An alpha without the experience of relationships

[FrostByteParticipant 19005]

@keymaster I really like your explanation on Alpha/Beta it helped my to understand this concept much better from the MGTOW perspective.

If you rescue a damsel in distress, all you will get is a distressed damsel.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

OldBill wrote:

For the record:

– Veteran status doesn’t automatically confer alpha status
– Combat veteran status doesn’t either
– Alpha status is primarily bulls~~~ concocted by PUA pussy beggars and other con artists interested in selling stuff to credulous fools

^^ FACT.

In fact…. a woman showed up in the front-end comments and said “my husband is the most alpha man I have ever met” and she went on to describe his military credentials.

But that’s still just a woman’s definition of it.
“He will marry me, and lay down his life for me”. etc.

The female definition of alpha/beta is the most bulls~~~ definition. Whatever she thinks is “alpha” is actually a man who sacrifices himself gives her whatever she wants, and that’s why men need to reject that s~~~.

That’s what PUAs do too. They attempt to convince other men, that by studying what women want – regardless of what they say they want – that “game” isn’t about ( and solely about ) giving women what they want.

OldBill wrote:

Act like the man you want to be.

Listen to OldBill here.

Women & PUAs consider “alpha” to be about being the man SHE wants him to be.

But it’s not a man’s responsibility to be the man SHE wants.
It’s every man’s responsibility to be the man HE always wanted to be.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[Anonymous 54]

OldBill wrote:

For the record:

– Veteran status doesn’t automatically confer alpha status
– Combat veteran status doesn’t either
– Alpha status is primarily bulls~~~ concocted by PUA pussy beggars and other con artists interested in selling stuff to credulous fools

Actions, not words or labels, define the man. Act like the man you want to be.

What ever we all call it,Big Respect to Combat Veterens!When we ride,you lead I bring up the rear.I ‘ll fetch the beer. And if I’m trustworthy and respectful ,mabey they’ll share some story’s and there truths!

[ExpendableYouthParticipant 381]

Lol, typical bulls~~~ label assigned to men.

I don’t know if the OP is trolling or what, is this a joke? An alpha without the experience of relationships, what exactly DOES THIS MEAN?

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

John Doe wrote:

The increase in dominate behavior,

You say that as if you think dominant behavior is one single thing in humans. It isn’t. You also seem to be associating it elusively with aggressive or violent behavior. It doesn’t.

The most “dominant” man I have ever known was also incredibly soft spoken and even tempered. And was a combat veteran.

Drunkenness, barfights, and/or sexual addiction… for the vast majority.

your selection bias is showing. You only think those are the majority because they are the ones you noticed. You don’t notice the veterans who behave themselves because they behave themselves, and probably never even learn that they are veterans.

Also “sexual addiction”? Really?

Addiction and Alcoholism in Vietnam War Veterans

Vietnam veterans are a unique case because they were the last drafted, but the first that allowed for draft deferments. So the poor schmucks that ended up in Vietnam were generally there because they didn’t have the wealth or social position to get out of it. And they maintained that social position after the war. And, well, that demographic is prone to addiction and alcoholism.

[Anonymous 3]

sidecar wrote:

The most “dominant” man I have ever known was also incredibly soft spoken and even tempered. And was a combat veteran.

Haha speak softly and carry a big stick! My father used to tell me that all the time when I was growing up!

[Anonymous 54]

To our Vietnam Veterans. Thank you .We love you. We ar PROUD of you. And last but not least….WELCOME HOME !!!!!!

[GnosticParticipant 2491]

So what I learn here is being an alpha means work and work more to get women.

Thank goodness I am not an alpha.

There is no magic in MGTOW, just recognition of the truth and logical decision how to avoid dangers. The red pill is but the truth, it is no magical potion. Do not think in this modern world men have no longer have natural enemies, men are prey to women and government.

[Anonymous 0]

sidecar wrote:

Addiction and Alcoholism in Vietnam War Veterans

Vietnam veterans are a unique case because they were the last drafted, but the first that allowed for draft deferments. So the poor schmucks that ended up in Vietnam were generally there because they didn’t have the wealth or social position to get out of it. And they maintained that social position after the war. And, well, that demographic is prone to addiction and alcoholism.

Drug and alcohol addiction among Vietnam vets usually started with PTSD, then the individual turned to substance abuse in order to self-medicate away the anxiety from the PTSD. So statistics on PTSD, alcohol addiction, and drug addiction are usually intertwined. That is, they extrapolate drug & alcohol addiction rates from the PTSD rate.

Anyway, from a study entitled “Addiction and Alcoholism in Vietnam War Veterans”

Some estimates place the total number of veterans that actually experienced combat in Vietnam at around 1.5 million. If we assume that only 10% of those veterans developed PTSD, then the total number of Vietnam war combat veterans suffering from both PTSD and alcoholism or drug addiction likely numbers in excess of 100,000.

In other words, they are estimating that there were 1.5 million combat vets. Of these, 150,000 developed PTSD. Of those 150,000 with PTSD, 2/3 went on to develop substance abuse problems in addition to the PTSD. That’s 100,000 troops with drug and alcohol addiction (along with PTSD).

So 100,000 troops with drug and alcohol addiction out of 1.5 million combat vets is less than 7% of all the combat vets who were in Vietnam. It’s a big number in terms of individual lives disrupted, but 7% is hardly “the vast majority” of combat vets (as John Doe declared earlier).

The study says that the rates of PTSD (and subsequent substance abuse) from the Vietnam war was higher than in later wars, in part due to the way the troops were rotated out of the war:

A great deal of this has been attributed to the fact that these vets were given little to no time to readjust to civilian life after intense periods as a ground troop. Thomas Brinson and Vince Treanor describe this in detail in a 2005 article in the VVA Veteran;

“. . . the individual rotation pattern utilized during the Vietnam War prevented soldiers from effectively working through their combat experiences before being plunged back into American society.” “Most soldiers in Vietnam . . . were individually assigned as green newcomers to units in the field from Replacement Battalions. After surviving their year’s tour of duty, they were sent home alone on a commercial airliner, often wearing jungle fatigues freshly covered with mud. Literally, within a brief 24-36-hour period, a combat soldier could be plucked away from his buddies in the middle of a firefight and deposited into the chaos of an urban traffic jam with no accommodations for jet-lag, much less for the culture-shock of readjustment to American life. (3)

In effect, the reception public of and attitude toward Vietnam veterans after they returned from combat is partly to blame for the results of the traumatic conditions they suffered – especially PTSD.

Link for the study: http://www.recoveryfirst.org/addiction-and-alcoholism-in-vietnam-war-veterans/

[Anonymous 54]

If I had gotten treated they way they did when they got back,id wanna get f~~~ed up too.And another thing …wheres there f~~~ing parade? They never got there f~~~ing parade. Yea it’s just a paraed,but it symbolizes so much more. Lord the raw deal they have gotten.

[Anonymous 0]

Anonymous wrote:

If I had gotten treated they way they did when they got back,id wanna get f~~~ed up too.And another thing …wheres there f~~~ing parade? They never got there f~~~ing parade. Yea it’s just a paraed,but it symbolizes so much more. Lord the raw deal they have gotten.

I guess it’s just how they did it back then. In those days, they didn’t even know what PTSD was. It was the first war where people could shuttle back and forth between home and the front line in a single day. They probably thought it was cool that they could just take someone off the front lines and fly them back home within a day.

Anyway, it wasn’t a problem for me personally. I went over there in March-April 1975 for the fall of Saigon and Operation Frequent Wind. It was the very last couple months of the war, and basically we just evacuated people.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fall_of_Saigon
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Frequent_Wind

Then we went back to Subic Bay in the Philippines and were given a week or two of liberty to hit the whorehouses in Olongapo City. After that there was the Mayaguez incident. But that only lasted a couple days and was over even before my ship got to Cambodia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mayaguez_incident

Then we went back to Subic Bay in the Philippines and hit the whorehouses for another couple weeks.

Anyway, a long vacation in the whorehouses of Olongapo City was a good enough “parade” for me. 🙂

[OldBillParticipant]

Anonymous wrote:

It was the first war where people could shuttle back and forth between home and the front line in a single day. They probably thought it was cool that they could just take someone off the front lines and fly them back home within a day.

That turned out to be a big mistake. Sending guys out and bringing them back as individuals instead as part of their larger unit was a big mistake.

They’d pull some guy out of Saigon, fly him back to CONUS in 24 hours, and then discharge him within a week or so. No one got any time to “decompress”.

Now, if he’d come back with his unit and they all made the trip in stages, all sorts of problems would have averted.

Of course, sending men out individually and bringing them back rapidly was part of the “sales pitch”; “Don’t worry, you only have to spend 13 months in country and we’ll pull you right out…”

These days the major problems are cell phones and the “dependapotamusses” on the other end of those cell phones. Young men in the military make some of the worst marriages imaginable. If they made me dictator tonight, I’d prohibit anyone below E6/O3 getting married. I’d also prohibit cell phones for individual troops outside of CONUS.

I can’t even begin to count the number of times some young man went on patrol completely distracted thanks to a cell phone call from his childish c~~~ of a wife. Here he is, getting ready for possible combat and with other men depending on him, only to get an earful of “text-ful” of bulls~~~ from some selfish lazy c~~~ about the TV breaking or the latest female drama sweeping base housing.

This constant drum beat about military wives having the “hardest” job in the Army, Navy, Marines, whatever makes me seethe with rage. I’d like to kick them all in the c~~~ and use them as snowshoes.

Do not date. Do not impregnate. Do not co-habitate. Above all, do not marry. Reclaim and never again surrender your personal sovereignty.

[Anonymous 0]

OldBill wrote:

That turned out to be a big mistake. Sending guys out and bringing them back as individuals instead as part of their larger unit was a big mistake.

They’d pull some guy out of Saigon, fly him back to CONUS in 24 hours, and then discharge him within a week or so. No one got any time to “decompress”.

Now, if he’d come back with his unit and they all made the trip in stages, all sorts of problems would have averted.

Of course, sending men out individually and bringing them back rapidly was part of the “sales pitch”; “Don’t worry, you only have to spend 13 months in country and we’ll pull you right out…”

Yeah, they said the Vietnam war was a big logistical leap forward. Every single round, every meal, every man had to be shipped from one side of the world (USA) to the other (Vietnam) for ten straight years. It was the first time something on that scale had been organized and carried out. Furthermore, commanders could radio in their body counts from battles, and at home we could see the body counts and watch film clips from the newsmen that same night on the nightly news. The war was a half-world away, but it was happening real-time on the TV and at the airports where the vets were coming and going.

Because the logistical lines to Vietnam were so well organized, the troops could be shuttled around quickly. But I guess they just didn’t realize that the troops needed some decompression time coming off the battlefield.

OldBill wrote:

These days the major problems are cell phones and the “dependapotamusses” on the other end of those cell phones. Young men in the military make some of the worst marriages imaginable. If they made me dictator tonight, I’d prohibit anyone below E6/O3 getting married. I’d also prohibit cell phones for individual troops outside of CONUS.

I can’t even begin to count the number of times some young man went on patrol completely distracted thanks to a cell phone call from his childish c~~~ of a wife. Here he is, getting ready for possible combat and with other men depending on him, only to get an earful of “text-ful” of bulls~~~ from some selfish lazy c~~~ about the TV breaking or the latest female drama sweeping base housing.

This constant drum beat about military wives having the “hardest” job in the Army, Navy, Marines, whatever makes me seethe with rage. I’d like to kick them all in the c~~~ and use them as snowshoes.

Yeah, the first time I became aware of that was when I saw the movie “Three Kings.” One of the characters is captured and waiting to be tortured. He finds a cache of looted cell phones and calls his wife back home to tell her to call his unit for help. Pretty funny scene as he listens to her babbling about her affairs at home and tries to reassure her that everything is fine while waiting for his captors to come get him. 🙂

It brought home exactly the point you’re making. Sometimes everything becomes so interconnected that war and home life start blurring together.

[Eric LauderParticipant 12043]

There’s no such thing as “alpha” and “beta”: those are female ideas.
Most (not all) men can play “alpha” or “beta” if and when they want.
Do you want to be “alpha”? There’s just only a basic requirement, you’ve to being born moderately attractive/a little more than decent looking – at such point you have to work on your assertiveness and hitting the gym, displaying a relative wealth / some good chances of career, and you’ll be identified as “alpha” by the women. Then after having had sex with enough women you’ll get bored.
The most easy thing is displaying relative wealth / good chances of career, because it’s all relative: if you’re an average white collar owning just only your apartment and your car, then you’re “rich” for poor women, and so on.
The “harder” thing is displaying assertiveness: it requires 3-4 months of intensive training by approaching a myriad of random women, it isn’t hard but it can be frustrating.

All those things can be funny for a while, even for few/some years.
Then you realize that being MGHOW is WAY better.

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