Article: Who's the daddy?

[MonkParticipant 16995]

Source: Izzy Ferris, Daily Mail. “Up to one in ten Britons ‘don’t know who their real father is’: Health boss reveals shocking statistic from DNA tests for hereditary illness – and doctors don’t reveal truth to patients”. 01/06/2019.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7091717/Genetic-tests-revealing-one-10-people-UK-dont-father-think-do.html

The current position is that the DNA results are incidental to the main enquiry and may therefore be ignored. A senior doctor has questioned the ethics of this.

Feminist outrage is a given – they don’t want their duplicity as a group to be revealed, or for the gravy train to stop.

I also predict discreet state intervention to ensure that this situation continues. The state wants to keep all those saps paying, because if they stop, thousands of slags and their bastards will claim social security.

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Monk wrote:

Feminist outrage is a given – they don’t want their duplicity as a group to be revealed, or for the gravy train to stop.

I also predict discreet state intervention to ensure that this situation continues. The state wants to keep all those saps paying, because if they stop, thousands of slags and their bastards will claim social security.

Then there is the other side of the coin: A sick child that may need a transplant from one of its parents. At that grief-stricken moment is the exact moment that dad finds out he’s not the biological father and the child’s life hangs in the balance. All because a lying woman doesn’t want her lie exposed.

Sugar and spice gentlemen, sugar and spice.

Order the good wine

[AwakenedParticipant 35202]

A HO is A HO is a HO

All it takes is ONE HO to completely F-CK UP MANY LIVES !!!!

In a World of Justin Beibers Be a Johnny Cash

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

Monk wrote:

I also predict discreet state intervention to ensure that this situation continues.

I predict more and more Men will walk the fu​ck away from the whole sh​itty deal.

Without men to support them, women and their bastards will starve, the state will collapse, and that is not our problem.

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Monk wrote:

“Up to one in ten…

When you consider that figure for a moment, this story becomes a bit far-fetched. Seriously?
10 out of every 100? 100,000 out of every million?

Its incredible to think so many people dont realize they look nothing like their “Dad.” I mean come on!
I know people in general aren’t that bright, but its pretty obvious if you look nothing like the guy, or that your kid doesn’t look like you either.

Also, are we really to believe infidelity to the point of unknowing cuckoldry is that common place? Infidelity YES, but not unknowing cuckoldry.

Anyway, I just dont believe it.

[FrankOneParticipant 1418]

It’s called paternity fraud. You can read about it here, along with some numbers from various countries. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paternity_fraud

In the US it’s about 1%. This is a more detailed article for your perusal: http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2010/06/the-paternity-myth-the-rarity-of-cuckoldry/#.XPMTlI8pC7Z
In some countries, rates are significant higher — covered in above link.

In the UK, most estimates are 1-2%, e.g. https://nieuws.kuleuven.be/en/content/2016/cuckolded-fathers-are-surprisingly-rare-DNA-evidence-shows

Of course, paternity testing AND genetic screening ought to be the norm… But I dispute the high paternity fraud claims of the manosphere. And what does ‘up to 10%’ even mean? The article doesn’t even show the study results.

Then again, 2% is pretty damn high in my mind.

The other reality is that the man is typically STILL on the hook for child support in most countries, even when he’s NOT the baby daddy. See first link. That is very unjust.

[GrumpyParticipant]

Does it matter?
As long as the money freely flows to the recipient egg donor.
Isn’t that in both theory and practice, truth enough?

There was a time in my life when I gave a fuck. Now you have to pay ME for it

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FrankOne wrote:

typically STILL on the hook for child support in most countries, even when he’s NOT the baby daddy. See first link. That is very unjust.

I never understood that either, but of course I have a fair & balance mind with a sober rationale for justice. LOL.

Real justice would demand reparations to begin immediately upon news like that. Right away, each month, that woman must make the same payment back to the man she defrauded until she pays back every red cent. And if she even misses one payment, throw her coochy in JAIL!!! Equality doncha know

[Puffin StuffParticipant 24979]

DNA testing should be done in all cases at birth. When dna is used to determine the real father the rate of non-biologic fathers falls to 30%. Watch Jerry Springer and you can learn how women really think about the father. Hardly at all.

#icethemout; Remember Thomas Ball. He died for your children.

[Branched offParticipant 10934]

I agree puffin stuff. We have the technology to make lives better with DNA testing. Lets use it. Test all children at birth.

A distant relative of mine has meticulously researched his family tree. He has genuinely thousands of relatives on it. He is pretty much the last of his line, maybe that is why family history is so important to him because they are kept alive in the family tree? Anyway this family tree is amazing. It “reliably” goes back to the royal houses of Normandy, Scotland, Wales, Wessex and Mercia, rather dubiously includes a few famous Romans and totally insanely includes Trojan heroes and biblical figures. My concern has always been “what about cuckoldry”? When you are going back that far, at some point the tree will be useless because all the paternal lines will be corrupt. The only thing likely to be reliable is the maternal line (and that is no guarantee because quite often women give away unwanted children to friends and relatives).

He and I have debated the value of DNA ancestry for some years, with me encouraging and him saying it was not really necessary as he had all the info back to past where DNA would really matter. Anyway recently I learned for another distant relative into genealogy that he had taken a test. I at once asked him what he had found. He now has about a dozen second cousins he never heard of! Never underestimate the power of women’s guile.

Technology gave them the spinning and weaving factories, the hoovers and washing machines that enabled feminism to even be a possibility. In doing this it also freed us from needing them. Moreover it may yet give us freedom from their lies.

A woman is like fire -fun to play with, can warm you through and cook your food, needs constant feeding, can burn you and consume all you own

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

“Up to one in ten Britons ‘don’t know who their real father is’”

Up to?

Bitch please.

The red cross has already determined from blood types that at least one in three children are bastards.

[FrankOneParticipant 1418]

sidecar wrote:

“Up to one in ten Britons ‘don’t know who their real father is’”

Up to?
Bitch please.
The red cross has already determined from blood types that at least one in three children are bastards.

Part of the problem in answering this is the wide variation in study results. https://jech.bmj.com/content/59/9/749

There are many causes of that. The ‘paternity discrepancy’ or ‘extra pair partner’ rates, as researchers so politely term it, vary considerably between these studies.

If you look at results from paternity tests conducted due to contested paternity where the man suspected he was being cucked, unsurprisingly, the rates are very high.

If you look at overall population studies, they are lower by an order of magnitude.

[Sky-OParticipant 18936]

Based on the amount of married women that I have known in my life that bang other guys while being married:

The number of children born that are from men other than the legal father should be much higher. But it is possible that it some cases, women actually get an early abortion without their husband knowing if the slut suspects that a fetus is not the result of sex with her husband.

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FrankOne wrote:

There are many causes of that. The ‘paternity discrepancy’ or ‘extra pair partner’ rates, as researchers so politely term it, vary considerably between these studies.

Which is all down to the sample set used for the study. It’s sampling bias in action.

If you look at results from paternity tests conducted due to contested paternity where the man suspected he was being cucked, unsurprisingly, the rates are very high.

Which is an example of sampling bias.

That’s the thing about the Red Cross data: unless the segment of the population that donates blood somehow also has ridiculously high rates of cuckoldry, then the sample set is random and unbiased. And since it’s based on simple blood types and not DNA, it’s a statistical minimum since blood type is a weak indicator of paternity and it also can’t catch cases where the genetic father and the cucked “father” have compatible blood types.

Also the rate of bastardy is higher for first children than second children, but MUCH higher for third children, and it only gets worse from there.

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Puffin Stuff wrote:

DNA testing should be done in all cases at birth. When dna is used to determine the real father the rate of non-biologic fathers falls to 30%. Watch Jerry Springer and you can learn how women really think about the father. Hardly at all.

Absolutely. You avoid so many issues when information is known upfront before money has started changing hands. I really don’t care what the stats on incorrect father identification are. I’d say a father cannot be a legal guardian or be given any financial responsibility without it. I have no doubt that it will also help identify potential medical issues in the future as well.

Perhaps the best benefit of all will be that it will cause people to reconsider casual sex and who they’ve chosen to trust as a partner.

Ok. Then do it.

[FrankOneParticipant 1418]

Sidecar: I am thinking you mean the data from the American Association of Blood Banks, rather than Red Cross? AABB typically reports about 30% non-paternity over many years (see second tab, last few rows, link below).

Individual Red Cross organizations, report out data to AABB, that then aggregates it. If you are referring to some other study, can you link to it?

BUT these ‘relationship tests’ conducted by Red Cross AND Paternity Testing Laboratories, are only conducted, where paternity is disputed. So, while sample sizes are enormous (on the order of 300,000 per year), the population tested for paternity fraud, is one of ‘low paternity confidence’. As a result of this, these samples are very biased.

The best data at least tabulates whether study results came from ‘paternity testing labs’ — with typical results being in the range you specified (due to the testing being conducted because paternity was in question in the first place) OR whether data came from ‘high paternity confidence’ (column should be called NO-HOE, or 1-2% HOES). https://galbithink.org/gender-difference/extra-pair-paternity.xls is a halfway decent compilation. You see quite a disparity between the two.

In the case of paternity testing labs and aggregated AABB data from same, it’s basically tests conducted so the mother can put the bill on someone OR the ‘Dad’ the woman pointed the finger at, is trying to prove he isn’t the Daddy.

I didn’t understand what you were implying about blood donations; it would be deemed unethical to conduct any sort of relationship testing or report out on the same, without informed consent, for blood donors. Relationship testing, is simply not part of blood donation to blood banks. It is a bit difficult to study this ‘extra-pair partner’ or ‘mis-attributed paternity’ rate. Let’s say I called 100 people with children. I told them I’d give them $250 to come in for a blood test. If I don’t tell them what the study is for, that will be deemed unethical. And who would PAY for such a study? And would the women come if they knew the children had a different daddy? That would also skew results.

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narwhal wrote:

a father cannot be a legal guardian or be given any financial responsibility without it

exactly. The MRAs should be full-react mode on Paternity Tests. A woman’s oath, that he is the father, is apparently not good enough. EVERY fvcking infant in the maternity ward, before being issued a freaking SSN, needs to be Lab IDed to a Genetic Father. No Genetic Test? Then no welfare or child support, period!

Why do MRAs even exist? They dont get anything done. LOL. What do they really do anyway? Anyone here ever been active in the MRA?

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FrankOne wrote:

Sidecar: I am thinking you mean the data from the American Association of Blood Banks, rather than Red Cross?

Actually I believe the data I’m talking about originates from the OPTN, but nobody has ever heard of that.

BUT these ‘relationship tests’ conducted by Red Cross AND Paternity Testing Laboratories, are only conducted, where paternity is disputed.

Or when testing for compatibility in live donations of blood (mostly) or other tissue from supposed family members. I thought I mentioned the potential donations were for specific recipients. Otherwise there wouldn’t be anything to compare.

The largest source of incompatibility between “related” donors and recipients is that they are not actually related. The worst part of that is confidentiality laws don’t permit doctors to tell the cuckolded “fathers” why they are incompatible, just that they are.

[FrankOneParticipant 1418]

sidecar wrote:

FrankOne wrote:

Sidecar: I am thinking you mean the data from the American Association of Blood Banks, rather than Red Cross?

Actually I believe the data I’m talking about originates from the OPTN, but nobody has ever heard of that.

BUT these ‘relationship tests’ conducted by Red Cross AND Paternity Testing Laboratories, are only conducted, where paternity is disputed.

Or when testing for compatibility in live donations of blood (mostly) or other tissue from supposed family members. I thought I mentioned the potential donations were for specific recipients. Otherwise there wouldn’t be anything to compare.
The largest source of incompatibility between “related” donors and recipients is that they are not actually related. The worst part of that is confidentiality laws don’t permit doctors to tell the cuckolded “fathers” why they are incompatible, just that they are.

Sidecar: Best transplant testing data I could find with a brief search, showed a 2.8% rate of mis-attributed paternity in the US — fairly large sample size of 15,014.

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1111/j.1600-6143.2009.03011.x

This is derived from UNOS/CORR data. Canadian cuck rate is 5.7%, about twice US rate. See table 1.

I would argue that is a much better sample selection than the population comprising paternity lab testing, which in my view don’t represent the general population (~30% cuck rate, overestimating it in my opinion), but instead, are cases where paternity is being questioned for a REASON. This is likely ALSO a better population than the tests with ‘high paternity confidence’, that report ~1% cuck rate (i.e. underestimating relative to actual in my opinion after looking at a couple studies)

ABO and HLA typing does not always indicate misappropriated paternity, since there are other genetic causes, albeit rare. The link also discusses that topic. But most mis-matches are misattributed paternity.

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FrankOne wrote:

Sidecar: Best transplant testing data I could find with a brief search, showed a 2.8% rate of mis-attributed paternity in the US — fairly large sample size of 15,014.

I’ve seen that “study”, and I don’t credit it in the slightest. In the first case, it’s advocating against disclosing false parentage, and in the second it’s reasons given for that are things like chimerism etc. Seriously. Chimerism.

That’s like using Klinefelter as justification for reworking the plumbing in every bathroom in North America.

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