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Guess what man. Your story is normal. Many of us have been through the ringer too. Some, even worse.
We have all been broken and are here to help each other rebuild.
I have a few suggestions to give you a good start.
1. Cut those women out of your life. They are poison. Trust me.
2. Don’t have sexual relations of any kind until you are whole again.
3. Seek help for your anxiety issues if you haven’t already. If the pills don’t work, kratom could be a good aid.
4. Visit this website every day for at least a month. It has helped so many of us become stronger and smarter men.
5. Don’t hold back or feel the need to censor yourself on this website. Let yourself go. We will not shame you.You are safe now. Consider us to be your brothers.
Welcome home.
Re 3.: When the breakup happened back in September after a distressing weekend, I was in total despair and identity loss. I was drinking too much, had no goals, was unhappy in life and work living at home with an alcoholic, drug using aging parent. I was not above it.
I decided after the break that I needed some major changes. I quit the drinking (from 12 pack a day to nothing, to only a couple on the weekend), started eating to gain (from 175 to 200 lb) and hit the gym. I started seeing a counselor for anxiety/relationship fallout, but his approach is more or less “spiritual” and based generally on “the power of positive thinking”, Eckhart Tolle and all of that. It truly helped, just doing silly affirmations, looking at myself in the mirror telling myself I love myself, etc. I made it a goal to eat 4500+ calories a day, and seeing changes made me feel better, the mental attitude shift helped with anxiety…but a few months was apparently not enough to set it in stone, hence the blowup this holiday season. The mushroom cloud is still visible. I wanted her back and I wanted her back with me on a new course, now moving into my own place, following hobbies, gains in the gym and at work, a new confidence…but it all blew up in my face in a matter of a week.
..all that to say that I am not keen on the idea of taking any sort of brain chemistry-altering pill, though kratom sounds interesting, and I’ll look into it. Thinking I’ll get back on a 5-htp/melatonin regimen.
Please don’t be too hard on yourself. We’ve all been there. They say that the first relationship after a major breakup is the most stressful and I think this applies to most situations after a major breakup.
Breathe deeply, wiggle your toes, and keep reading here."It seems like there's times a body gets struck down so low, there ain't a power on earth that can ever bring him up again. Seems like something inside dies so he don't even want to get up again. But he does."
Please don’t be too hard on yourself. We’ve all been there. They say that the first relationship after a major breakup is the most stressful and I think this applies to most situations after a major breakup.
Breathe deeply, wiggle your toes, and keep reading here.Thanks for the kind words. It may not be clear from my rambling, but I went back with girl who left. She “loves me.” Told her whole family and friends that she was going to marry me. Told me that she was in love and missed me the whole time we were on our “break up” even though she jumped back in with her ex ex, etc. and it was not acceptable that I saw other women during that time. Not deleting texts to a random bimbo was a fatal mistake that led to the volcanic eruption on NYE and ultimate close of our relations~~~. Violence, dishonesty, manipulation, up and down, uncertainty, self-loathing, depression, lethargy, the works.
I’ve worn myself down to nothing loving two different women (5 and 2 year LTR’s respectively). All I got was abuse and herpes. I’ve had sex with and dated enough women to know that at this point I no longer desire the chase, I no longer desire a relations~~~. I’m sad that love is just a load of crap generated by neurons in the brain, but sometimes the truth hurts. I have no energy or emotion left for women. It is time for me to step in and save myself. At 28, I have no more time to waste and I’m starting from the bottom. I feel lonely, I am upset that I wasted my education and had such a s~~~ty attitude that I didn’t grab life by the pussy and am now in a situation working by the hour for nothing with no long term future or goals to work for. But self-pity and whining will get me nowhere and I know it’s true that with the right attitude, focus and effort, virtually anything can be done. Thanks again.
I’d like to know more about PTSD and recovery.
‘The mushroom cloud is still visible. I wanted her back and I wanted her back with me on a new course, now moving into my own place, following hobbies, gains in the gym and at work, a new confidence…but it all blew up in my face in a matter of a week.
Actually you do not want her back. You want the woman in your head back. But you realize the woman in reality is not the woman in your head. You are struggling to acknowledge that the woman you love exist in your head only. It will get better once you accept that the woman in reality will never become the woman in your head.
You are lucky. You make no mention of alimony and child support, hence you have no alimony and child support troubling you. Some gentlemen here only wake up after two or three divorce and knee deep in debts. And they are stuck in a lifetime of slavery to the woman and government. Some gentlemen had their children poison to hate them. Can you imagine how heartbreaking it is for them to have their children they love to hate them.
You are still 28 and there is no permanent damage done to you. You can get out of it as you done before. You already know what to do and just need somebody to lend you an ear. Some years later you might even be grateful to the woman who break you into red pill without permanent damage. Live your life to the fullest and size the day.
There is no magic in MGTOW, just recognition of the truth and logical decision how to avoid dangers. The red pill is but the truth, it is no magical potion. Do not think in this modern world men have no longer have natural enemies, men are prey to women and government.
You are exactly right, the support here is unprecedented.
Comparatively speaking I am a lucky man, and ultimately do have to thank these women for teaching me that myself is what I have. I am tired of failing to be the man of integrity, honesty, discipline and happiness that I truly am.
My situation is easy compared with what many of the men here have gone through/are going through, no doubt about it. Now, when I get down about this broad, I just imagine if I had actually married her, and god forbid, had kids (I do want children in the future, that’s a hard one to swallow). I’m not financially lucrative at this point, so there wouldn’t have been much for her to take, but I have the intelligence and skill to get there, the rest is drive and attitude. I know if I stayed trapped in a relations~~~, I’d never be able to put in the time and effort into my work and my future. Thank you all for listening. I hope my experience will ultimately be beneficial to others, and I will one day be able to impart my own grains of wisdom from personal experience.

Anonymous3Hello Virginius, and welcome to the forum.
Not deleting texts to a random bimbo was a fatal mistake that led to the volcanic eruption on NYE and ultimate close of our relations~~~. Violence, dishonesty, manipulation, up and down, uncertainty, self-loathing, depression, lethargy, the works.
Have you stop to consider that the “mistake” was what saved you?Where would you be if it was not for that mistake?
Why would you have to delete text messages? Because you wanted to hide something? And that something was exactly the same as that GF was doing, but she always finds a justification/excuse, while you doing it has no excuse?
When men have to hide and do things as if they are mischievous little children, then how can they not feel self-loathing?
The truly religious people believe God is watching everything, and that keeps them in line most of the times. But even if we are not religious, we must realize that WE ARE WATCHING OURSELVES. We are our own judge, and a very strict one at that.
So, when a men does something that he has reason to be ashamed for, then he is selling himself short. And HE KNOWS IT. That is why he will despise himself.
We live a wrong life trying to find validation in other people’s eyes and through other people’s values. In fact the only validation that counts is our own, the only values that we truly care are ours.
This makes the case for self-validation and self-respect. Only you can say what is right for YOU, because you have to live with yourself. This makes a case for freedom and sovereignty, to live according to our values.
That is:
GOING…
OUR…
OWN…
WAY…I wrote when I was in middleschool that love is nothing but pain.
Why the hell I did not take my own advice.. Relationship after relationship. Same s~~~.
You want to know what I was doing wrong?
I was NOT listening to the men that were trying to give me good advice.
Then I was guilted into thinking I owed women something.
THen it was me thinking that I could not do any better.
Then it came to me thinking.. Hmm/ Maybe I never got the woman I always wanted. let me try.
Nope.
I keep thinking maybe if I got to her first things would have been different.
Nope.
You see, the reason why this happens to us, is that we never get that chance to really understand that times have changed. But we keep getting spoon fed this bulls~~~ that is not real.
We swallow it with pride, but there is no point filling that gut with air.
It takes up the space, but you always feel empty.
You wonder why everyone was so content 50 years ago. And why we can’t have that now.
I wonder… Were they? I mean were women really different?
You look back, and you see that women were TOLD by a large margin that they WANT this, and it makes them HAPPY.
But now, you look back. And you have to wonder. Were women really just hiding who they are? Or were men to afraid to admit that they themselves were duped?
I don’t know. But I can tell you one thing.
Women WANT a man they can not have. THey know that that man will never have them. But they like that they have a man that they can be used by to feel better.
It goes beyond logic. But once a woman has been brought up in a s~~~y way, they never get better.
I’m sorry man. I know your life was not that much better. That’s why you fell for it.
You were thinking deep down that women really are more than the sum of their parts.
But there not. Actually, the very VERY few that are different. They are some kind of anomaly. And you have to wonder deep down, is it that they are stubborn, and want to prove they are different? Or are they really fighting some kind of internal battle?
Bro, we are told from an early age, love can solve all the worlds problems. Love will make all things good. Love will overcome any obstacle.
What they DON’t TELL YOU…
THAT KILLS YOU.
You think that its almost magical they way you feel about her. But in her mind, she says she loves you. But does she even know what that means?
Does she really deep down have that conviction that you had.
I’m sorry bro. But the truth is. Women are bound to their programming. They feel no conviction for their actions.
They will justify their actions anyway they can. Even at the cost of another.
Women unlike men have never had to deal with the consequences of their wants.
We have given them everything. And it seems that we all forgot the most critical lesson that only one sex seems to take seriously. One critical aspect of what happens when people don’t earn what they get.
When you think back to when you were a kid, what was the one thing that the girls never had to deal with.
In High School, what did women never have to learn?
And what were they taught all their lives?
When you get right down to it. You get one hell of a f~~~ed up human being.
Sadly, some of the most wonderful of the human species happens to be people that have had to deal with an actual hard life and its lessons.
And to know that you as a man have no value unless you put worth and trust in yourself to be great, it makes you a real well rounded person.
Women NEVER sit at home alone and think about their worth. Its told to them from an early age that they are naturally given worth. And They know men will want them no matter what and will always be able to seek value.
But as they too start to age, Mother nature gives them a cruel dose of reality.
They now may realize that their lives were s~~~. They never got what they were looking for. But it does not mean anything to them.
Unlike men, they don’t feel that they have any real worth. And that’s why they will never understand why one day, men will stop looking at them. Stop caring about what they say, and won’t be able to command any attention unless they fall pray to their own realization that their own lives are shallow. Filled with nothing more than a mentality to blame others for their loss of fulfilment.
You on the other hand, have nothing but regret. But WHY?
Let me tell you bro. Its not regret that it ended. It regret that you were not able to help another human being become more than the some of their parts.
You have a lifelong realization that YOU put in the hard work. You tired to make her life better. And YOU f~~~ing did something worthwhile.
She threw it away, not you bro.
And best of all? You did it for no other reason or goal but to be able to make the world a better place by doing something that made no sense at all.
YOU are the better person. You gave the world value. And YOU my brother (god that sounds so KLAN LIKE 🙂 got the better end of the deal.
No (sane) man is ever going to look down on you for taking the risk of putting your own life at jeopardy for another human being. You did not do this because it benefited you.
You did this out of the one thing that is unexplainable. You did it cuz you had a real heart.
(Boy that sounds gay.. Oh well)
No other being in this universe that we know of would willingly take the sacrifice that you were willing to put up front. You would have shielded her from bullets. (even missiles, and some elephants, maybe even the BORG) You would have taken care of her when she was ill. Even when she grew old and haggard, you would have always stood by her.
Your reward? A constantly depreciating investment.
Bit did you care about this future outlook? Nope.
Being conscious that you were willing to do all this for another person for the rest of your life with the only reward being more pain and misery and suffering to you.
What other entity out there does that?
Then you realize the truth.
You have done more in your life then she will ever be able to accomplish. She will never earn the place to be called a human being.
You sir, even in your short lifetime have been able to accomplish greatness that she will never be able to attain.
That is why you will live the rest of your days with happiness, joy and fulfillment.
When your heart aches. You know without a doubt you have a soul.
And the only reason why it does, is you were not able to fulfill your unselfish need to help another.
Many will try to explain it away as need to feel not alone.
This is the bulls~~~ that they tell you to marginalize who you are.Women and men alike know this. But you only have to open your eyes to see that women will always try to tell you that you are nothing but your physical needs.
Little do they know, that the reason why you want them is not due to just a hurdle of biological circumstances. It was not her body that you wanted to share. It was you.
Ask a woman what she wants in a man. And can see. Its so shallow, you start to wonder. What on earth did I ever see in her.
Once you see that. You will heal.
As a man, you may feel that you have failed.
However, the truth is you never accepted defeat. She gave up. You never did. That means something bro.
Your mind told you this was stupid. But your heart won out.
And the magic here?You were able to transcend your programing. TO be more then the some of your parts.
She can’t do that bro. That’s not your fault. And she will never be able to come to terms with that.
You paid your dues. Time to make this life the one you always wanted to live.
🙂
You are all alone. If you have been falsely accused of RAPE, DV, PLEASE let all men know about the people who did this. http://register-her.net/web/guest/home
You wonder why everyone was so content 50 years ago. And why we can’t have that now.
I wonder… Were they? I mean were women really different?I was there 50 years ago, and the answer is NO, the married guys were not content and the women were not really different.

Anonymous3iMickey503,
BRAVO!
I wish I could give you more than one star.
Women NEVER sit at home alone and think about their worth. Its told to them from an early age that they are naturally given worth. And They know men will want them no matter what and will always be able to seek value.
But as they too start to age, Mother nature gives them a cruel dose of reality.
They now may realize that their lives were s~~~. They never got what they were looking for. But it does not mean anything to them.
Unlike men, they don’t feel that they have any real worth. And that’s why they will never understand why one day, men will stop looking at them. Stop caring about what they say, and won’t be able to command any attention unless they fall pray to their own realization that their own lives are shallow. Filled with nothing more than a mentality to blame others for their loss of fulfilment.
Mickey, what a post. Thank you, brother. Rereading my first post I think I come across as more of an erratic loser than I really am, but you are right on point.
I’m thankful for so much. I can’t thank this community enough for providing resources and support that have made this tumultuous time in my life easier to understand and work through. Self-reflection, taking accountability and responsibility are harder for some of us than others, but you guys have helped with the emotional and mental pain more than you know (oh, I know you all know).
That said, I’m admittedly and shamefully still up s~~~ creek: How do I break away from this relationship that exhibits BPD signs and severe codependency? I blocked the girl from my phone following the weekend of volcanic eruptions of mental illness, and when she found out I blocked her she drove to my friends house, my mom’s house, my dad’s house (thankfully she doesn’t know where my new apartment is) where she ultimately found me. She obviously has attachment disorder and abandonment issues and obviously just wants the validation as her world crashes around her until she can find another man to take my place (mind you, we “broke up” for a couple of months while she rebounded to her old ex, who she was in contact with all the way to NYE, but because of things I said that morning I think she’s been written off by him for sure, so she has to start brand new instead of gravitating toward easy which will take more time). I unblocked her for fear of social and legal repercussion, but her true nature is just continuing to reveal itself in the form of texts and phone calls “I know s~~~ hit the ultimate fan this weekend, but did you fix my kourig coffee machine asshole?” “It’s 1 AM and I’ve been out, I don’t know boundaries, I love you but I don’t really love you, but I don’t want to lose you, but I still care.”
She’s the type that will stalk, and because she’s friends with many of my crowd (I only have a few good buddies around anymore, but she’s friends with them) and acquaintances I know, I’m afraid she’ll impulsively doxx me, reveal extremely personal things, publicly shame with private information, make up s~~~, etc. So I feel as if I just have to be as unresponsive and closed off as possible until she finds someone else to focus on, while making her feel like I’m still reachable but not really there.
I just need to focus on me and becoming the man I am meant to be, but she won’t just give it up. Won’t stop the antics, can’t stop the antics. Doesn’t get it one bit. I understand why I’ve attracted these women, but getting away from them is a lot harder than getting with them.
Welcome V,
Congratulations on finding MGTOW and making your Introduction.
Cheers to the MGTOWs who wrote the replies. Those replies are all excellent.
V, when you work with MGTOWs, your life will get better, especially when you can accelerate your learning curve and avoid making the same mistakes.
Try to absorb everything MGTOWs are telling you.
Keep reading the Forums and the Archives.
The Introduction section of the MGTOW forums is filled with men just like you who are asking the same questions.
Most of the thoughtful replies by other MGTOWs in those Introductions are brilliant.
Here is an example of an excellent reply that was given to a man who posted his introduction, “New to MGTOW today” :
Esther Vilar’s book saved me so that recommendation to read it is very good. A similar book by a Nigerian author in England is The Anatomy of Female Power. Both are online at:
Esther Vilar
The Manipulated Man
https://dontmarry.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/the_manipulated_man.pdfChinweizu
The Anatomy of Female Power
http://therawness.com/AFP.pdfYou will find the members here are very experienced and sharing information is invaluable. I have only been on site for a few months, and despite being over 70 years old, I have learned a lot of explanations for the female behavior I had experienced or seen in the past. Prior to MGTOW, you had to have been lucky to have had any married men really warn you about the perils of marriage. Now the married and divorced men are finally getting to tell their stories here. So listen to them. They will keep you out of trouble.
Having serenity as a direct result of being on the “MGTOW Road” allows me to fully enjoy peace and tranquility.
Now watching a sunset is amazing.
Going for a walk at sunrise is miraculous.
Having a moment to watch the birdies is wonderful.
Now I am never “bored.”
In hind sight, my relationS~~~s with women was an addiction which ruined my inborn Serenity. This addiction has the same chemical characteristics on the body as using Heroin.
Also, the influences of women compelled me to do things that were not in my best interests even though I believed them to be “exciting” activities.
You can expect a “crash” every time you are cut off from your addiction. Temporarily finding another woman to f~~~ is just a “hair of the dog” fix. It will only keep you addicted.
Removing Blue and Purple Pill indoctrination is like peeling layers off of an onion. It takes time to unlearn bad habits and to understand how to live as a free man.
I hope you are able to make better choices than me and move past addiction to reclaim your natural instincts and essential Serenity.

What happens when a man finally comprehends the cold and calculating thoughts that are going through a woman's mind, while her eyes are brimming with tears?
Damn, TMM, that’s it isn’t it? Thanks for your reply (and material). I really want to read Vilar’s book, must be out of print…amazon has a few. I’m not big fan of reading anything of length in digital format.
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