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Sidecar writes: Spoiler alert: all those violent third world shitholes exporting their populations into the west are pretty damn homogeneous.
Yes. And multiple ‘ethnicities’ do not necessarily increase crime. And violent crime has been decreasing in America, since around 1990, and when I say decreasing, I mean, it’s dropped by almost half.
I haven’t seen too many illegal Mexican and Latin Americans downtown on skid row getting drunk and high or shooting people. That’s because they have something called a J-O-B.
And the blacks, buddhists, Jews, and Muslims in the suburb in which I reside, are sure as hell not shooting each other.
Almost ALL the violence near me, is gang-bangers in the inner city. A quick glance at a crime heat map, demonstrates this. Whilst it is true most of these thugs are black, the CAUSE of their criminal tendencies, is NOT racism, nor is it their skin color, but it IS their THUG CULTURE — poor upbringing and government supporting single mums producing more bangers. Culture is NOT ethnicity. Want to help underclass minorities and whites in the US? End welfare. Legalize drugs.
Muslims — that, too, is complicated. Some Muslims are highly educated, adopting Western ways and Enlightenment values. Others want to implement Sharia Law. Too many of the latter in your Western country, and someday, it will be one man, one vote, one last time. Especially with declining fertility rates. What I’m personally seeing is the kids are far less devout than the parents — drinking, not praying, fornicating, etc. Where I live, there are waves from the same countries. The ones let in as ‘political refugees’ are typically the worst. Early waves were professionals and mostly fully Westernized.
And multiple ‘ethnicities’ do not necessarily increase crime.
I’ve worked for a PD, and I can tell you that the more mixed a neighbourhood is, the more crimeridden it is.
Every. Single. Time.
And violent crime has been decreasing in America, since around 1990, and when I say decreasing, I mean, it’s dropped by almost half.
Crooked statistics generated by crooked cops to help crooked politicians gull stupid, frightened voters. I’ve literally watched crime statistics being faked. It’s one reason I quit.
Whilst it is true most of these thugs are black, the CAUSE of their criminal tendencies, is NOT racism, nor is it their skin color, but it IS their THUG CULTURE — poor upbringing and government supporting single mums producing more bangers.
It’s not skin colour and it’s not culture – it’s genes. Take trip to the Congo, or any solid black African country, and you will see the same. Every race has it’s distinctive characteristics, and that’s theirs.
Gangsta culture is an import.
Some Muslims are highly educated, adopting Western ways and Enlightenment values.
As for ‘enlightened’ muslims, there’s no such animal. I have had to live and deal with them, both in the West and the Middle East, and they are all bad news. It’s a liberal delusion.
government supporting single mums producing more bangers.
Actually, that’s all of it.
Once you account for single motherhood, the race based differences in crime statistics go away. It’s not that blacks are more violent. It’s because black women sold out their men and their sons for a monthly check.
But white women are catching up.
As for ‘enlightened’ muslims, there’s no such animal.
What, exactly, do you mean by “enlightened”?
For my money, I’ll tale apostate over enlightened every time.
It’s been my personal experience that apostate muslims are pretty much the same as apostate jews and apostate catholics and apostate hindus etc. Probably apostate buddhists as well. In other words, if he enjoys the occasional bacon cheeseburger and beer, he’s probably OK. One of the chillest brothers I know used to be a hardcore racist anti-white black muslim in his teens and twenties. Then he bought a motorcycle.
Monk Writes: It’s not skin colour and it’s not culture – it’s genes. Take trip to the Congo, or any solid black African country, and you will see the same. Every race has it’s distinctive characteristics, and that’s theirs.
Gangsta culture is an import.
Organized crime has existed forever. But it grew tremendously due to the prohibition of alcohol and narcotics. A classic case of unintended consequences of governmental action/growth. In 1900, you could walk into any drugstore and purchase a gram of cocaine for a quarter. So no one was shooting anyone over it. Of course, after inflation, that would be around $7.66 now in current dollars.
Homicide rates vary much by country, and over time. Zambia’s is at parity with the US; Sudan, Angola, Niger, Somalia, Liberia, Mozambique, Tunisia, Rwanda, Ghana, Malawi, Sierra Leone, Cameroon, and Kenya, all have lower rates than the US. Tribalism and s~~~ty governance are huge problems in Africa. Rwanda has a murder rate half that of the US, but the civil war and genocide killed a lot of citizens in the 1990’s.
And homicide rates in the Americas are actually HIGHER than in Africa. Look it up. Of course, that is because of South America.
Sure, some crime statistics are faked. But it’s hard to fake murder statistics.
It would be far better to tabulate crime rates rather than by politically correct ‘race’ than by the reported taxable INCOME of the ‘victim’ and ‘perpetrator’. This would be a good proxy for whether the individual is a druggie or gangbanger — a far more interesting parameter than their race. So if in the last 2 years they earned less than, say, $25,000 total reportable for both years, I’d characterize them as a ‘banger’ and tabulate them as such on my charts and graphs.
Homicide rates are higher in the Americas than Africa by about 33%.
As for the statistics, there are quality assurance checks. In a large city such as where I live, you can verify homicide numbers against news stories (our total is just over 100 per annum).
I’d argue that the POORER and more URBAN a neighborhood is, the more crime-ridden it is. There are numerous ‘rich’ cities like Riverside California, with many Asians, Hispanics, and some blacks, with VERY, VERY low murder rates. That is because they aren’t bangers.
‘Apostate’ or ‘cultural Muslim’ is probably a better term than ‘enlightened’ Muslim. They may still believe in some of the bulls~~~, but not Allah of it. After sufficient exposure to America, many Muslims become less devout. No praying five times a day. Some drinking of the devil’s nectar. etc. Also just working around Westerners, partaking in advanced scientific training, etc often wears down the beliefs.
It’s not that blacks are more violent.
I spent time in Africa – a tendency to excitability and violence is an African characteristic (whites have their own negative characteristics – a fascination with intoxication being one).
As for black men being the victims of black women, that’s not true. You should spend a few nights in a cruiser. It ain’t black women out there with machetes.
What, exactly, do you mean by “enlightened”?
The term was used by FrankOne, not me. I was simply responding. I take it to mean the adoption of supposedly superior Western values.
It’s been my personal experience that apostate muslims are pretty much the same as apostate jews and apostate catholics and apostate hindus etc. Probably apostate buddhists as well.
There are radical differences between these groups, so they should not be lumped together.
There are no apostate Jews, period.
Catholics are always mentally fvcked up and often return. It might be said that they never actually leave.
Muslims – like Jews, it’s a cultural/racial thing, so although they may not adhere to the observances, they always remain loyal to the tribe.
Hindus and Buddhists do not claim exclusivity and are naturally tolerant, so stand outside this.
In other words, if he enjoys the occasional bacon cheeseburger and beer, he’s probably OK.
Every single one of the Islamic bombers in the UK has either used drugs, alcohol, pork or whores (some of them all of them), so this argument fails.
This is a classic white perspective.
The white man never gets it – he looks down from a great height and assumes everyone else thinks like him. Only they don’t – which is one of the reasons why the white man will ultimately be wiped out.
It’s not that blacks are more violent.
I spent time in Africa – a tendency to excitability and violence is an African characteristic (whites have their own negative characteristics – a fascination with intoxication being one).
As for black men being the victims of black women, that’s not true. You should spend a few nights in a cruiser. It ain’t black women out there with machetes.What, exactly, do you mean by “enlightened”?
The term was used by FrankOne, not me. I was simply responding. I take it to mean the adoption of supposedly superior Western values.
It’s been my personal experience that apostate muslims are pretty much the same as apostate jews and apostate catholics and apostate hindus etc. Probably apostate buddhists as well.
There are radical differences between these groups, so they should not be lumped together.
There are no apostate Jews, period.
Catholics are always mentally fvcked up and often return. It might be said that they never actually leave.
Muslims – like Jews, it’s a cultural/racial thing, so although they may not adhere to the observances, they always remain loyal to the tribe.
Hindus and Buddhists do not claim exclusivity and are naturally tolerant, so stand outside this.In other words, if he enjoys the occasional bacon cheeseburger and beer, he’s probably OK.
Every single one of the Islamic bombers in the UK has either used drugs, alcohol, pork or whores (some of them all of them), so this argument fails.
This is a classic white perspective.
The white man never gets it – he looks down from a great height and assumes everyone else thinks like him. Only they don’t – which is one of the reasons why the white man will ultimately be wiped out.Yep the white LIBERAL does that s~~~ – they think they are better than everyone else but whitey is being bred out of existance.
As with every civilisation the West aka white countries will be gone in 20 years – feminism has finished it off. Being honest it is the jewish disease that has caused it but whitey would have crashed and burned anyway. A society gets too comfortable and lets women off the leash and then it is bye bye. The Chinese are the next big power and in 100 years they will go under – just how it works (although they won’t buy into the climate change bollocks pushed by that freak greta t~~~burg so will last longer)
Monk: The point about black men is that a significant fraction are not socialized. About 9% of black men 20-34 have been imprisoned. A similar percentage of their parents (of age 0-17 black children) — 10% — have been incarcerated. It wasn’t until the Great Society programs of Lyndon Johnson that you saw the unwed black motherhood statistics shooting through the roof. This occurred even as black unemployment dropped (the so-called ‘Moynihan’s scissors’). The pathology of ghetto culture, is not only a black phenomena, of course. But it is crucial to understand this pathology. It is not discussed by the mass media, which talks only of ‘racism’ keeping blacks down. Racism is a bit player, compared to this pathological culture.
As I alluded to in my previous post, you basically have two Americas: The one in which I reside, in my comfortable suburban house, in an ordered life. Then you have the ghetto, in which poor people reside, and MOST children are raised with no Daddies and not properly socialized/parented. Now, most of these children are black and hispanic, but it is their culture, not their genetics, that plays the greatest role in outcomes.
You really didn’t address the variations in homicide rates in African countries. Why do such rates vary so much if all blacks are genetically predisposed to violence? Why aren’t the blacks in my suburban neighborhood shooting each other up in drive-bys like the ones in the ghetto?
Now, all the media talks about is racism and cops shooting innocent people. Now, I do agree, cops occasionally shoot innocent people and should be prosecuted. But those shooting comprise a small fraction of 1% of the homicides in this country. But even if all the police were blacks, it would have NO impact upon ghetto culture — this culture is the 500 lb gorilla nobody talks about. Indeed, it is not even politically correct to use the term ‘ghetto’. I like the term. It’s honest.
Now, I have been to only one African nation, South Africa. The homicide rate there is astounding; about 7 times that of the US. This is a nice heat map of homicide rates by country if you’re interested: https://www.pri.org/stories/2016-06-27/map-here-are-countries-worlds-highest-murder-rates — admittedly, I’ve never been anywhere outside Johannesburg. South Africa is a very corrupt, screwed up country, and tribalism and corruption are contributors.
As for ‘no Jewish’ apostates, I’d definitely disagree. Intermarriage rates for Jews overall are at 58%; they’ve gone up 300% in my lifetime. Amongst non-orthodox Jews, intermarriage is at a staggering 71%. 32% of Jews born after 1980 self-identify as Jews of no religion. Less than a quarter of American Jews even belong to a synagogue. If that isn’t ‘apostasy’, then what is?
Admittedly, my choice of words ‘enlightened muslims’ was a poor one. Islam has never had a Reformation. But as it is practiced in some parts of the world, it is much less damaging than others (think of the extremes of Saudi Wahhabism vs, say, Malaysia)
I doubt ‘every’ bomber has used drugs, alcohol, pork, or whores — though the Nice ‘Truck of Peace’ perpetrator certainly does fall into such a category, and also had a criminal record.
Terrorism existed long before modern Jihadis. Look at the IRA, the anarchists and their ‘Propaganda of the Deed’, the Irgun (look up the King David Hotel bombing — Jewish terrorists of the 4o’s) — to name but a few.
There are some racial differences that are genetic. There are also some that are social. As one who has lived in Africa and married an African, I would say that blacks are simply more impulsive, more easily moved. This can be an impulse to be generous (they can be seriously generous), to fall down fainting overcome by the holy spirit in their churches or the more unfortunate one is to be tempted and this can lead to ill-thought out crime and sex. Black cultures in Africa, where they have not been ruined by rapid westernisation or civil war tend to be very appropriate for the nature of the people. They are generally respectful, full of familial and social obligation to the clan and tribe (which make intra familial, intra- clan and intra-tribal crime so disproportionately serious that impulse is regulated to bring such crime down to at least western white levels). Inter tribal crime on the other hand is generally sanctioned and virtuous, provided it is done wisely and with sanction of the elders where possible. African cultures sometimes have quite strict ways of attempting to restrict sexuality, particularly in young people and usually paying attention to working with the principles of hypergamy and patriarchy.
African American culture is nothing at all like black African culture. Something is very sick with African American culture. I do wonder if it is actually a hang over from having been a slave people. Of course the US is a big country with a great deal of cultural diversity and there are many black people who do dot practise the urban black culture. But urban African American culture is shockingly alien to African culture and should not be compared with it.
A woman is like fire -fun to play with, can warm you through and cook your food, needs constant feeding, can burn you and consume all you own
It’s not that blacks are more violent.
I spent time in Africa – a tendency to excitability and violence is an African characteristic (whites have their own negative characteristics – a fascination with intoxication being one).As for black men being the victims of black women, that’s not true. You should spend a few nights in a cruiser. It ain’t black women out there with machetes.
What, exactly, do you mean by “enlightened”?
The term was used by FrankOne, not me. I was simply responding. I take it to mean the adoption of supposedly superior Western values.
It’s been my personal experience that apostate muslims are pretty much the same as apostate jews and apostate catholics and apostate hindus etc. Probably apostate buddhists as well.
There are radical differences between these groups, so they should not be lumped together.There are no apostate Jews, period.Catholics are always mentally fvcked up and often return. It might be said that they never actually leave.Muslims – like Jews, it’s a cultural/racial thing, so although they may not adhere to the observances, they always remain loyal to the tribe.Hindus and Buddhists do not claim exclusivity and are naturally tolerant, so stand outside this.
In other words, if he enjoys the occasional bacon cheeseburger and beer, he’s probably OK.
Every single one of the Islamic bombers in the UK has either used drugs, alcohol, pork or whores (some of them all of them), so this argument fails.This is a classic white perspective.The white man never gets it – he looks down from a great height and assumes everyone else thinks like him. Only they don’t – which is one of the reasons why the white man will ultimately be wiped out.
Yep the white LIBERAL does that s~~~ – they think they are better than everyone else but whitey is being bred out of existance.
As with every civilisation the West aka white countries will be gone in 20 years – feminism has finished it off. Being honest it is the jewish disease that has caused it but whitey would have crashed and burned anyway. A society gets too comfortable and lets women off the leash and then it is bye bye. The Chinese are the next big power and in 100 years they will go under – just how it works (although they won’t buy into the climate change bollocks pushed by that freak greta t~~~burg so will last longer)I take back that jewish comment – its the george soros disease. Mr average jewish person is fine
The rest of the comment stands though
a tendency to excitability and violence is an African characteristic
Because it’s fucking Africa. It’s not the skin color, it’s the continent. Whites over there are pretty fucking excitable and violent too.
As for black men being the victims of black women, that’s not true. You should spend a few nights in a cruiser. It ain’t black women out there with machetes.
You’re seeing the result, not the cause.
Take a boy. Any boy. Of any color. Treat him as nothing but a welfare meal ticket. Neglect him utterly once he ages out of qualifying for even that. Deny him a father or any other positive male role model. Subject him to mama’s new violent thug boyfriend of the month, every month. Blame him for all your own failings. Ignore his education. Leave him to fend for himself at 13 because he can’t get pregnant and produce more welfare meal tickets for the “family” like his sisters can. Rinse. Repeat for a few generations.
The fuck do you think is going to happen there?
You going to tell me it’s black men doing that to themselves?
I take it to mean the adoption of supposedly superior Western values.
Naw. Most western values are bullshit. The few exceptions that make the difference are some very specific things like the protestant work ethic, skeptical objectivism, Adam Smith, Darwin, and so on.
There are no apostate Jews, period.
Bullshit. I employ a couple. They eat potato pancakes and that awful bread and celebrate hannukkah and all that, but they also eat bacon and don’t give any fucks.
I’d argue that the POORER and more URBAN a neighborhood is, the more crime-ridden it is.
Correlation is not causation. Statistically, the poorer and more urban a neighborhood is, the more single mothers it has. One of those is causal. Care to guess which?
which is one of the reasons why the white man will ultimately be wiped out.
Good thing I’m not white.
Something is very sick with African American culture.
Seriously, it’s the fucking welfare. We were doing fine pulling up our bootstraps. We weren’t ever on top, but for a while there we were the fastest advancing demographic. Right up until black women decided to take a monthly check instead.
You can tell it has nothing to do with race because white women are increasingly doing the same damn thing.
I agree Sidecar that welfare takes all the goodness out of people and gives it to the big cuck state. Since the state is a big cuck, it is not respected for any of its kindness but ranted against for not giving more.
The African women I have been close to were all far more family minded and prepared to suffer to give to their families than any white woman I have ever been close to. I mostly put this down to their being the product of a culture not polluted by welfare.
A woman is like fire -fun to play with, can warm you through and cook your food, needs constant feeding, can burn you and consume all you own
[No apostate Jews] Bullshit. I employ a couple. They eat potato pancakes and that awful bread and celebrate hannukkah and all that, but they also eat bacon and don’t give any fucks.
Try getting them to criticise Israel or the Torah. Preferably in public. Better still, announce that henceforth you will be supporting the Palestinian cause.
You may find that you suddenly begin to experience zoning and other legal problems.
Monk: Jews are not monolithic. I personally know a Jew who believes all religion is bollocks.
Now, there are radical/extremist Jews; Hasidim in mostly NY, and Chabad-Lubavitch — these are crazies. Like FLDS cult crazy. Or Jihadi crazy. The Netflix documentary ‘One of Us’ is a good introduction on how nice and friendly they are when members want to leave their cult, if you’re interested. But these comprise a small fraction of all Jews; only about 10% of Jews are Orthodox, with the balance being Reform, no denomination, conservative, or other.
‘Zoning and other legal problems?’ There are many Jews who openly and publicly support BDS (Boycott Divestment and Sanctions) against Israel. Just Google it. And while Jews are over-represented (relative to their population at around 2.5% of US population), in the Congress, they still make up only about 7% of House members. The idea this minority somehow controls government, is tinfoil hat conspiracy thinking.
And the Challah egg bread is delicious! I’m not Jewish but it is awesome. I don’t care for the potato pancakes and Matzah (unleavened flatbread) though. Maybe I need to find a nice Jewess? Oh, but AJAPALT (All Jewish American Princesses are Like That).
Sidecar: You are right about the culture causing the poverty, rather than the other way around. Blacks were poor during and after the Great Migration to the cities; but the black family was intact.
Monk: Jews are not monolithic. I personally know a Jew who believes all religion is bollocks.
That is not what history tells us. When it comes to the crunch, a Jew is a Jew is a Jew.
That might actually be admirable – after all, white people seem to revel in tearing each other apart. On the other hand, it says a lot about a probable lack of conscience.
The idea this minority somehow controls government, is tinfoil hat conspiracy thinking.
Read Henry Ford. Read the Jewish Encyclopedia 1928 edition in which they brag that Communism (just reflect for a moment on those hundreds of millions of deaths), is 100% Jewish.
There was also a splendid moment in which Netenyahu didn’t realise that a microphone was still turned on. His comment “We the Jewish people control America, and they know it” went down a bomb.
Monk Writes:
Read Henry Ford. Read the Jewish Encyclopedia 1928 edition in which they brag that Communism (just reflect for a moment on those hundreds of millions of deaths), is 100% Jewish.
There was also a splendid moment in which Netenyahu didn’t realise that a microphone was still turned on. His comment “We the Jewish people control America, and they know it” went down a bomb.
Again, Jews are not monolithic. Compare the life of a Hasidic Jew, to a Reform Jew, to a ‘cultural’ Jew.
Communism is not 100% Jewish. Indeed, the underlying core concepts of commmunal property, date back to ancient Greece. Read Thomas Moore’s Utopia from the early 1500’s — more communal property. The Diggers in England wanted the abolition of private land ownership. And of course, you had all sorts of religious organizations who practiced communal ownership — from Christian monastic orders in medieval times to religious communities such as the Shakers (who predate Karl Marx’s communist manifesto by 70+ years). Karl Marx himself, was anti-semitic. Read ‘On the Jewish Question’ by Marx if you do not believe this. Primary sources are VERY informative. Communism did not just appear out of nowhere; it was an old idea, recycled to fit a new industrial era with more manufacturing and technology, where capital was more important than land.
And of course, Israel is not communist. It’s a corrupt Western democracy, like the United States, with an oppressive Leviathan State. Now, some small fraction (around 2%) of Israelis do live on kibbutzes — essentially communes with no private property — mostly engaged in agriculture…
As for the fake quotes, the fake quote you cite, is attributed to Ariel Sharon, NOT Benjamin Netanyahu. The quote came from IAP-a pro-Hamas front group. So if you’re going to do fake quotes, at least get the attributions correct from the original fake quote.
If you’re going after Ariel Sharon, no need to make s~~~ up. He literally incited the Al-Aqsa Intifada by his visit to the Temple Mount for his own personal political gain. So a very bad guy.
Now I’m no Zionist. Indeed, I’m completely AGAINST the $134 BILLION dollars of aid sent to Israel since the late 1940’s. If we divided that up by our US population, it’s only maybe $400 each. I oppose it on those grounds of course — more taxation theft. But the much BIGGER cost of this aid is that it alienated all the Arab world, united Middle East countries against us (to create OPEC, among other things), and prevented THEM from making progress away from extremist religious social orders… And of course, it was a key motivation for 9/11… Which then caused us to become entangled further in the Middle East Afghanistan and Iraq Wars. Our meddling to make the World Safe for Kingdoms when we rescued the Imir of Kuwait, also contributed as a key cause of the 9/11 attack. So the ‘cost’ of all those unintended consequences, is MUCH higher than the $400 + interest I don’t have in my bank account… Those costs are likely 10 to 100 times the $400 but difficult to calculate.
Henry Ford? Now what did he base his anti-semitic views upon? The Protocols of the Elders of Zion. Now, that is a forgery. How do we know it is a forgery? Because the purported text, is plagiarized from other authors! Apply some critical thinking. Beyond the plagiarism from Joly and others: Why is the book so vague with no names, no dates? Now of course, when Ford’s newspaper published ‘The International Jew’, it was based upon the Protocols. Have you read the Protocols? Do you understand the origin of it? When you go to the primary sources it provides some clarity.
The historical reasons why the US supported Israel was to make up for the Holocaust, ironically anti-semitism (get the Jews out of the US and somewhere else). Then later it was supported to counter Soviet influence in the Cold War. Now, it is supported on inertia, and because the Jewish lobby exerts influence… Just like other lobbies that have existed for decades — be they teacher’s unions, farmers, etc.
Try getting them to criticise Israel or the Torah.
I don’t have to. They do it all the time. I may be identifying myself here, but one is particularly resentful every April 15 for having his money taken and handed over to enrich and defend a bunch of “curly tops” (his words) in “worthless Israel”.
See jews hate other jews for being the wrong sort of jew, just like moslems hate other moslems for being the wrong sort of moslem. And apostate jews tend to extend this to all practicing jews in general.
Sidecar: What is also kind of funny, despite all the characterizations of the ‘Elders of Zion’ and ‘rich Jews’, if you look at the ultra-orthodox Hasidim, many of them are on welfare sucking up government bennies! That is because, while the family is intact, they have 5+ kids in their 20’s, the Mom does office work, and the father spends all day in a yeshiva (religious school) studying Torah. In fact, there have been busts for all the benefit fraud. See https://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-new-jersey-orthodox-20170923-story.html — they claim lower income than actual. Even when they don’t do that, the taxpayer still pays for benefits for huge poor families.
I don’t give a rat’s ass if they study Torah all day, my beef is paying for their government benefits.
The Haredi (extremist Jewish sect) in Israel, were even exempt from the compulsory military service all other citizens were subject to, until 2014. Indeed, Israel even pays an allowance to these Jackasses in Israel itself, who list ‘studying the Torah’ as their ‘occupation’. https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-haredim-are-back-to-studying-torah-thanks-to-bibi-1.5454361 — only about half of the men even support themselves!
Now, this is a relatively small fraction of the the Jewish population, of course.
American terrorists are either predominately white, male disaffected products of single mothers or male Islamic fundamentalist extremists.
#icethemout; Remember Thomas Ball. He died for your children.
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