Church Sermon Irked Me

[BeerParticipant 11832]

505vikingo wrote:

Went to church last night and shortly, into the sermon the pastor goes on a tirade about being over 30 and not married yet.

Do they ever go on a tirade about women who have pre-marital sex? Just another example of how various portions of society still expect men to hold up the traditional male role while women want to be traditional when it benefits them(marriage) and non-traditional when it benefits them(carousel riding).

Give them nothing…women and the church lol.

[MeshakParticipant 280]

I see no conflict whatsoever between MGTOW and Christianity. If you want to dig into it, you’ll find mention of at least one apostle (Paul) who wasn’t married and advised other men to be like him if they could be. If because of the lack of self control they couldn’t, he said that they should get married.

MGTOW is more than likely not compatible with organized Christian religious organizations. What Christianity is and what the “church” says are generally two different things. I’ve experienced misguided pastors, deacons, friends who drank the church koolaid who would run off at the mouth on what they thought was what I or we should be doing. When I was younger, I enjoyed the discussion and debate. Later I had far less patience for ignorance and self righteous indignation, so I held my peace. The days, I have no f~~~s to give for organized religion so I go my own way and they can proclaim as much as they want. It means nothing to me.

Meshak

[Anonymous 14]

Just one particular sermon? They all irk me.

[AutoliteParticipant]

Meshak wrote:

What Christianity is and what the “church” says are generally two different things.

So the Christian church or organized religion does not necessarily represent true Christianity!?! WoW! I don’t think I’ve ever seen that argument before…

[Anonymous 42]

Is not a minister pressing men to marry a Shepard leading sheep to slaughter? Is he not an agent of the state binding men to the altered and deceptive contract of marriage? A broker for the slave traders?

Is he not manipulating chivalry with promises of yesteryear bygone times that no longer exist? Desperate to somehow keep the ball rolling while women are never preached at, shammed, scorn, and humiliated? Grab and forgive single mommy with three other men’s wombturds! Yea man the f~~~ up so the next guy will have 4 wombturds to adopt and be Mumford Daddy Beta Cuck!
Women lost their identities treading on the unfamiliar grounds reserved for men.

It would be the same as me joining a movement that wants to s~~~ out a baby just like a woman and waste 150 years and destroying civilization doing it.

Preachers leading good men astray as far as I’m concerned.

I’d be warning all the men about marriage, scorning all the women about their adultery, murder, and deceit, recommending MGTOW.COM for the men and telling the women to get cats…

A man loosing his sovereignty is the worst abomination on earth!

Sign a marriage contract and you’re entering into an abomination, no ifs’, ands’, or buts’, about it!

Marriage has become an abomination unto GOD!
Marriage is for gays, lesbians, transgenders, and women! MGTOW is for MEN!

[OneTrueMisfitSpectator 2690]

Stargazer wrote:

MGTOW is not compatible with Christianity.

False. Jesus and Paul are perfect examples of MGTOW.

Autolite wrote:

So the Christian church or organized religion does not necessarily represent true Christianity!?! WoW! I don’t think I’ve ever seen that argument before…

You probably haven’t read the Bible before, because it would be painfully obvious that Jesus never established organized religion..

Act_17:24 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;

Joh_4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

Please have some knowledge of what you are talking about before stating your opinion as if it is fact:

1Co 7:32 But I would have you without carefulness. He that is unmarried careth for the things that belong to the Lord, how he may please the Lord:
1Co 7:33 But he that is married careth for the things that are of the world, how he may please his wife.

1Co 7:38 So then he that giveth her in marriage doeth well; but he that giveth her not in marriage doeth better.

WOW?! You mean the Bible, God’s word, what should be the standard for all who claim the name of Christ says it is better to stay unmarried? What? WOAH! Despite what some people who may claim to know Christ may say? Oh My! How about we go to the source for facts..

Did God institute marriage and is it spoken of as a good thing in the Bible as well? Sure. But lets remember how different it was. It wasn’t all this legal binding stuff that we have today. They didn’t have women getting divorces and taking everything the man owns like we do now. But the fact is that Paul, in the new testament, who was never married said it is better for a man to stay unmarried so that he can serve the Lord to his fullest. He only said it is good to be married if a man is burning with lust. BUT AGAIN, THE BEST THING IS TO STAY UNMARRIED. PERIOD.

He says, when a man comes to the Lord and is converted to STAY IN THE POSITION YOU WERE WHEN YOU GOT SAVED:

1Co 7:25 Now concerning virgins I have no commandment of the Lord: yet I give my judgment, as one that hath obtained mercy of the Lord to be faithful.
1Co 7:26 I suppose therefore that this is good for the present distress, I say, that it is good for a man so to be.
1Co 7:27 Art thou bound unto a wife? seek not to be loosed. Art thou loosed from a wife? seek not a wife.

He doesn’t say GET MARRIED! GOD WANTS MARRIAGE FOR EVERYONE! NONSENSE!

It irks me when straw men are constructed to attack Christianity.

Don't care

[Anonymous 6]

505vikingo wrote:

Fellas,

Been tied up a bit as of late. Anyway, back to utopia here at MGTOW.com. Went to church last night and shortly, into the sermon the pastor goes on a tirade about being over 30 and not married yet. Further, discusses how single men should go to the married men of the congregation and ask for advice on how to signal to a woman that a guy is interested in her for dating.

No reason why a woman should have to inconvenience herself of course during any of this process. Yet, another shining example of why being MGTOW is so awesome! This is all irrelevant to MGTOWs. Having never been married, still banging hotties in my late 40’s, and only having more fun every day, I can only suggest to you younger fellas, get on the “MGTOW Train” and pull a train, read a book, go fishing, take a nap, or whatever else you feel like at the moment.

Being MGTOW only gets better as time passes. Take care Brothers!

Hello. As another poster has pointed out both Jesus and St. Paul both had something to say about marriage. Both said that it’s better for a man to be single. It’s all right there in the Bible in plain English. That pastor clearly needs to reread his New Testament. I prefer to listen to Jesus and St. Paul myself.

[AutoliteParticipant]

OneTrueMisfit wrote:

You probably haven’t read the Bible before, because it would be painfully obvious that Jesus never established organized religion.

I stopped reading when I got to the part where that guy burns his daughter alive as a promise to appease God. It was just a little too “Quentin Tarantino” for my tastes. I’m more into non-fiction books anyway…

[FrostByteParticipant 19005]

Leonard Cohen’s hallelujah has been covered over 100 times and considered one of his master pieces of music. It is a haunting redpill warning that promptly begins with two well known biblical stories. That’s good enough from me. The bible warns and warns again about the nature of woman. Getting married is a church agenda not a bible one.

If you rescue a damsel in distress, all you will get is a distressed damsel.

[OneTrueMisfitSpectator 2690]

Autolite wrote:

I stopped reading when I got to the part where that guy burns his daughter alive as a promise to appease God. It was just a little too “Quentin Tarantino” for my tastes. I’m more into non-fiction books anyway…

Interesting. Does that mean you have some sense of morals? Where does your standard for morality come from?

Don't care

[AutoliteParticipant]

OneTrueMisfit wrote:

Interesting. Does that mean you have some sense of morals? Where does your standard for morality come from?

My “morals” comes from my natural instinct to survive. I watched a video where they discussed how a troop of monkeys learn to survive by looking after each other. Monkeys figured out that their individual chances of survival improved when you don’t go around killing all the other monkeys in the same group. The monkeys knew that their own individual well being depended on the general well being of the group or the troop as a whole.

Humans (most of us anyway) just built our “morals” and laws on that nature given instinct. When I read the news however there still seems to be some further work to be done…

[OneTrueMisfitSpectator 2690]

Autolite wrote:

Humans (most of us anyway) just built our “morals” and laws on that nature given instinct.

“Nature” is abstract and doesn’t/can’t “give” anything.

Don't care

[AutoliteParticipant]

OneTrueMisfit wrote:

“Nature” is abstract and doesn’t/can’t “give” anything.

Sure it does! Nature, through evolution, gave me (for one thing) opposable thumbs. It really p~~~es my dog off too that I can turn a door knob open and he can’t…

[OneTrueMisfitSpectator 2690]

Autolite wrote:

Sure it does!

No, it is simply illogical to say that “Nature” (something abstract) “gave you something”. I am a person and therefore it would be logical and correct to say that I gave someone a gift. But “nature” however doesn’t/can’t give anything. You have proved your ignorance and I am done.

Don't care

[BoskParticipant 111]

There was a time where it was accepted that the man was the Head of the family…

Mine now acknowledges that I AM THE HEAD and she is the “legs”…. she needed to be something so I had to improvise (could not say the vagina… well I will tell her one day soon… mouahahahaa)

By the way, did you know that the upper inner mouth of a SNAKE looks like a VAGINA !!!
Does it not remind you something ???

[Point Of No ReturnParticipant 4074]

Marriage = Property Transfer
and this since the beginning of time
has nothing to do with romance or ‘love’
Double standard… Easy for the guy giving the sermon to fly that one out.
Man-made period.

Know when it is your duty to give them zero explanations for your actions.

[IRuleMeParticipant]

OneTrueMisfit wrote:

Autolite wrote:

I stopped reading when I got to the part where that guy burns his daughter alive as a promise to appease God. It was just a little too “Quentin Tarantino” for my tastes. I’m more into non-fiction books anyway…

Interesting. Does that mean you have some sense of morals? Where does your standard for morality come from?

My morals come from not telling my son to make my grandson a sacrifice to me as a show of loyalty. I’m kinda big on that. That type of conversation would never come up. Seems odd to take the moral high ground for a God that made a bet with Satan over whether or not one of his followers would turn away from him. “Go ahead.. I’ll let you do whatever you want. Let you take his sight, murder his family, whatever you like bro. See if you can turn him away from me.” Like some pawn piece for a little amusement. Like it’s some game for his personal entertainment.

God has some serious character defects for an all knowing, omnipotent being. He “loves his children” but is responsible for every plague and pestilence that has killed humankind since man’s inception. Hell, he unleashed all kinds of different ones on the people of Egypt. Killing first borns.. Who had nothing to do with the Jews being slaves. If I’ve gotten my morals from anything, it’s from seeing that God has none.

[OneTrueMisfitSpectator 2690]

IRuleMe wrote:

My morals come from not telling my son to make my grandson a sacrifice to me as a show of loyalty. I’m kinda big on that. That type of conversation would never come up. Seems odd to take the moral high ground for a God that made a bet with Satan over whether or not one of his followers would turn away from him. “Go ahead.. I’ll let you do whatever you want. Let you take his sight, murder his family, whatever you like bro. See if you can turn him away from me.” Like some pawn piece for a little amusement. Like it’s some game for his personal entertainment.

God has some serious character defects for an all knowing, omnipotent being. He “loves his children” but is responsible for every plague and pestilence that has killed humankind since man’s inception. Hell, he unleashed all kinds of different ones on the people of Egypt. Killing first borns.. Who had nothing to do with the Jews being slaves. If I’ve gotten my morals from anything, it’s from seeing that God has none.

Dude you are completely ignorant of what the Bible teaches and you obviously don’t care so move on. Revel in your ignorance.

Don't care

[narwhalParticipant]

I agree that MGTOW and Christianity are compatible…the church is a different story.

The argument that MGTOW are completely sovereign to themselves, therefore they cannot claim God (any God) has sovereignty over them, just doesn’t hold up. Wouldn’t that also mean that a MGTOW cannot accept government rule, or any authority whatsoever? If you said that he choses that, then wouldn’t the same be for religion. If anything, practicing a religion would be more MGTOW then being a loyal citizen, since religion can be revoked, while you cannot easily chose not to be a citizen of any government.

But on the church, Christian churches have always seemed to be in conflict between appealing to masses, getting drunk on it’s own power, and following what is written in the bible. It’s as imperfect as people are. I’m not really sure how the conflict could ever be resolved, considering it is made up of people. I don’t find myself too bitter about it either frankly.

Ok. Then do it.

[AutoliteParticipant]

OneTrueMisfit wrote:

But “nature” however doesn’t/can’t give anything. You have proved your ignorance and I am done.

OneTrueMisfit wrote:

Dude you are completely ignorant of what the Bible teaches and you obviously don’t care so move on. Revel in your ignorance.

If refusing to acknowledge the existence of an all knowing, all powerful, magical, invisible and imaginary flying sky daddy gets me labeled as “ignorant” then I’ll wear that badge proudly… 😀

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