conversations such as the above? Do you confront family members over your views, or just keep quiet and try to move the discussion along onto something else?
No-one's yet explained to me exactly what's so great // About slaving fifty years away on something that you hate // About meekly shuffling down the path of mediocrity // Well if that's your road then take it, but it's not the road for me.
Anonymous42He is a real man because when they go out, he refuses to let her pay for anything. He works a well paying job, yet he comes home and does most of the cleaning and cooking. He spoils her and treats her with lavish gifts. He says he’s going to get them a new home, and he’ll pay to decorate and furnish it all. He is how a real man should be, not like these wasters who don’t appreciate their woman. A true gentleman.
What the actual f~~~!?!? I bet he’ll walk by a starving homeless brother and NOT GIVE A F~~~! I know the type! Syberdyne Mangina Systems, Model T-101!
how other MGTOW deal with female family members where romantic involvement is concerned? How do you stomach conversations such as the above? Do you confront family members over your views, or just keep quiet and try to move the discussion along onto something else?
I found their tentacles reach past your family member and into your life when you find out what they’re really like.
I don’t care for most women after I get to know them on a personal level, they’re narcissistic and ungrateful for the most part, sometimes they can hide it well and comes out many years later when they try to pull a stunt on me, then they go in the MG-Tower Incinerator and up in smoke! I totally freeze them out of my kindness forever. I put them on MG-Tower starvation rations, enough to not anger them and let the relationship slowly die. I don’t like to slam doors and make scenes, I’d rather let the hinges and locks rust and stay shut. I decay the relationship as fast as safely possible. I fade away into distant relative obscurity.
It’s a great life when you remove the people that spoil the mood.
I’m a happy guy!
Two years ago when I broke up with a woman I had been dating for less than two months my sister told me that If I broke up that I was no better than the man that raped my sister. I slammed my fist down on the table and called her on her bulls~~~ statement.
I was told I had a bad temper because of this and was a potential abuser. I found this website that night and have not looked back, my sister and I have spoken once in the two years since and I want as little contact with her as I have to.
My mom was present when my sister said this and was shocked that she said it although I’m not entirely convinced that my mom doesn’t think it’s ok even though she tells me the opposite, never forget the hive mind.
Sounds like your mom is playing both sides like I suspect mine is.
"what a waste of a life, to marry, give up your freedom, just for the hope of not dying alone. Don't get married Son."
everything I was hearing filled me with contempt
And rightfully so. Loaded with red flags…..
“He is a real man because when they go out, he refuses to let her pay for anything. He works a well paying job, yet he comes home and does most of the cleaning and cooking. He spoils her and treats her with lavish gifts. He says he’s going to get them a new home, and he’ll pay to decorate and furnish it all. He is how a real man should be, not like these wasters who don’t appreciate their woman. A true gentleman.”
Whenever a woman uses the term “REAL MAN” and what she thinks “REAL MAN” would do…. it is ALWAYS in the context of him as –>> a tool for her use and benefit. This conditioning begins in the crib and your mother continues it still today. So does mine. But we know better.
I would smile and simply ask “What would YOU know about being a REAL MAN?”
“The Manipulated Man” by Esther Vilar.
Look for the PDF online. Read it.anything I replied would be negative and confrontational
Its’ only PERCEIVED as such. But what if you reply with THE TRUTH?
…. or even a knowing SMILE, because you know exactly what’s going on here.I’m just curious as to how other MGTOW deal with female family members where romantic involvement is concerned?
Less than two weeks ago, my Mom littered my mailbox with something she called “wisdom about women” which was written by William Golding – Author of Lord of the Flies. The quote was prefaced as coming from a man with a “lifetime of experience about women”…. but he was actually married to only ONE woman for 54 years. Even my lifetime is filled with far more experience with women than that.
He said:
“I think women are foolish to pretend they are equal to men. They are far superior and always have been. Whatever you give a woman, she will make greater. If you give her sperm, she’ll give you a baby. If you give her a house, she’ll give you a home. If you give her groceries, she’ll give you a meal. If you give her a smile, she’ll give you her heart. She multiplies and enlarges what is given to her. So, if you give her any crap, be prepared to receive a ton of s~~~!”
Naturally, I read that with a condescending eyebrow raise and disapproving inward breath…. and then I rolled up my sleeves and composed a reply:
“But what if you give her sperm and she has an abortion? Is that called “making it greater?” What if you give her a house and she wants a divorce ( like my cousin after 28 years of marriage + 3 kids ) and kicks you out of your own “HOME” so she can continue to live in it while you pay all the bills? What if you give her groceries and she says can’t (or won’t) cook? Is that your idea of “making it greater”? So, when you send me any crap, be prepared to receive a ton of s~~~.”
How do you like that.
She had nothing further to add.How do you stomach conversations such as the above? Do you confront family members over your views, or just keep quiet and try to move the discussion along onto something else?
I don’t “confront them” unless they’re trying to corner me. I usually respond with a question that simply holds a mirror up to this kind of bulls~~~. They have very little to say after that.
You have to realize she doesn’t know what she’s saying. It’s automatic. As long as it includes female worship, they just automatically assume it’s true. Laughter and applause will always follow.
Today, I sent her a bunch of flowers for Mother’s Day – as usual.
The card said “Have a superior day”.If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.He is a real man because when they go out, he refuses to let her pay for anything. He works a well paying job, yet he comes home and does most of the cleaning and cooking. He spoils her and treats her with lavish gifts. He says he’s going to get them a new home, and he’ll pay to decorate and furnish it all. He is how a real man should be, not like these wasters who don’t appreciate their woman. A true gentleman.”
And yet your sister, with the support of her female friends and family, will surely destroy him.
RIP real man. Maybe he will find his way here.
Anonymous2AB, a woman will never condone a man not to have a female in his life. No matter what they say. My mom tries the same s~~~, about how I need a nice lady. I blow it off. I tell her that with working 60 hrs a week and my daughter I don’t have time. They can’t understand how a man can blow off the mighty vagina. Yes even moms thinks this even though they won’t say it to us as their sons. I haven’t dated in 2 yrs almost and mine tries to sneak in once in a while. ” I know a nice lady you should meet”. I run through my list of questions and criteria to meet and its quickly squashed. I guess men having standards just to be willing to meet a female is “sexist”!
These are just some of the ways I deal with things you know your family best. I stick to your guns and do your thing. Raise your daughter right and show her what a good man is. That’s what I try to do. They the best investment we have is them. I know what men will think when I type this but as a single dad of this generation maybe just maybe we can raise a good generation of young women who have a little respect for men and themselves. Its all we can hope for. Good luck Brother.Haha I love that analogy!
…they go in the MG-Tower Incinerator and up in smoke! I totally freeze them out of my kindness forever. I put them on MG-Tower starvation rations, enough to not anger them and let the relationship slowly die. I don’t like to slam doors and make scenes, I’d rather let the hinges and locks rust and stay shut. I decay the relationship as fast as safely possible. I fade away into distant relative obscurity.
I am much the same in knowing better than to raise the ire of a female with the full backing of the law behind her. You shout, then you’re the bad guy. You break something, you’re definitely the bad guy. You step out of what she deems acceptable and the police will be arresting you for harassment or domestic violence before you can clear your throat. It’s easier to smother the flower and prevent it flourishing, withholding nutrition and allowing it too wither, than smashing the pot and stamping all over flowerbed. It never takes long before another sucker comes along to distract her, then she can return to social media and boast about how you “weren’t man enough” and it’s “your loss”. Heh.
The issue for me is that it involves family; I cannot (and do not) want to ostracise my Mother or Sister. But neither do I enjoy walking on eggshells tactfully to avoid confrontation. Ugh.
No-one's yet explained to me exactly what's so great // About slaving fifty years away on something that you hate // About meekly shuffling down the path of mediocrity // Well if that's your road then take it, but it's not the road for me.
“The Manipulated Man” by Esther Vilar.
Indeed I’ve already read this Keymaster, I saw it mentioned whilst waiting for approval of joining; I consumed the entire book in about 1.5hrs and posted snippets on social media much to the annoyance and denial of most female “friends”. Heh.
“But what if you give her sperm and she has an abortion? Is that called “making it greater?” What if you give her a house and she wants a divorce ( like my cousin after 28 years of marriage + 3 kids ) and kicks you out of your own “HOME” so she can continue to live in it while you pay all the bills? What if you give her groceries and she says can’t (or won’t) cook? Is that your idea of “making it greater”? So, when you send me any crap, be prepared to receive a ton of s~~~.”
That is golden and truly epitomises the double standard of bulls~~~ they throw around as “female empowerment”.
You have to realize she doesn’t know what she’s saying. It’s automatic. As long as it includes female worship, they just automatically assume it’s true. Laughter and applause will always follow.
That is the one buddy, female worship is the “norm” for most blue pills. To me it just grinds my gears!
No-one's yet explained to me exactly what's so great // About slaving fifty years away on something that you hate // About meekly shuffling down the path of mediocrity // Well if that's your road then take it, but it's not the road for me.
My mom tries the same s~~~, about how I need a nice lady. I blow it off. I tell her that with working 60 hrs a week and my daughter I don’t have time. They can’t understand how a man can blow off the mighty vagina. Yes even moms thinks this even though they won’t say it to us as their sons. I haven’t dated in 2 yrs almost and mine tries to sneak in once in a while. ” I know a nice lady you should meet”. I run through my list of questions and criteria to meet and its quickly squashed. I guess men having standards just to be willing to meet a female is “sexist”!
That is something I can relate to – she always comes with the: “you’ll meet the right woman one day, and everything will be rainbows and sunshine”. I usually just acknowledge it with raised eyebrows and a disproving roll of the eyes.
Raise your daughter right and show her what a good man is. That’s what I try to do. They the best investment we have is them. I know what men will think when I type this but as a single dad of this generation maybe just maybe we can raise a good generation of young women who have a little respect for men and themselves. Its all we can hope for.
Indeed brother, preach that. I owe it to her to counter her Mother’s predictable psycho babble about men being deplorable. The irony being that her Mother has had multiple relations~~~s since my daughters birth, including having her call the new partner “Dad” much to my frustration… of course I never let her know it bothers me – she’d only twist the thumbscrews.
No-one's yet explained to me exactly what's so great // About slaving fifty years away on something that you hate // About meekly shuffling down the path of mediocrity // Well if that's your road then take it, but it's not the road for me.
Yes even moms thinks this even though they won’t say it to us as their sons
What a “mom” should be doing is being more interested in the well being of her son and HIS best interests. The fact they repeatedly try this s~~~ – knowing the system is stacked against you – is quite sickening.
Fathers don’t do that. Fathers actually SELL OUT and BETRAY other men for the good and protection of their daughters. Even when it isn’t true, he will instill fear and paranoia in her to “beware” before she even starts dating.
But your mother KNOWS what women are like.
And she wants the worst for you anyway.It’s quite unbelievable.
If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.To me it just grinds my gears!
After a while , it becomes exhausting and the gears wind down.
You learn to shrug it off.I have found that keeping the relationship “professional” is the best way to handle it. “Hi Mom. How are you? That’s nice. Looks like we’ll get rain today. I had waffles for breakfast. Well, gotta run! Take care.”
Be the “professional son” – keep it on the surface – and don’t permit her to go there.
If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.But your mother KNOWS what women are like.
And she wants the worst for you anyway.It’s quite unbelievable.
Yup, that’s the one!
Fathers don’t do that. Fathers actually SELL OUT and BETRAY other men for the good and protection of their daughters. Even when it isn’t true, he will instill fear and paranoia in her to “beware” before she even starts dating.
This is what I’m going to try my hardest to avoid; I want her to recognise what a decent bloke is compared to a scumbag. And to clarify, we all accept there are domestically violent males out there, and even rapists. Not the numbers that feminism claims, but they do exist; and naturally I’m going to broach awareness of that, but hopefully not raise her to vilify every male before giving them a chance.
No-one's yet explained to me exactly what's so great // About slaving fifty years away on something that you hate // About meekly shuffling down the path of mediocrity // Well if that's your road then take it, but it's not the road for me.
I have found that keeping the relationship “professional” is the best way to handle it.
It is difficult, as I am sure you can appreciate with families it often is (though admittedly compounded by my own opinions). I could entertain you with specifics now, but I’m sure they’d be more suited to separate topics further down the road. In brief, my Mother is the guardian of my nephew (my stepsister’s kid) and he has no involvement from either biological parent. I have practically raised him as his male role model from birth, and with him residing with her, we do spend notable time in each others company. My Mother has been a “lesbian” for about 20yrs and lives with her female partner; I can’t bring myself to leave him at their mercy to be raised as the most conditioned and malleable male imaginable.
No-one's yet explained to me exactly what's so great // About slaving fifty years away on something that you hate // About meekly shuffling down the path of mediocrity // Well if that's your road then take it, but it's not the road for me.
My mother used to ask if I was dating and I would simply reply that I wasn’t interested in losing half my stuff and starting over again. She rarely mentions it now.
They do play both sides though. After my divorce my mother voiced her opinion on how unfair it was that my ex had gotten what she had gotten (House, car, 401K and about 19K in savings) I got to keep my pension. She couldn’t believe that I wasn’t going to “fight for more” and I explained to her how the law was and she felt that it wasn’t right. Fast forward a few years later and my older sister was thinking about divorce and my mom made the statement that my sister should take everything that she can from him. My sister never did ANYTHING with her life and her husband has always made more money than her. Oh yeah, the timing of this was peculiar too. Their youngest was off to college.
In the end, the hive mentality always wins.Feminism isn't about equality with men, it's about leverage over men.
My Mother has been a “lesbian” for about 20yrs and lives with her female partner
Well then you could have all kinds of fun with that.
Why not tell think you’re gay and shut her up forever?Maybe you could lecture her on a what a “REAL WOMAN” does.
I can’t believe she would lecture you on what a “real man” does when – even in lesbian relationships – women LEAVE in droves worldwide (165% more often than straight relationships) proving “traditional relationships” are nothing but a business and a bottom line.
Take special note on lesbian relationships at 18:45
If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.Fast forward a few years later and my older sister was thinking about divorce and my mom made the statement that my sister should take everything that she can from him. My sister never did ANYTHING with her life and her husband has always made more money than her.
Ugh. The horrendous truth is that this is the norm. Women condone other women fleecing men, and condemn men for not submitting to their every demand.
No-one's yet explained to me exactly what's so great // About slaving fifty years away on something that you hate // About meekly shuffling down the path of mediocrity // Well if that's your road then take it, but it's not the road for me.
Why not tell think you’re gay and shut her up forever?
Heh, she’d likely try to pair me up with another man and treat me as a female, encouraging me to hook a man I can take advantage of. Such is the logic of women.
I’ll give that video a watch, thanks!
No-one's yet explained to me exactly what's so great // About slaving fifty years away on something that you hate // About meekly shuffling down the path of mediocrity // Well if that's your road then take it, but it's not the road for me.
“He is a real man because when they go out, he refuses to let her pay for anything. He works a well paying job, yet he comes home and does most of the cleaning and cooking. He spoils her and treats her with lavish gifts. He says he’s going to get them a new home, and he’ll pay to decorate and furnish it all. He is how a real man should be, not like these wasters who don’t appreciate their woman. A true gentleman.”
He’s not a “real man” or a “true gentleman”. On the contrary, your sister is a lazy whore. He’s just her chump.
Tell your mother exactly that.
Then tell her that if she persists in those vile, whorish opinions, she doesn’t have any place in your life and especially has no place in your daughter’s life. You do not want her poisoning your daughter with that bulls~~~, turning her into a whore as well. Especially not since your daughter is of a generation where whores will not do well for themselves. MGTOW will make certain of that.
Take special note on lesbian relationships at 18:45
I found that video to purely solidify my existing views on marriages and modern day parenting.
My Mother is the fem; this ironically supports the dynamic and hive mind mentality of her entitled views. Her partner, the dom, is naturally aggressive, confrontational, “protective”. It amuses me further realising that since her partner is disabled (from slipped discs in her spine), neither of them require men to be their “provider”, as they simply live off the state. They have no incentive to look for further courtship from males, as their “resources” are provided without the need for it, further adding to the subtext of the video regarding Briffault’s Law. I’ve never really considered that until now. They do not need men for sustenance, hence neither of them pursue it.
No-one's yet explained to me exactly what's so great // About slaving fifty years away on something that you hate // About meekly shuffling down the path of mediocrity // Well if that's your road then take it, but it's not the road for me.
He’s not a “real man” or a “true gentleman”. On the contrary, your sister is a lazy whore.
To be fair, my sister does work and always has done (aside from immediately following the suicide of her husband (and during the marriage she was actually the provider)) – she doesn’t sit around living off of men… generally. Though the sentiment rings true. She is ultimately willing to pay for his “gentlemanly nature” with her vagina, so in summary, the whore part holds value. My Mother refers to this as her “entitlement” as she was married to a man who never upheld the traditionalist (bulls~~~) views that she clearly holds behind closed doors.
The good old: “She has never been treated like this before, it’s about time a real man did right by her”.
Ugh.
No-one's yet explained to me exactly what's so great // About slaving fifty years away on something that you hate // About meekly shuffling down the path of mediocrity // Well if that's your road then take it, but it's not the road for me.
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