Does honesty actually work in the long run?

[DauntlessParticipant 403]

I have a dog to walk, so I’ll have to log off for a while, but I’d just like to thank everyone for the great responses. Being able to discuss difficult life questions such as these, and with such maturity is why I’ve absolutely fallen in love with this website! Thanks again!

"To live is to suffer; to survive is to find some meaning in the suffering." - Friedrich Nietzsche

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Anonymous wrote:

I used to lie like a rug when I used to do relations~~~s. You f~~~ing have to just to have a modicum of peace. It’s not like I was even doing anything evil.

Then you’re better at it than me. I completely suck at that.

I really don’t known how to bulls~~~ – especially in a personal relationship in my own domicile.

To “keep the peace” is a man’s goal. A woman lives for conflicts, drama, friction, and begging you to lie to her, with their f~~~ing stupid “s~~~ tests”.

( pouting )

Most men ask “what’s wrong?” like her problem is HIS to fix.

But I would say “you got a problem? You come out tell me directly because that pouting s~~~ is for toddlers.”

… and the next thunderclap I would hear is the sound of her vagina closing to me forever.

“Women want honesty” my ass.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[Anonymous 11]

@Key: I am the Terex Titan of bulls~~~ hauling. It’s a skill I’d rather not use though as it’s wrong. I will do it as needed though. I used to keep those hamsters so confused. I’m very verbally agile and can spin them like toys. I’ve had more than one woman tell me she could never win an argument with me. I come from a long line of attorneys.

My arguments with women are never violent either unlike some men I know. I will also tell you that they WILL make you pay come branch swinging time.

[Solo MAN’S WisdomParticipant]

MGTOW’s do what’s RIGHT because it’s RIGHT.

Sometimes not telling someone the truth is the right thing to do. For example: If a person with Alzheimer’s dementia has a spouse that dies, and continues to ask where their spouse is, it is in their best interest NOT to tell them the truth. They will have to relive the grief of hearing their spouse died on a daily or weekly basis due to their brain dysfunction.

On the other hand, [quoting Jesus of Nazareth] “But let your ‘Yes’ be ‘Yes,’ and your ‘No,’ ‘No.’ For whatever is more than these is from the evil one.” Matt. 5:37 This tells us that our word is our bond, and if we commit to say or do something, we should say what we mean and mean what we say.

OK class, can anyone think of a group that does NOT say what they mean or mean what they say??

When women lead, destruction is the destination. -- Me.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Solo MAN’S Wisdom wrote:

OK class, can anyone think of a group that does NOT say what they mean or mean what they say??

For guys… a guide to “girl talk”
http://www.match.com/magazine/article/4670/For-Guys-A-Guide-To-Girl-Talk/

How women don’t say what they mean, or mean what they say.

A manual of bulls~~~ instructions because women are complete s~~~ at direct & honest communication and NEVER mean what they say, so it has to be written out in multiple paragraphs and sentences, and men are expected to LOWER THEMSELVES to the female standard.

“Honesty”??? Women should be told to grow up, smarten up, shut the f~~~ up, and learn to speak f~~~ing Manglish. Honestly.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[FearlessMGHOWParticipant 1928]

I hate lying because it takes more mental effort to remember my lies.

The only time I do lie is when I have to, such as a job interview or when interacting with my blue pill family.

EVERY f~~~ing time I’ve been honest with the members in my family, a fight starts.

And the fights are usually because of the women in my family.

Any time I’m completely honest with my mom for example, she starts saying “I don’t want to talk about this right now.” As in trying to shut down what I’m about to say.

Any time I agree with her bulls~~~ she just agrees back and we don’t have a fight.

Men age like fine wine. Women age like milk. "One hundred women are not worth a single testicle." -Confucius

[DauntlessParticipant 403]

Solo MAN’S Wisdom wrote:

MGTOW’s do what’s RIGHT because it’s RIGHT.

Sometimes not telling someone the truth is the right thing to do. For example: If a person with Alzheimer’s dementia has a spouse that dies, and continues to ask where their spouse is, it is in their best interest NOT to tell them the truth. They will have to relive the grief of hearing their spouse died on a daily or weekly basis due to their brain dysfunction.

Damn straight. And that’s another great example where honesty wouldn’t have helped much. Infact, in this instance, not telling the truth shows that you’re sympathic towards their life situation.

Solo MAN’S Wisdom wrote:

OK class, can anyone think of a group that does NOT say what they mean or mean what they say??

Hmm. I think it starts with WO- and ends with -MEN, but I’m not sure. What could it be?

"To live is to suffer; to survive is to find some meaning in the suffering." - Friedrich Nietzsche

[MgtowWaveParticipant 4352]

@KM communicating with women is even more complicated than that.She was not being completly honest in that essay.LOL

I hate to lie.

But i put being brutally honest and telling lies on a balance scale with consequencees beneath.

If the consequence of being honest is too much ill lie.

Like if its for life,limb or not getting a job.

I avoid situations where i would be incentivised to lie.That includes women.

frankly my dear i don't give a damn

[the roadParticipant 3125]

It’s never seemed worth it to me to lie. As others have probably said, telling a lie means that you must maintain the lie. That means that you have to remember it and be able to potentially keep the lie alive over and over.

I’ve told many lies through my life. Mostly small mis-truths and a few times I have paid big time from the backlash or fallout.

In general though, most people see me as a very honest person I believe. I try to never mislead anyone, especially my own son.

How does this relate to the OP? In the long run, I am the one who has to live with myself. It bothers me to know that in the past, I have told lies. Does it mean anything? Yes, to me it does. So for my peace of mind, telling the truth works in the long run.

#MANOUT

[Anonymous 7]

Yes! I mean no.

It’s important to be honest with yourself.
Anything else is relative.

[Big BossParticipant 4496]

Anonymous wrote:

[DauntlessParticipant 403]

I’m a very honest person in real life. I’m almost to honest. It’s almost as if I should lie more. Some people love my honesty, and others hate it or can’t handle what I’m saying, going Red Pill with honesty freaks people out

It’s true, a lot of people don’t like hearing the truth and then dealing with it. They’d rather live in their own little world, completely ignorant to everything around them. While I can understand why some do, it’s not something I’m particularly fond of. As I said earlier, a balance between truth and lie and when to use them is important.

"To live is to suffer; to survive is to find some meaning in the suffering." - Friedrich Nietzsche

[ResidentEvil7Participant 9568]

For what I’ve learned from my long-term unemployment, filling out online applications and job interviews, how can being honest land you the job? The applications have that stupid personality test that when I was honest on those things, the managers wouldn’t call back. Problem is if you fail or pass those tests, it sticks with your application for 6 months to a year; if you fail, you can’t reapply for that length of time. I hate those 100 question tests, and I don’t see how being honest on those things will get you a chance to an interview. Click and answer that is what is meant to be clicked on. As far as job interviews, it bothers me they keep asking my questions based on experiences I haven’t experienced yet, and I have to come up with an answer besides “I don’t know.” I wish I could be honest with them, but they don’t give me that option. Like I said, the more honest I was, the more applications (and tests) I had to fill out. Schools told us to be honest, but my life experiences are showing me that honesty is one of the last resorts. Seriously, they make it so difficult to land these low-wage, entry level jobs because of what they’re looking for and what you have to say/do to get it.

It’s funny that some people can get a job like it’s no problem and some people are going long-term and wondering “what the hell?!” I hate employers; for the little they offer, they sure do make it VERY difficult and that has kept me from working.

https://themanszone.webs.com/

[RennieParticipant]

That’s actually one of the reasons I refuse to deal with them. You have to lie to them to avoid p~~~ing them off and I just don’t like that.

[Blue SkiesParticipant 15665]

i lie all the time…mostly small lies aka white lies…

those to tell you that they are honest most of the time are lying.

MGTOW is not a movement, it is a way of life.

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