A qualified psychotherapist joins the ranks of mgtow

[Red Pill CounsellingParticipant 65]

Is it professional to reveal all this here? Ah, what the hell…

Like many of you I began my young adult life as a ‘blue piller’ looking for love and at just 21 years of age I thought that I had struck gold. I spent 9 long years in a committed relationship with a beautiful woman and was married already after just 2 of them. I fathered 3 children with her during this period (quite an incredible story of deception in itself but all sons!) as the cracks in our supposedly ideal traditional lifestyle began to gradually make themselves felt over time before the inevitable occurred, her hypergamous instinct kicked in and she began an affair when our son was just a few months old and I was left to survey the wreckage that ensued back in 2009. I was in my 3rd and final year studying for a Psychology degree at the time from which I had certainly grown and learned so much, and yet clearly I knew precious little about the very real differences between men and women. How had doing everything I could to make my wife feel supported and happy driven her into the arms of another man? It made no sense to me and I thought that I had just been unlucky to have been seized upon by someone so uncommonly selfish, after all I was consistently told by those in the know that NAWALT. I suffered terribly but managed to pick myself up quickly enough to win a prize by turning in the universities best Psychology dissertation of 2010 and attained 1st class honours overall as a result which I was so very proud of at the time considering the circumstances. According to so many well meaning people around me offering advice, there was still hope as one day I would meet that truly special girl who would honour and respect me and my life would be complete once again. Love would apparently conquer all and I did some internet dating to that end but found that over the past decade I had completely lost any ability to talk to women, they seemed distinctly unimpressed with me and expected so much more from a man than I ever remembered so how was I to attract someone virtuous and true with whom to share my life?

I had to know the truth about these mysterious creatures and threw myself into the study of human nature, completing a masters degree in Social Psychology whilst I focused strongly on evolutionary theory to find my answers. The only problem was that I was perhaps asking the wrong questions as the title of my second dissertation illustrates: ‘Do the behaviour patterns and character traits of men that are attractive to women point towards a set of learnable social skills that are grounded in evolutionary theory?’. This proved to be a most interesting study in human behaviour (with further insights being provided by the arguments between myself and my female supervisor who threatened to fail me over this topic, but gave me a 1st in the end when I stubbornly refused to back down) and on a personal level my new found popularity and ‘success’ with women around this time demonstrated that the answer to this question was a resounding yes. While (ahem) compiling research for my dissertation it gradually became easier and easier to enjoy intimacy with women I had just met but such superficial experiences became empty and hollow, I realised that these women did not care in any way about ‘me’ at all but merely about how I was able to make them feel. I wondered if perhaps I was just looking for good women in all the wrong places, what else would explain the fact that none of these women ever have any real substance to them? Surely a deeper connection was possible and I put this to the test during a long term relationship with one of the nicest women I ever met, this lasted for 2 and a half years with 2 of them spent co-habiting. Needless to say, despite her apparent virtues it all began to unravel over time as her carefully masked solipsistic nature gradually unravelled itself before my eyes. That one really hurt as it would be hard to even conceive of a female that could ever have been any more perfect for me or anyone else and yet even this was not good enough by a long chalk. I eventually ran out of excuses for female behaviour and had to accept them for what they really are without any bitterness or resentment. I fell back into my old ways for a few months following the break up but soon renounced the idea of ever living with a female again which was back in 2013, the doubts had been there for years but I finally realised that I’d spent all that time looking for something that did not exist. Women simply cannot love a male partner unconditionally and there is nobody to blame for this, it just is as it is.

Between 2010 and 2013 I had been spending a great deal of time volunteering my services with Samaritans, helping those experiencing emotional distress which was at times so severe that suicide attempts were commonplace. You already know why the suicide rates were so high amongst men in particular without me needing to say it. The same old patterns would repeat over and over like a broken record until I could accurately predict behaviour within relationships ahead of time whenever and wherever I looked – it really did begin to feel as though I knew too much for my own good. I actually managed to save a handful of people who later told me they would not be here if it were not for my finding a way to reach them, what an honour and a privilege to have been in a position to support my fellow man in this way. I knew from that time that whatever I did next had to involve helping people to believe in themselves and their own potential, to find a purpose for their life and I was going to pick them up off the floor and carry them if I had to.

Counselling seemed like the logical career choice but I found that the Psychology degrees did not fully qualify me for this and so I embarked upon the required 2 year advanced diploma in Psychotherapeutic Counselling. I was fortunate to gain a work placement with a local community interest company to gain all of my experience and was even made a director of the organisation once qualified. 1,000s of interactions with both men and women opening up to me and sharing their most private and personal struggles have burned the very essence of human nature into my consciousness and it’s not always a particularly pretty sight. Mindfulness, meditation and spirituality have all played a part in my own journey toward finding inner peace, though this is not necessarily the path for everyone. Much of what I see in the world of psychology and psychotherapy is complete nonsense, as an iconoclast I have always ignored convention and gone my own way in my approach to counselling (my peer group supervision sessions have always been a lot of fun for the students for this reason) and life in general. It is most certainly important to give people the truth (provided they are strong enough to handle it) and to help them process it and I do see a lot of that here.

Thank you.

[Solo MAN’S WisdomParticipant]

First: Welcome RPC. I look forward to your insights on future posts.

Red Pill Counselling wrote:

‘Do the behaviour patterns and character traits of men that are attractive to women point towards a set of learnable social skills that are grounded in evolutionary theory?’.

My observations are women are attracted to 4 things.
1. Wealth [i.e. Power].
2. Fame.
3. Danger / Criminality.
4. Whatever they can’t have.

I would be curious to see if my observations are supported by data.

When women lead, destruction is the destination. -- Me.

[Chaff/FlareParticipant 3235]

EXCELLENT! I have written two letters in the last two months to the The American Psychiatric Association to the word C~~~ into the DSM. F~~~ers don’t even have the decency to answer!

Any help would be appreciated.

When you find yourself in the majority, it's time to reflect.

[Anonymous 16]

Welcome sir.
Its great to see a men of your profesion backing our theories. Couse looks like modern psichology does not see MGTOW as something logical. And usually Shame us to death And acuse us.

I agree with solomons And add:
– looks And phisical (genes) for reproduction.

[Anonymous 42]

Welcome RPC, Psychologist? Good luck!

Insanity is the new sanity!

I wrenched my own head and got it running strong and smooth! 3,000 gallons of femout through my mental carburetor did the trick! The only thing after all is said and done is you don’t want to be a woman in my new life’s new standards.

All mental illness originates from t~~~ and clits then migrates to the brain!

Welcome to the worlds largest and finest group of unlicensed psychiatrists! WELCOME to MGTOW!

[Anonymous 3]

Warm welcome!

Red Pill Counselling wrote:

Women simply cannot love a male partner unconditionally and there is nobody to blame for this, it just is as it is.

The only “person” , who unconditionally loves men as they are, is their dog if they have one. They run to greet you even if you are late and smell like beer and are tired.
Women will not love you that way. Arrive too late at home? Drunk a few beers with friends in the pub on your way home (if you don’t drive)? Lost job, or earning less? whatever? Results in bitching. Then relationship can end very quickly. This is an universal truth.

There is no such thing as NAWALT. All women are “like that”. And, even if not literally “all”, you could spend more than a few dozen life times of time to find one. So it just does not pay off, not worth and to risky to try. Period. You are more likely to take a photo of an unicorn while riding in your favorite MTB trails. This is very mournful fact hard to accept for most of the people.

[TuneoutParticipant]

Welcome brother and if YOU can’t figure them out-

NOBODY can! LOL

Lifes a bitch,but you don't have to marry one!

[Anonymous 3]

Red Pill Counselling wrote:

I knew precious little about the very real differences between men and women.

There is a good book on that which I read long time ago (in my blue pill age, while trying to get girlfriend) it is titled something like “Why women cry and why men lie” it has some simple basic differences between the sexes. (Not an MGTOW book, more psycho book, but it was interesting for me back then)

[Anonymous 54]

Welcome my educated Brother! The school of hard nocks has taught me,bithces are all the same. Greeeedy ,and incapeable of gratitude,or empethy toward Men.

[Tiga KParticipant 1693]

Welcome to mgtow.com and thank you for taking the time to write such a detailed introduction.

[Anonymous 3]

Red Pill Counselling wrote:

I was perhaps asking the wrong questions

Happens to all people. We are so brain-washed and filled up with false information, that when bulls~~~ ideas began to fall apart, we ask the wrong questions.In fact, the real question is many layers below those topics what one begins to ask questions on.

For me, long story short, I was an unhappy boy in a toxic family. I asked first, why girls don’t like me? Then learned about differences between sexes and how to pick up a girl. (Assuming, that it will make me happy.) Then, many years later, I asked “What am I doing wrong, that my relationships don’t last?” (Assuming,that a long term one will make me happy.) And after I had a longer one, I asked “Why did this not make me happy? Am I choosing women wrongfully? What did I do wrong? What is the truth about the relationships?” That is what (after many months of googling around, lead me here to the forum, where I was considered a hacker due to my funny email address, and I asked myself the wrong question for months “What is wrong with my browser settings that I can’t join?” While the truth was an attack on the site that time. Then after months, Keymaster let me in.

[Ned TrentParticipant 4894]

Oh wow, so it seems we got full blown backup now. Blimey, and welcome, new man…

And well, it arguably goes to show that even if one as a man has actually studied psychology, it doesn’t necessarily prevent you from stepping straight into them pitfalls of female nature … … interesting to say the least.

I'd rather die a natual death with a clear MGTOW conscience somewhere off the grid than one within "modern" civilisation with a big stress mark on my forehead and a couple of dozen tubes plugged into my body. Back to the plantation..? Me..? Hey, literally: I won't ever fucking kid myself...YZERLMNTSIC

[FermatParticipant 3478]

Welcome. Good to see men of science here. Most of us here are very educated and your experience will certainly add to the plethora of knowledge here.

I have discovered a truly remarkable list of reasons why women are not necessary for a happy life, but alas this margin is too small to contain it.

[NerevarParticipant 8040]

Welcome, brother!

"One of the best things internet exposed is just how insane women are." - Freeman_K

[JuehueParticipant 1316]

Welcome, you might wanna check this out. I would like to hear your opinion.

MGTOW.com is now clinically recommended by psychologist

[RusskyParticipant 13503]

That’s awesome. I’m looking forward to reading your qualified opinions.
Welcome!
How did you find MGTOW?

proud carrier of the 'why?' chromosome

[Chaff/FlareParticipant 3235]

Russky, you’re cracking me up.

When you find yourself in the majority, it's time to reflect.

[Anonymous 3]

Ned Trent wrote:

actually studied psychology, it doesn’t necessarily prevent you from stepping straight into them pitfalls of female nature

Even if one is smart, emotions and brain chemistry can make the smartest person into goddamn stupid. Also, emotions can keep you away from doing the right thing, like for example, to break up a bad relationship with dozens of red flags but you are still into the girl and don’t want to hurt and offend her (I had too much empathy for that bitch and liked her in the bed, but she tried to derail my life into boring s~~~.)

Also, girls can be a totally different person in the first months compared to that, what comes later on. I experienced this.

[$$$Crenshaw1118Participant 516]

Welcome brother. Great to see us get another well educated psychotherapist. I know myself, I sure could use some of your intelligence. But that’s a whole nother story. Glad you came our way and not go jumping back to another relationship.

[Red Pill CounsellingParticipant 65]

Thank you everyone for such a warm welcome, I really didn’t expect that and all the insightful replies but I can tell you that it is very much appreciated.

I was already married with 2 kids before starting that Psychology degree, but considering that there were very few males in attendance, actually only one other guy attended the lectures on both the MSc and advanced diploma, it is clear just how gynocentric the social sciences have become. There were a few male lecturers (and they were always the best) but even they appeared to know their place. I do remember one incident when the lecturer for cognitive neuroscience became incredibly angry at the standard of essays that had been handed in, a disgrace the like of which he had never seen before. They were given back to each student and when I looked at mine (a piece on the modularity of the brain) I was astonished to find that I had been given an A. I spoke with him about this and he even offered to provide me with references, however six months later when I decided to take him up on the offer he was not at the university any more and I really hope that it was because he’d retired. Another lecturer stopped me in the corridor once to congratulate me on one of the finest answers to an exam question that he had ever marked, he literally said that it shone out from all the others. Some of the female lecturers however would mark my other exam answers and essays (written to exactly the same standard) far more scathingly. I compared notes on one essay with someone once just to see what was going on, and while she was astonished at the level of carefully researched detail I was going into – I could not understand how her sub standard efforts were being marked just as highly. The subjectivity in grades awarded was striking and appeared to be based on nothing more than gender, it was as if the female markers were looking for more of a ‘nice story’ based on moral posturing rather than anything based on reason and evidence – one of them even suggested in the feedback that I added some poetry if you can believe that. Most of what I learned in those years was self taught, I would sit in the libraries for hours poring over books and making my own notes often on completely unrelated topics and I would at least always go into more depth than required.

Yes, I’d actually seen that article as I’ve been visiting the site on the quiet for a while now (I will have to check that book out however) – perhaps I really should be recommending MGTOW.com. I have been known to mention the movement itself to some male clients though and have pointed them towards some of the youtube videos out there. It is often a bit of a balancing act as I obviously work in an area that is dominated by females and as such have always had to be careful what I say and to whom. Perhaps now I can actually use my voice to help other men without being muffled by those who would prefer us not to know the truth. We’re in the midst of trying to set up a men’s support group in our area (I live in the UK and yes I voted for Brexit) as part of the company I’m involved with, but again the walls have ears and it would be very easy to get myself into trouble. You may well be right about all of those variables, but imagine the entertaining challenge inherent in trying to get the green light on a ‘women want what they can’t have’ variable in a social sciences department made up of women. Still, if I ever get enough money together to fund my own PhD I’m sure we could all have a lot of fun designing a study. I’d probably be up for it, in fact I’d love to do it.

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