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Saw videos on the tearing down of Confederate leaders on YouTube. Is it any supprise that a war fought for freedom action and self determination should be erased from history?
In school I was taught that the civil war was all about the right to own slaves – Period.
Therefore the Confederacy were obviously the Bad Guys and Good Triumphed over Evil. No Argument there.
However,
recent travels led to many discussions as to the real cause of the war, and this boiled down to the right of the individual states to decide their own laws according to the needs of their people. I was told that the Southern States had no voice in the election of Abraham Lincoln so felt no obligation to comply with his rule, (If this is wrong let me know), thereby putting themselves into the position of being Rebels.
The idea that any rebellion against the all powerful Federal State could be possible is obviously something that our leaders would rather erase from history. Although government forces were not active in tearing down the statues, they also did nothing to prevent it.
It seems to me that we are approaching a new era of permitted Group Think. I liken this to the predictions of George Orwell in his book 1984. In the book, the past was continually rewritten to fit the policies of the current leader. No one had access to any independent information that predated the Leader.
This is what I see today. The past being destroyed in the same way thyat ISIS destroyed the monuments of ancient pre Islamic History. The thinking seems to be that any reference to an alternative system of beliefs or Governance must be erased to enable a uniformity of thought in the population. How can one question the current system of politics or religion if one has no alternative to reference to?
As an independent FreeThinking Man I see these events as worryingly close to a Year Zero situation. A situation of No Past, a Confused Present, and a Future decided by unelected leaders.
And the Feminist SJWs seem to be happy to make this happen.
Am I looking at this wrong?
It's Time to get Wise
If people really want to fight the federales, why not just do a nationwide strike and starve em out?
The only reason women have so much privilege is because 20 million years ago they forgot how to lay eggs.
It is often overlooked by the Democratic party that 75 years ago the KKK was the military arm of the Democratic party. Southern Democrats created the Jim Crow laws. Today schools don’t teach American history…they teach rhetoric and ideology. If we are prevented from taking part in a meaningful discussion of the root causes of the civil war in America and are prevented from openly discussing the after effects of that war during reconstruction, then we are truly on the road to socialism. Millenials today don’t even remember Desert Shield and Desert Storm, and the fact that we stopped at the Iraqi border…only to cross it a few years later under false pretenses. It’s no surprise to me that liberals want to focus on symbols and not truth and integrity today. Integrity gets in the way of fixing elections. Look at how much voter fraud has been uncovered that the Democrats were involved in. I strongly suspect that our Dog voted for Hillary…and the powers that be let him! But he has never hiked his leg on a civil war statue the way some Americans have, at least not yet.
"Don't follow in my footsteps...I stepped in something."
Anonymous7This is why we can’t have nice things.
Early Tuesday morning, a vandal spray-painted the Lincoln Memorial on the National Mall in Washington D.C. The graffiti, sprayed with red paint, looked as though it read, “F**k law,” although it was unclear.
More Here:
http://www.dailywire.com/news/19752/lincoln-memorial-vandalized-fk-law-hank-berrienAs you grow older, you see a lot of things. Change is inevitable. How change occurs is the rule of the day/decade. Seems change occurs every 30 years or so. 1930/1960/1990/2020.
Marry again, Hell NO ! ( Even JESUS was hung on a cross just once)
As you grow older, you see a lot of things. Change is inevitable. How change occurs is the rule of the day/decade. Seems change occurs every 30 years or so. 1930/1960/1990/2020.
That’s the point. I don’t like what I can see comming down the road. What we see today is just the begining. I wonder when the flash point will come?
It's Time to get Wise
Today they are toppling Civil war monuments, tomorrow will it be the Washington monument, or the Jefferson Memorial, George Washington Bridge etc.? They all OWNED slaves, and these f~~~tards are not going to stop with their bulls~~~, and looking to find offense anywhere they can. They live for feeling morally offended and destroying the hard work of others.
I am with you Greg. This will get to a point where even non violent men have had enough and will make a stand, and it won’t end with hugs.
The Southern cause has been all but erased from modern history. You will not find the “Protection Tarriff” or the “Tarriff of Abominations” anywhere in a modern schoolbook.
The South was THE economic powerhouse that propelled this once insignificant country on the glidepath to wealth. The north’s main source of income was industry/manufactured goods, while the souths was agriculture. Supplying the world with it’s cotton, the South did extremely well. The north had sub-par products and overcharged, which is why the south imported most of it’s manufactured goods from Europe.
The northerners wouldn’t have any of that, so they pushed higher and higher tarriffs, forcing the south to pay insane prices for s~~~ty manufactured goods. Ever heard of “chrony capitalism”? Yeah, the north started that.
Less than 2% of Southerners owned slaves. They never seem to want to mention that. What drove the common Southerner to fight and die was not their “evil, racisty racist hatred towards blacks because Mwahahahaa!!! We’re so racist!!!”
No. It was that they were getting taxed up the ass with no representation and they had no other recourse.
At the time, 90 percent of the federal government’s annual revenue came from these taxes on imports.Now along with being ass raped with taxes, now the north decided they were going to INVADE THE SOUTH.
In the 1800’s armies didn’t bring MRE’s and humanitarian aid for civilians. They f~~~ing raped, looted, pillaged and burned. Our Own Government LITERALLY took a “Scorched Earth Policy” towards the South, and the f~~~ing mass murderer General Sherman followed orders to a T. He literally burned Atlanta to the ground, completely destroyed it. Then he oversaw the coralling of all the women, loaded them on trucks, and shipped them to Illisnois never to be seen from again. (Google Roswell Mill Women)
This is real. This really happened, our own government went FULL RETARD, Waco Texas style. The common southerner knew if the invading army (which HE f~~~ing paid for) breached his town, it would be immanently destroyed and his wife/girls would likely be raped.
But what do I know… Modern history teaches that “North Good Guys, South RAAAAACIST EVIL BIGOT BADGUYS!!!!! WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA”
The northerners wouldn’t have any of that, so they pushed higher and higher tarriffs, forcing the south to pay insane prices for s~~~ty manufactured goods. Ever heard of “chrony capitalism”? Yeah, the north started that.
Thanks, I didn’t know that.
As I said. We only got one explanation of this mass national slaughter. And that was in the 1970’s so god knows what the kids are being told now.
I am with you Greg. This will get to a point where even non violent men have had enough and will make a stand, and it won’t end with hugs.
This seems like a very real possibility from where I’m standing. It’s almost like the State wants to incite the population to rebel, just so they can destroy them.
History repeating itself?
It's Time to get Wise
I also can’t stand how the South, during the Antebellum period is consistently judged by current modern political trends.
Notice how many SJW’s are storming Italy, Egypt, Spain, tearing down monuments of Caesar, the Pharaohs and the Conquistadors for their “Evil Racisty Racist Slave Owning Hateful actions”?
No, they don’t. Before the 1800’s slavery was as normal as modern machines are today. From the beginning of mankind up until after the civil war, slavery was the main catalyst for civilization.
You don’t have to like it. Nevertheless, it’s true.
Slavery wasn’t about “blacks” either. I highly doubt these SJW’s know a thing about the Irish Potato famine, white slaves or the fact that the North had LEGAL slavery less than 10 years before the start of the Civil War!
That’s right, they wanted to go “Scorched Earth” against their own countrymen who were doing the same exact thing only a few years prior.
It wasn’t about slavery, it was about CONTROL.
NomadicExpat speaks amazing truth! Well said brother!
Just remember “History is written by the victors!”
The losers never get to tell their side of the story. Victors write what goes in peoples mind, period.
For those of you whom do not realize why this is happening. This is about erasing all American history to help being in a feudal dark age where there are only globalists as master and everyone else are slaves.
The globalists are the ones funding SJWs, Antifa, the anti-American press, anti-American politicians, and almost everyone else whom wants to destroy the pro-American people.
In the news today there was a protest in NYC American Museum of Natural History by SJWs to take down the statue there of Theodore Roosevelt in the museum: http://www.dailywire.com/news/19741/leftist-activists-demand-new-york-museum-take-down-michael-qazvini
In other news someone use a can of spray paint to damage the Lincoln Memorial in D.C.: http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/08/awful-lincoln-memorial-vandalized-explicit-language-photo/
The SJws next target is Mount Rushmore: http://www.dailywire.com/news/19741/leftist-activists-demand-new-york-museum-take-down-michael-qazvini
SJW/Antifa are the the western flavor of the Taliban. These fanatics will not quit until all pro-Americans are dead and all history of America has been erased.
The SJW media either censors the violence by Antifa, or lies to support Antifa. Such as this propaganda piece by CNN in support of Antifa: http://edition.cnn.com/2017/08/14/us/what-is-antifa-trnd/index.html?sr=twCNN081417what-is-antifa-trnd0624PMVODtop
You cannot negotiate with fanatics whom want you dead and everything you value destroyed.
Fortunately, President Trump is directing the DOJ to identify and go after the members of SJW/Antifa: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-08-15/doj-demands-13-million-ip-addresses-visitors-antifa-website-used-coordinate-riots-0
In school I was taught that the civil war was all about the right to own slaves – Period.
Yes, Greg. That’s what the Civil War was all about.
recent travels led to many discussions as to the real cause of the war…
Let me stop you right there. You’re an intelligent man, Greg, and you met with other intelligent men. Sadly, those men misinformed you because they’ve been misinformed themselves, misinformed their entire lives.
There isn’t any question as to why the South chose treason and war because, as you’ll see, the Southerners at the time left ample records explaining their choice. The real issue is that those historical documents, speeches, letters, newspaper editorials, and have been forgotten or explained away since.
Simply put, the Union won the war but the South won the peace.
From about 1890, surviving Confederates and neo-Confederates started rewriting history in a form of “apologia”. The Lost Cause mythology and state’s rights lies were invented then. That effort continues up to the present day because no one can be bothered to look at the key primary documents regarding secession. They too “erased the past”.
This is the full text of South Carolina’s Declaration of the Immediate Causes Which Induce and Justify the Secession of South Carolina from the Federal Union . In it, the men of South Carolina in 1860 explain why they’re seceding from the Union.
These were the reasons in 1860 when they thought they could win.
These are not the reasons 1865 when they lost, or the reasons after Reconstruction, or the reason when their Jim Crow laws were being challenged in federal courts in the 1890s, or their reasons when the Klan was part of the Democratic National Convention in 1920, or when Truman was threatened with impeachment for desegregating the armed forces, or when resistance to the Civil Rights Acts put the CSA battle flag over southern state capitals again in the 1960s.
I want you to read that link, Greg. I want you read what the men in 1860 said their reasons were. And then I’ll ask you if you still think the Civil War wasn’t about slavery.
The SJW, Anitfa, BLM, and other types destroying Confederate memorials today are just as wrong as the Confederates and others who rewrote history after the war.
Do not date. Do not impregnate. Do not co-habitate. Above all, do not marry. Reclaim and never again surrender your personal sovereignty.
You are an intelligent man as well Old Bill, and you know better, or should.
That is the LEGAL document that the bureaucrats and lawyers drew up to make their BEST LEGAL case for succession. For ONE Southern state: South Carolina. That is not the SOLE reason for the war, or even the main reason the average southerner supported the cause.
OldBill, your moral relativism arguments do not pass the smell test.
The fact of the matter is because those here have no justification for the destruction of property and injuring of people in present day, they change the subject and they say it is all about “slavery in the past” from a hundred of fifty years ago.
To use the “slavery in the past” strawman argument is an admission you have lost the debate.
I have personally suffered a lot under the false justifications of actions either taken or claimed to have been taken before I was born. I have zero tolerance for such bulls~~~. I consider such false claims and empty justifications to be “blood libels” which are the lowest of the low of false accusations a bigot can make.
The one good thing that may come out of all this is that “committing genocide in the name of punishing slavery in the past” will be found to not be justifiable.
Now OldBill, you can retract your statements, or you can stand by the same beliefs which are held by SJWs, Antifa, BLM, and almost every group whom wants to destroy the United States of America.
Sorry, PRR, but you couldn’t be more wrong. You’ve been lied to by the apologists your entire life and have never bothered to read the primary documents.
That the document the state legislature put together after voting for the secession ordinance. That’s what every man who voted to secede believed and their votes took the entire state out of the Union. And every one of those men had been elected by other men.
Blaming it all on lawyers and bureaucrats, saying it was just one state, saying it wasn’t the reason the “average” Southerner had is just more apologia. You’re simply making the same old tired excuses and citing the same old tired lies. Hell, even Shelby Foote said the war was about slavery.
The primary documents tell a far different story than the one you and too many others have been taught. All these documents are online, all you need is read them instead of repeating what you’ve been told. Mississippi’s official explanation, for example, includes the statement “Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery…
Here’s a link to book you need to read. It collects all that material and more in one volume.
https://www.amazon.com/Confederate-Neo-Confederate-Reader-Great-Truth/dp/1604732199
We often talk about educating ourselves here. Here’s your chance.
Do not date. Do not impregnate. Do not co-habitate. Above all, do not marry. Reclaim and never again surrender your personal sovereignty.
OldBill, your moral relativism arguments do not pass the smell test.
Moral relativism? I posted a document from 1860 in which the men at that time explain their reasons for secession, treason, and war. Those are their reasons and morals, not mine.
Now OldBill, you can retract your statements, or you can stand by the same beliefs which are held by SJWs, Antifa, BLM, and almost every group whom wants to destroy the United States of America.
Did you miss the part in my post where I condemned SJWs, Anifa, BLM, and the others? Where I said those monuments must stand so we won’t forget the past?
Do not date. Do not impregnate. Do not co-habitate. Above all, do not marry. Reclaim and never again surrender your personal sovereignty.
I posted a document from 1860
Just one document. I have seen other documents. But, to keep from having an argument over documents, I will ask you one question.
Do you honestly believe the 90% plus percent of the population of the white men in the South whom did not own slaves and never did, willing went to fight in a war so a few rich slave owners could keep their slaves?
Did you miss the part in my post where I condemned SJWs, Anifa, BLM, and the others? Where I said those monuments must stand so we won’t forget the past?
You cannot genuinely condemn a group when you support the same claims they do. You are in effect only disagreeing with their methods, not their message.
I want you read what the men in 1860 said their reasons were. And then I’ll ask you if you still think the Civil War wasn’t about slavery.
What a Great Idea!!! Let’s see what The President of the United States said about it. I quote DIRECTLY from Abraham Lincolns Inaugural Address, March 4th 1861:
“I have no purpose, directly or indirectly, to interfere with the institution of slavery in the States where it exists. I believe I have no lawful right to do so, and I have no inclination to do so.”
http://www.bartleby.com/124/pres31.html
Linked it for you, at the bottom of Paragraph 3.
No Bill, The War of Northern Aggression was NOT fought for the express purpose of slavery. Did the south want to keep their slaves, as per your link? Of F~~~ING COURSE THEY DID. The entire economic structure of the south was built on it (which funded the creation of this Great Nation). To try and rip slavery away from the south would be akin to telling the entire U.S. Industry in 2017 to just “stop using Oil”. It would cripple the entire economy.
Yes, Southern slave owners wanted to keep their slaves that they spent money on and developed their entire business practice around, as countless other societies have done throughout history.
SJW’s can take their moral outrage and shove it up their asses. I’m not advocating for slavery in the modern era, I have nothing against black people. That was just an era in time. It is what it is.
The War wasn’t started by Men Going Their Own Way (Southerners). They literally just got fed up with the bulls~~~ and walked off.
The WAR was started by the INVASION. The INVASION that was conducted as per Abraham Lincolns Orders, who, I quote again:
“I have no purpose, directly or indirectly, to interfere with the institution of slavery in the States where it exists. I believe I have no lawful right to do so, and I have no inclination to do so.”
The reason the North fought was to “Keep the Union”.
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