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I posted this piece in response to Gambit’s thread about rejecting wimmin. I wanted to post this because the response I made warrants it’s own thread. There’s a chance what I’m about to say is not going to be popular opinion, but it needs saying. So here goes…
You guys who are OBSESSING over wimmin still don’t get the point of MGTOW. Constantly complaining, constantly posting articles on what wimmin are saying and what they are doing… WHO CARES!?? That’s not the point of MGTOW. The point of MGTOW is to FOCUS ON YOURSELF.
By constantly giving wimmin attention, you’re playing into the system, and that means you still haven’t actually WALKED AWAY. So which is it? Are you still on the plantation, or are you going your own way? WALK AWAY! Stop f~~~ing caring. That’s the point. When Atlas Shrugged, he left the world, and it’s expectations behind.
MGTOW isn’t about misogyny, it’s not about male superiority, it’s not about white supremacy, or painting a Superman “S” on your chest. It’s not about whining and complaining about f~~~ing wimmin all the time. Grow a pair a b~~~~ and walk away. Focus on yourself. DO THE WORK. Focus on living your life. F~~~ everyone else! You’re going someone else’s way when you don’t do that s~~~.
You have red pill rage, fine. I understand it. Work it out. Stop wallowing in misery like a f~~~ing bitch! That’s what wimmin do. Wimmin love misery. And they love someone to share it with. Men pick up the pieces and move on. So do that.
Focusing on your happiness, and your goals, and your mental state of being is the ENTIRE POINT of MGTOW. Because you’re putting yourself FIRST. Some guys on this site have to work through their problems to get to that point. Nobody is denying that. Lots of guys on here got dealt a rough f~~~ing hand. But the reality is, everybody gets dealt a rough hand. But if you can’t start appreciating YOUR LIFE, BEING ALIVE, in this world, then there is zero point to MGTOW. Zero.
Yes, help your fellow man, yes impart knowledge to those lacking it, and share your wisdom. Yes, call out female behavior for what it is. That’s all important stuff. But make up your mind. Either you’re plugged in, or you’re tuned out. You can’t have it both ways. You can’t claim to be rejecting society and its expectations while still having your feet in the plantation. It doesn’t work that like.
If you’re still plugged into the matrix of society, still caring about the opinions of the outside world, you are still living in blue pill hell. You’re still connected to the system. This very nature is contradictory of the concept of MGTOW.
M.G.T.O.W – Men Going Their Own Way is a statement of self-ownership
Notice the emphasis here. Self ownership. Finding happiness within yourself comes from doing the internal work. Self ownership means that nobody is responsible for your happiness. Likewise, nobody is responsible for your misery.
The idea of putting yourself first at it’s core means being happy with who YOU are. You will never be happy spinning your wheels in red pill rage purgatory. There will always be the good and the bad, the beautiful and the ugly. We did not devise this system. So focusing your energy on this truth is a waste of time.
Accept the truth and move on. The man with all the money will always be poorer than the man who has inner peace and happiness, if that man with the economic wealth does not have those things himself. The journey of MGTOW is advancement. Advancement of your life. The idea of making progress. Making progress comes not only from rejecting society expectations which have been detrimental, but in doing the mental and internal work to make yourself DURABLE.
The man still checking into society, still caring about the beliefs and opinions of the masses is still on the plantation. This site is not the answer, it’s a tool. But like any tool, if don’t use it as it was intended, and use it wrong, nothing good will happen. That’s why it’s important not to use this tool as a sea of negativity. Some guys come here, learn the naked truth of things. Like that picture on the wall that is just static until you focus your eyes.
Red pill guys have been staring at that picture of static and now seen the image contained within it. Unfortunately, some men upon seeing that picture (the reality of society) turn to despair. An element of it is understandable, but again, goes against the point of MGTOW. After all, what point is there in having your own freedom and sovereignty if you’re miserable? You might as well just go back to the plantation then.
Individual independence comes from recognizing that you can have virtually whatever life for yourself you want. Worrying about the drama of others (wimmin, manginas, etc) is not indicative of leading a content life. Likewise placing yourself in harms way is doing yourself irreparable damage. In other words, what the plantation does (esp on dailymail) is insignificant.
Anonymous42They’re on MY PLANTATION!
My current dreams still require a certain amount of stress in my life. You should expect to see similar posts from myself. That is just the way I am wired. You give good advice but it helps in the moment but cannot possibly be remembered every time in the future. So, please do not be too frustrated.
MGTOW is a Process.
Men are at different destinations upon THEIR UNIQUE journeys.
In a World of Justin Beibers Be a Johnny Cash
MGTOW is a Process.
Men are at different destinations upon THEIR UNIQUE journeys.
This really sums up how I feel as well. Thank you, Sir.
MGTOW is a Process.
Men are at different destinations upon THEIR UNIQUE journeys.
This really sums up how I feel as well. Thank you, Sir.
It would be Nice, I mean Really, Really Nice if I could just Wake-Up in a state of MGTOW “Nirvana”, and just be able to maintain it effortlessly. It doesn’t seem to work this way for me.
In a World of Justin Beibers Be a Johnny Cash
It would be Nice, I mean Really, Really Nice if I could just Wake-Up in a state of MGTOW “Nirvana”, and just be able to maintain it effortlessly. It doesn’t seem to work this way for me.
Yeah, same here. I don’t think it works that way for anyone, no matter how much they claim to be MGTOW Buddha.
Anonymous13Everyone in is a different place of MGTOW.
Some have been unplugged for years and have nirvana.
Some have never been plugged in and never got burned, they come here see the ashes of some of our lives and think thank f~~~ I dodged that bullet.
Some of us are only recently unplugged after many decades of servitude and are awake but shocked.
Some are awake and angry.
Some, like me are awake and just want to warn others.
If it hadn’t been for the repeated warnings I read on this site when I was a lurker I might have plugged back in.
Thanks to this site and its diverse brotherhood with ALL their different experiences I’ll never go back.
Every man’s MGTOW is also different to the next man’s.
Everyone in is a different place of MGTOW.
Some have been unplugged for years and have nirvana.
Some have never been plugged in and never got burned, they come here see the ashes of some of our lives and think thank f~~~ I dodged that bullet.
Some of us are only recently unplugged after many decades of servitude and are awake but shocked.
Some are awake and angry.
Some, like me are awake and just want to warn others.
If it hadn’t been for the repeated warnings I read on this site when I was a lurker I might have plugged back in.
Thanks to this site and its diverse brotherhood with ALL their different experiences I’ll never go back.
Every man’s MGTOW is also different to the next man’s.
+1
I appreciate where you are coming from El P C
It’s a little tricky ignoring the metaphoric cannon shells from the feminists SJWs etc though.
Plus the wound left by the women folk we entrusted ourselves to.But I think you have some valid points and agree to wake up and women not even tweak my radar would be great. Perfect. Bit of a way off at the moment sadly.
For me anyway.The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape, finding oneself in the ranks of the insane. Marcus Aurelius
I am not here to whine but to share my experiences of life with brothers who might find it useful.
I have never been on the plantation.
SO many childhood scars that I share with millions of Germen men who will also never commit to family hell as a result.
I am the one that speaks up.
No c~~~ in my life to report to.
Having a very non-foggy sight of even the most distant past and remembering every little detail of the way we were raised, shamed and conditioned makes it easy to take the role of a “MGTOW historian”.
Not giving a s~~~ about women and what they think, do and say is what made me live to see this day.
I’ll get to that point later, as I have only been here for one year yet:
What a man of today MUST do to make his life “great”.
But first we are here to keep brothers from making the worst and sometimes irreversible mistake of their lives…
Actually by “knowing all about women” and staying away from them a man AUTOMATICALLY slides into the “greatness zone”.
Women are the breaking of a man’s spirit. Once he avoids that, he has no limits in life. Even a low income will give him the opportunity to do great things.
Buy books, study materials, test equipment, tools, take courses with the money he does not spend on chasing pussy.
Greatness and satisfaction will be the outcome.
A MGTOW continuing his education and furthering his skills will overtake any married man left and right.
We unc~~~ed stallions have the extra time to learn, test and develop things that make us different and stand out from the rest.
We have the free time to serve more customers to build our capital because we don’t have to be home at six getting yelled at “Where have you been?” when we come home…
And it is so nice to become someone special…
Women?
Oh, I forgot…
The gold diggers will suddenly chase him… And he gets to treat them like children…
LOL.
And I have many funny stories p~~~ing them off.
Not getting p~~~ed off BY woman but making them the joke of the day.
That’s my view on things.
In July of 2018, this honey pot forum was sold out to an unidentified NPC sock puppet and troll organization. Most independent thinkers and writers migrated to other MGTOW forums as a result of the never-ending infighting and deliberate trouble starting caused by members who were given "carte blanche" by the admin to do whatever they want. Before my departure, I only left a few thousand cat pics here to comfort and ridicule the feminist owners who now run this place. Their background agenda is to make MGTOW look like a club of losers the public eye. And during the course of 2019, they actually managed to destroy almost all other MGTOW venues as well. Here is the truth about "theindependentman.org" aka "TIM" which was created as an extended workbench to further divide the community. When you register, they install a spyware Zombie cookie on your browser that does all kinds of things the user does not know of: http://www.filedropper.com/essay-on-the-removal-of-malware-cookies-used-by-tim
Anonymous42Some have been unplugged for years and have nirvana.
Roger that MATRIX, objective nirvana achieved, direct hit!
If it hadn’t been for the repeated warnings I read on this site when I was a lurker I might have plugged back in.
Agreed.
Thank you ALL for being here.
The silent chase for a unicorn is over. I no longer care if they might exist. Even unicorns are c~~~s.
And through you all, I have the final confirmation that my life experiences are not a mirage.
In July of 2018, this honey pot forum was sold out to an unidentified NPC sock puppet and troll organization. Most independent thinkers and writers migrated to other MGTOW forums as a result of the never-ending infighting and deliberate trouble starting caused by members who were given "carte blanche" by the admin to do whatever they want. Before my departure, I only left a few thousand cat pics here to comfort and ridicule the feminist owners who now run this place. Their background agenda is to make MGTOW look like a club of losers the public eye. And during the course of 2019, they actually managed to destroy almost all other MGTOW venues as well. Here is the truth about "theindependentman.org" aka "TIM" which was created as an extended workbench to further divide the community. When you register, they install a spyware Zombie cookie on your browser that does all kinds of things the user does not know of: http://www.filedropper.com/essay-on-the-removal-of-malware-cookies-used-by-tim
Anonymous18OP your description sounds like a poem. And for that kudos.
Reality, however, is different.
What is MGTOW? There is avalanche of ideas, opinions. What it is not is a bulletproof premise to solve problems or achieve one’s dreams.
Let me explain a bit.
A man forever will desire women. Period.
The blue pill idealism is foreign to women and that is red pill rage’s origin. No woman ever claimed love the way men want to believe in. Men created it, women oblige for times it serves their purpose. It is creation of men – like you and me. We were indoctrinated by men’s necessitous desire of being loved and ‘owning’ a woman to bear his seed.
Try as much but no one can escape plantation in its entirety. A man will stumble, he will fall, he will learn.
If you’re still plugged into the matrix of society, still caring about the opinions of the outside world, you are still living in blue pill hell. You’re still connected to the system. This very nature is contradictory of the concept of MGTOW.
MGTOW can seem like appealing escape route instead of facing the harsh reality of being a man striving to attain his goals in a gynocentric world.
If connected to system is contradictory to MGTOW then I throughly reject MGTOW.
The problem with left-hemisphere dominant ideologies is everything needs a label. And soon enough the label starts to encompass and dictate the behavior of anyone who self-classifies under such label.
The roots of MGTOW are organic. There is certainly rejection of one-fits-all mould men are subjected to in order to be perceived as normal or functioning.
A man went his way when he decided to do what he pleases. He disocciated from religion of public opinion.
Going against system is a cop-out. Rejecting society is losing proposition.
Blue pill men aren’t slaves to their urges, female manipulation and society rules because they are noble beings. They are so because they are weak.
MGTOW isn’t an ointment or a comforting idea. It forces you to remove the bandaid, peel the scab and understand the wounds. Denying pain, regret, and wishful alternatives to reality is a delusion. We all wish reality was different. No one wants to live with the bitterness of male disposability – but the idea is to grow stronger. Be less prone to use and manipulation.
Going MGTOW is incredibly hard and it may serve as some sort of comforting idea in the beginning – the fact remains that a man’s identity is tied to his purpose. And purpose will demand you stay plugged in the matrix. Understand it and maneuver around it. But rejecting it altogether would stagnate growth and give rise to other perils.
I also want to point out to El C~~~o that he may have not gone his own way completely. Yes, you are trying to help but once you go your own way, you don’t really need to be here as often.
Anonymous13We’re all still plugged into the Matrix but the difference is MGTOW know it’s the matrix even if we can’t actually fully escape.
The trouble with this matrix is it’s based in reality and somewhat persists.
However, we know it’s a dream and avoid women and relationships, but not all of us can avoid the whole of this reality we’re stuck in, until we really do find the off switch,
Oh wait………
Thank you ALL for being here.
The silent chase for a unicorn is over. I no longer care if they might exist. Even unicorns are c~~~s.
And through you all, I have the final confirmation that my life experiences are not a mirage.
+1
Anonymous13Remember too, there are a lot of MGTOW here still married.
They woke up during marriage and now can’t wait to get out, but for now have to live with a nasty c~~~ on a daily basis.
They need here too, and they need to bitch.
However, we know it’s a dream and avoid women and relationships, but not all of us can avoid the whole of this reality we’re stuck in, until we really do find the off switch,
Oh wait………
Yeah. Sometimes I wonder if El C~~~o wants me to put a gun to my head and GO MY OWN WAY.
If you’re still plugged into the matrix of society, still caring about the opinions of the outside world, you are still living in blue pill hell. You’re still connected to the system. This very nature is contradictory of the concept of MGTOW.
I’ve said that in these forums on numerous occasions. Despite the “different men, different journeys” argument, it seems that even the Rickest of Ricks among us can’t help themselves from bashing on women whenever the opportunity arises… almost as if they’re trying to constantly convince THEMSELVES that all the nasty things they’re saying about women are true.
Let me summarize my position:
1) The behavior of both women and men (hypergamy and dominance) are natural. Not evil, not nefarious, not ill intended, just natural.
2) The motivators of both women and men (desire for resources and security, desire for sex and companionship) are also natural.
3) There are many things about attempting to act on these natural drives that are dangerous in modern society such as unwanted pregnancies, unfair laws, the general denigration of men and masculinity, that can f~~~ up your life for good.
4) The reason that natural urges are so problematic is simple. Men who can not compete on fair grounds for sexual access to women have coordinated with women who can not compete on fair grounds for resources from men to pervert the natural order of things for their own advantage.
So if you want to get angry at someone about your inability to act out your natural desires without exposing yourself to unacceptable risk, figure out which of those groups of people you belong to and at least direct your anger appropriately. If you’re a wealthy, confident guy or a secually desirable woman, you should be angry at weak, worthless men and ugly, bitter women. If you’re a weak, worthless man or an ugly bitter woman… well, shake your fist at God or get off your ass and make something of yourself.
The bottom line is that the only people who can justly call themselves MGTOW are powerful men who could naturally attract sexually desirable mates but who must now decline to do so because the risk outweighs the rewards. It seems to me that such men would not waste their valuable resources talking s~~~ about other people (neither sexually desirable women nor weak, worthless men or ugly, bitter women) but would, instead, naturally seek out alternate methods to sublimate their instincts through a combination of sexual teplacements for biological women and activities that elevate themselves rather than putting others down.
This is what I expect of MGTOW. This is largely not what I’m getting and why I’ve suggested a special area akin to the litter box for men still in the throes of the red pill rage (I know what it’s like… I was there once myself) to focus their anger against women and manginas while the rest of us who have moved past that stage can carry on with our lives.
But hey, that’s unlikely to happen so you guys go ahead and bitch about women and the realities of their and your nature all you want and keep calling it your own way. Hopefully you’ll get over your attachment before it drives you to do something foolish or eats you up inside.
And that’s all I have to say about that.
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