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[KeymasterKeymaster]

Stargazer wrote:

We stopped being ‘gentlemen’ when you stopped being ‘ladies’. Deal with it.
Best comment in the entire thread. Just about sums it up perfectly.

It’s good but inaccurate. Men still treat women MUCH too well.

In a recent video, (google “south park drunk knock out”) …
9 out of 10 random men would NOT hit a woman back – even when she’s throwing repeat punches.

There is still WAY to much chivalry in the world.

Forget “lady”. Even when women behave like sub-humans, men are FAR too kind.
But we’re working on it.

The 10th guy who finally knocked her down should have totally ignored her too. It hurts worse.
That’s why she’s throwing punches in the first place: For attention.

Treat her like the subhuman she is, and never give it to her.
Even knocking her down is too much of a compliment.
It’s more attention than she deserves.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

Hi, my name is Ben, and I’m a MGHOW.

Since before knowing anything about the movement, some things about feminism and the way men had come to be treated just didn’t sit right with me.  About 10 years ago when I was in my early 20’s, I wondered aloud (and in the presence of women) why it is that if both a man and woman are drunk and have sex, the man can be locked up for rape and the woman has no responsibility for her own actions.  Obviously if the woman is incoherent or incapacitated, a violation has occurred, but aside from that, what gives?  The response was what you’d expect:  The women turned red in the face and the men got saucer-eyed as if to say “…Dude.  We all think it but we NEVER say it.”  It seemed like a perfectly reasonable question to me.  How can men be responsible for what they do while intoxicated and women aren’t?  And that’s the way feminists want it?  I thought the movement was about equality.  Do women not get DUIs?  Of course they do, so why does a sufficient quantity of some fruity drink with an umbrella in it remove all culpability from a person in the event that one single, specific act happens, but not all others?  I realized I had hit a major nerve, and wondered how far that rabbit hole went.

As time went on, I continued to speak my mind about certain issues, specifically revolving around the perceived “rape culture.”  It didn’t matter how much prefacing I did when voicing those opinions, and how much I had in the way of facts and real data to back up what I said.  The response was the same, and always involved the words “patriarchy” and “misogynist.”  I had always assumed that some sense of justice was inherent to people, or that it at least works its way into all of us while we’re young.  I would learn that either I was mistaken in that assumption, or that somehow, some peoples’ ideas of justice become so skewed over time that they go as far as to cease having anything to do with justice at all.

I started college a little later than most (I was 25), and went to the smaller state university up in the mountains.  It’s close to being what one would call a college town, so I expected a lot more feminist trash, the university environment being what it is.  I was not disappointed.  I ended up taking a Womens’ Studies class (didn’t want to…it was the only class that fit the gap in my schedule that also fulfilled the requirement for a “feelings” class).  I kept my mouth shut.  I knew what they wanted.  In those classes, you are required to sit there and drink the Kool-Aid, so to speak.  Absorb the ideology, and go forth as a soldier of feminism.  For the whole semester I regurgitated what they wanted to hear, though when I was required to bring some original thought to the table, I gave them benign questions they couldn’t answer more often than not (e.g. “How do we reconcile feminism with some of the American subcultures that carry the expectation of chivalry?” and so forth).  In the end, I was labelled a rapist to my face twice simply due to the fact that penis.  I guess they were on a Marilyn French tear or just hadn’t hit their misandry quota for the week.  In hindsight, I learned a hell of a lot in there.  Unfortunately for them, though, what I learned was the opposite of the “correct world view” I was ordered to assimilate.  I learned just what lengths feminists will go to in order to keep themselves in a perpetual state of victimhood and men under the permanent label of “predator.”  (In short, whatever lengths are necessary.)  This class opened up the rabbit hole to the point that it made the Grand Canyon look like a divot in the teebox on a 180yd par 3.  It was in there that I went from “pretty uncomfortable about some injustices, but I know enough now to avoid them” to “ok, you people need to go.”  In addition, I came away with some pretty hilarious and profound stories about what went on in that room.  I’ll share if anyone wants to hear.

Shortly after graduating, I was hanging out with some people.  The girls wanted to know where all the good men had gone and why they weren’t being wined and dined anymore.  To some minor extent, I regret the degree to which I blew their hair back.  Despite their ignorance, they’re nice enough people who had the misfortune of growing up in a culture that caters to their every whim at the expense of the needs of everyone else.  In this case, they’re products, not activists or malicious man-haters.  I still wouldn’t marry either of them (or anyone else) if my life depended on it, mind you, but I’ll have a beer with them, and hopefully educate them a bit.  Anyway, on the way home that night, a certain Rage Against the Machine song came on the radio (see subject line) that was such a suitable response to what the girls had asked and caught me at such a time, I think I damaged my speakers as well as my vocal chords.  Oh well.  It became my MGTOW anthem.

By now, I’ve learned that despite the fact that feminism needs to go, it won’t any time soon.  It’s no longer an activist movement — it’s a dogmatic ideology, the followers of which now resemble radical religious zealots in that the indoctrination has gone so far, it is going to take the education of the next generation in terms of actual equality and then a sufficient period of time for that generation to come to power for any systematic change to take place.  The pendulum has started to swing back in some ways, but until the laws change to a point that men don’t get the short end of the stick wherever possible AND those laws are executed as intended, I’m done.  It probably won’t happen in my lifetime, but c’est la vie.  The rabbit hole continues to grow (Yes Means Yes, compulsory expulsion from universities in response to rape allegations, feminist censorship reaching new levels, fart rape, domestic violence bias, etc.) and I can’t even see the opening anymore.

That’s where I am today.  My MGTOW framework is as follows (subject to change, of course):  I’m not going to stop socializing with women, but it’s on my terms.  I’ll treat them the way I want to be treated, but the line is drawn at marriage, entitlement, and manipulative mind games.  With luck, someone will ask me in a poll and I can be a +1 in the “Men Aged 20-34 Not Marrying” report but if not, makes no difference.  When the entitlement shows itself, it’s getting squashed right now.  The instant the manipulation begins (and it will), it’s sayonara, sweetheart.  Kind of want kids, but at this point, it’s not worth being tied to a woman for life with this court system in between — seriously considering a vasectomy.  I’m having my car and house wired with discreet surveillance (expensive, yes, but it beats prison in the event that a woman points a finger at me and utters a single word) that will be running anytime a female is in the car or house, and I’m not setting foot in their domain without witnesses.  If I ever find it unavoidable somehow, I’m getting a body cam.  Everything in between is in public or in front of at least a couple non-gina guys.  See…I’m doing things to protect myself as any sensible human being would, rather than saying something as naive as, “I shouldn’t have to protect myself, you should just teach your kids not to do it!”  That would just be stupid.  And if I do get accused and the footage exonerates me, you bet your ass I’m taking it as public as I can, complete with her full name, and suing the living s~~~ out of her.

Anyway, sorry for the giant post.  I tend to get carried away.

TL;DR – sup.

[….Participant]

Chivalry is not dead yet but it will be, and it’s the feminists that are doing us the favor of killing it.  @KKBroiler…you’re right about them always changing their minds….sadly, they never seem to get one that works.

[kbbroilerParticipant]

Here is the point. Women want chivalry and to be treated as equals. This is the reason that most of the good men are gone. I remember this girl at work years ago knew I listened to Tom Leykis and I gave her a CD of MP3’s oh his show. I guess she listened to it and said you’re not listening to this guy. Then she went on to say I was a good guy with a good job and had so much potential and you want to live your life by his rules. I simply said before I found Tom I was living the lifestyle anyways. All that happened when I discovered him is that he was reinforcing what I already believed to be true. I’m not brainwashed or anything. I think she might of had an interest in me but even though she was maybe a 9 it really spoke volumes on her reaction was. Anyways, now years later I’m a MGTOW. That girl got married and had a baby. Even though she said she didn’t want to have children, now she knew my deal on kids. None for me. It’s funny how women change their minds like I change my underwear. LOL

[KeymasterKeymaster]

If you ever need (or want) to prove there is is still WAY too much chivalry in the world….
google “south beach drunk knock out”, and send them the link.

There is a random example showing 9 out of 10 men will NOT hit a woman back – even when she is throwing punches. And this is even in a nightclub scene where they may be drunk!

There is WAY too much chivalry in the world, and 90% of men are “too good” for the women who are complaining.

Point proven. Case closed.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[TheBardParticipant]

Women don’t know what they want. They want chivalry, but it is sexist to treat them different. They want a good man,but turn down any decent man because they are a strong independent woman or they think they can find someone better. Radio’s always do that. One topic where I live was about how a woman came to the place I live for a one night stand, got pregnant, and then got mad when the babies father didn’t want anything to do with her or the baby.

I kid you not. When I was at work. The usual two guys and one girl team on the radio made a stupid question about chivalry is sexist/dead or why it’s hard to find a good man. If chivalry is dead, then I wouldn’t hear so many complaints that women give whenever someone I know in town doesn’t even bother to pay for the meal for her after being treated like a piece of meat.

 

What the hell do people mean chivalry is sexist or dead. I know it’s not dead, just the sexist part because I never heard someone say that before. The first time i take off my earbuds while building roof tress in a factory, and I hear dumb questions which doesn’t need an answer like that. Aside from the sexist part because I don’t understand what they mean by that?

As for the “it’s hard to find a good man”. Really!! because If I recall you were talking about not relying on men for things, and yet you still need child support money which is only going to get spent on anything but the kid anyways. Bloody leeches!

Actions have consequences and consequences have prices. Cause and effect at work.

OK, so I met this 10/10 chick on some website and knowing how this usually goes down, I moved to telephone and real life pretty quickly. I don’t do a lot of effort on these sites anymore since MGTOW, but I have some remaining profiles that from time to time drag up unexpected pleasantries for the currents of the social web.

She told me she had a boyfriend fairly early but the girl just kept on mailing and texting, romantic as well as sexual stuff. Red f~~~ing flag.

I am single, she pretty much threw herself at me and she had a really nice body in pictures, so I figured there would be little harm in dating her, just to see where newfound MGTOW “chivalry” would lead and if she was a golddigging hypergamist or whatever. In one of the very first emails I sent her, I went ballistic on the fact she was seeing other men online while she had a boyfriend. I told her what I thought of girls doing that, and that I didn’t consider hypergamous sluts suitable for anything but casual sex. I explictly told her she was out of bounds with her boyfriend, and I didn’t want to p~~~ on his honor as readily as other men would. She still wanted to date, she seemed intrigued by my forwardness. She was in for a wake-up call, instead of a booty call.

After a few talks on the phone we met up, the actual date was all nice, she even paid for the drinks as I was the one that took public transport. It ended on a highly intimite note, stole a kiss and a big fat cuddle at the end of it, before boarding my train. The old me would have been ecstatic, but the new me knew that the hamsters were spinning the wheel now, and she would become unstable very soon. I expected she would not commit to an actual date and time date for the second time, and this turned out to be the case. As a hare, blinded by two lights, she sat still in the middle of the road doing exactly nothing to change her current situation. As if she expected yet another man to save her from that situation too.

So today I felt like opening Pandora’s Box. It all came out, crying. Note that these are not my actual responses, I had to mansplain a few things here are there but the gist of it was like this:

“I don’t know what to do”

How about coming clean to everybody and fix your s~~~ girl? I’ve been telling you that for a while now. Either fix whats wrong with your man and stop seeing other men, or stop p~~~ing on his honor by doing so. What is exactly so complex about this. That it hurts your feelings? That’s not going away if you don’t do anything to change that! And by coming clean you will feel better about yourself in the long run!

“It would be better for you if we didn’t meet again”

No, that would be EASIER for YOU, since you obviously can’t handle your emotions as well as I do. I don’t feel a shred of emotional trauma and I still want to f~~~ your brains out. I am used to dry spells lasting for years, so your body opposed to this stupid drama still comes up positive for you. What does that tell you? It tells you this is easy to deal with for me, it’s just math, and you are just trying to weasel out of a commitment with me because you will have to break a previous one first. Yesterday you asked me if I’d wanted f~~~ you if you still had a boyfriend, I know where this is going and the answer is: no.

“I don’t want you to be sad because of me”

I am NOT. F~~~ING. SAD. I am dissapointed and perhaps a little angry. I have been dealing with this s~~~ from the moment I met you and I know exactly what my odds of f~~~ing you for a good few years are. Because honestly, the ease with which you meet other people online will NOT stand when you are f~~~ing me. I told you a couple of times now, and your boyfriend is the one I feel sorry for. Not you.

“I didn’t think of the consequences”

Girl you are 22. What f~~~ing consequences? You have zero responsibilities, and a dozen safety nets! It literally comes down between picking a mate and you get f~~~ing options.

“I feel so guilty, I have brought this upon myself”

HAMMER. MEET. NAIL.

I wonder if it is possible to make these women understand how their behaviour negatively affects men around them. I’m up to that point that I still wanna bang this bitch’s brains out, but I won’t use anything but absolute, harsh truths to get it from her. Up untill now she seems oddly receptive, warming up to the idea she has a choice in being a hypergamous c~~~ or not, but it almost feels traditional, like I’m supposed to tell this broad what to do because she can’t cope with life on her own. Gonna give it a rest and let the hamsters spin for a while. If nothing comes of it at least it was a funny experiment telling girls cold truths instead of what they want to hear.

[darkoverParticipant]

I’ve viewed some of the videos on this site and noticed some instances where some may understand that non-western societies, especially Islam and the Middle East may have a “rape culture”. Now, rather than say specifically about one culture, I’d argue that it’s not possible for any surviving civilization to have a culture that allows or promotes rape.

My first argument is that most modern and affluent cultures have taken on the western model of marriage regardless of the what they originally were. As long as there’s sufficient technology for ideas and products from the west, women are “empowered” much like their sisters in the west. Since they’re now as financially capable, if not more capable than the men, and have instant global feminist support, legislation will and have changed to give them power. Men who get raped by other men have little say and are shamed, men who get raped or attacked by women are doubly shamed in many non-western cultures also.

Secondly, in those cultures that favors men in the past, it is possible for a man to rape a woman under two possible conditions. (i) He is of a much higher social status. (ii) He’s her husband and she’s refusing sex. I’ll elaborate more on (i).

Let’s reverse the situation and have the noblewoman be the one who drags a male peasant, have her way with him and subsequently kill him. It’s not by virtue of her gender that she’s doing this, but by virtue of her family’s status in society. For a man of equal or lower status to rape a woman, he must be prepared to face all her relatives, friends and husband not to mention the immediate society. Notice that even in India, a supposedly rape culture, male-dominated country, the rapists get swift retribution once their deeds are known. If rape is completely acceptable to the men there, none of the rapists would have been killed in their own prison cells. Even in the most male-dominated environment for many animal species, males fight off other males from their females. Not due to “chivalry” or some other abstract concepts, but simply because it makes innate sense for a male that has invested in the female to be with said female. That’s why a man who violates this will face retribution from other men in any culture. I note that said retribution is often more severe (death) than in the west which is kind of an irony.

There can be rapes in wartime and in times of strife. This is true of any culture. But a culture in its own borders cannot allow rape. Such a culture will be destroyed from within. Anything that threatens the institution of the family has great capacity to destroy the entire civilization. And of such things that can threaten the family unit systematically, it seems that feminism is one of the strongest.

 

 

 

[darkoverParticipant]

@zelenn: Man… That’s absolutely brutal.

I’d rather not say the things that I used to do as I’ll probably be here for several hours. Instead, I’ll recount some of the things my closest buddies have gone through.

First guy was kind of a tough guy physically and mentally, but is completely into the old school “chivalry” thing. His first girlfriend told him to keep waiting and he kept spending time, money and energy to keep the relationship strong for years. When he thought of taking it to the next step, she told him she’s several months pregnant with another guy’s child. His next girlfriend had a problem with her ex who kept finding her and trying to win her back… then beat her when she accepted him. So my friend was the emotional sponge that his girlfriend cried onto and sure enough, after years of this dedication, his girlfriend left him for the woman-beater.

Next guy was extremely smart (effortless straight As) in terms of academics and in general, but not necessarily with the ways of women. He studies at a prestigious college and did TWO major projects, one for himself and another for his girlfriend who had persuaded him to do so. Doing just one such project within a year is considered to be very challenging even for a smart guy. Doing two is nothing short of superhuman. Yet sure enough, after completion, the girlfriend no longer hid that she’s cheating on him with several guys.

The good news is that both these guys eventually recovered as they’re very resilient. Not so good news is that I’m still struggling with the aftereffects of my blue-pill foolishness. I seem to have gotten rid of one crazy female stalker who apparently thinks I’m rich and “nice” because I listened to her rants and crocodile tears a few times.

Edit: Forgot to add that none of my buddies received an ounce of intimacy (kissing, sex or otherwise) from those “relationships”. Me on the other hand, got rid of the woman because she wants to get intimate too quickly which rings a lot of warning bells in my head.

[EscapedMentalPatientParticipant]

@magicstarbunny

I can’t say that I love that at all.  Regardless of how frustrated one is with the current state of society, physically attacking someone because you have not received what you feel you are entitled to is completely wrong, in my eyes anyway.  It’s is exactly how I would expect a childish, trailer-trash woman to react when she’s not got her own way.  If this guy has reached that level of frustration, he can practice avoidance and not go around opening doors for women.  He’s setting himself up for failure by performing an act of “chivalry”.  Since chivalry towards women needs to cease altogether, he’s perpetuating his own problem.  Beating the s~~~ out of this woman was a pretty disgusting act and is no way representative of how a person should deal with any situation, unless they are defending themselves.

@keymaster.

I know exactly of the smug, weird sycophant type you are speaking of.  They are the same type of person you see going about online forums as “The Grammar Police” and such.  I used to call them Mr. or Mrs. “Correcto”.  They feel the need to be validated by “doing the correct thing”, but usualy only when there is an audience.  Meanwhile, they are usually the worst offender in that they do EVERYTHING wrong, and can barely manage their own lives.  They hold no form of power in life, or indeed in their OWN lives so they typically portray themselves of an enforcer of current PC rules online and in public.  In reality, they tend to be mousy, complete f~~~ing losers who can barely achieve wiping their own arse correctly.

These types make perfect Manginas and White Knights.  This type of person existed long before we were even experiencing the current social conflicts most of us MGTOW have, or are experiencing.

In Robin Hood lore, this used to be the type of little prick who was in the village, with the little table set up to collect the taxes from the poor with a snotty little grin of authority on their face.  Completely self-unaware.  A poor idiot, manipulated by the current authoritarians, looking down and sneering on what they perceive to be poor idiots.  Pure, unadulterated Self-Hatred.  These are the sorts that lead their own people to slaughter, and stand at the front of the line to ensure their own demise.  They don’t even recognize their own self-destructive behaviour, and if they did: they’d be too weak to do anything at all about it.

IE- Jewish Police organized by the Judenrat in the ghettos of Warsaw during WW2.  They made their own Jewish countrymen wear arm-bands, they helped keep order for the Nazis and helped to round up their own Jewish counterparts to be slaughtered.  These moronic sycophants of course met the same demise as those who they were policing, but thought that by currying favour it would somehow magically alter their own identity.

Manginas and White Knights are cut from the same material.  They feel that they are instrumental in a revolution, and of importance, and they’ve curried favour; they don’t seem to understand that if the smoke were to settle in regard to the feminist agenda, they’ll be meeting (and in point of fact ALREADY ARE)  the same fate as those who they are trying to police.  Complete subjugation, and the total loss of one’s self.

But then again, their misery does love company.

 

[darkoverParticipant]

Keymaster wrote:

They say “Men are useless and lazy’….. and expect men to prove we are NOT lazy. • They say “where are all the good men!!”….. and expect men to come running to prove we are “good men”. • They say “Chivalry is dead”….. and expect men to come running to to f~~~ing shovel the snow of their cars because women are totally useless. • They say “Im ready tog get married now”….. and think some idiot is is supposed to appear out of thin air for no goddam reason. 

If a man does try to prove he’s not lazy, the bar is automatically raised. If the man come running, then she doesn’t want him as he’s too easy to get. If the man tries to be chivalrous, he’s a pig who don’t understand that she’s independent now…. But yes, I do think that some idiot will indeed appear out of thin air for no good reason. Most men are still clueless unfortunately though that seems to be changing.

[Dans0nParticipant]

So what is the “perfect” man nowadays? Let’s try to get into the female mind.

1. The man has to make a s~~~load of money and has to pay everything.

2. Shouldn’t have a mind of its own

3. No sexist (whatever that means)

4. No chivalry because of #3

5. Looks are not that important if # 1 is fulfilled.

6. If the man is not that good-looking and/or bad in bed, he should accept, that the woman cheats/cuckolds for her needs.

7. It should be accepted by the man, that she’ll settle anytime for a guy with higher status and of course she’ll take every money she can with her. And furthermore she’ll take the kids with her.

Did I forget something? This is so f~~~ed up on so many levels.

[RennieParticipant]

Keymaster wrote:

As I guy who was once kind to women JUST because they are women I agree with this s~~~ and have even written it! Here is something I wrote on Yahoo answers 5 years ago – directly to some bitch who was demanding “chivalry” and more “gentleman”:

Women were not “oppressed”…. THEY WERE PRIVILEGED. Some civilizations actually treated women as goddesses. If women were so “oppressed”, then why are you complaining that there are no “gentlemen” anymore??? Today, you girls are FURIOUS because feminism lied to you and brainwashed you into believing you were “oppressed”…. and while deluded and thinking women were fighting to LIFT their status, they quickly realized feminism only misled them to LOWER their status to being “equal” with men. …. and suddenly they are no longer privileged anymore. That’s what “equality” means. It means –>> NOT special. Now women are more hateful and furious because they don’t know who to blame. They heard feminism was supposed to be GOOD for them. So who can they blame instead of accepting personal responsibility for screwing up?????? MEN. How convenient. And if the TITANIC were sinking today, men would use women as life preservers. I know I would. Nicely done ladies. Take a bow.

This message received dozens of thumbs down and even got multiple accounts deleted. I posted it in the “gender and women’s studies section” which used to be the most feminist infested hive I have ever seen online. The guys LOVE it and agreed because it meant no more giving up his seat, spending money on chicks. The women HATED it because it meant no more benefits for her. Feminism didn’t do women any favors. It liberated MEN. And NOW – 5 years later – we see almost exactly the same message written by a woman. You wanna know why?? Because this is what 5 years of feminism and women’s studies does to a woman: The girl who once enjoyed being asked out on a date, who got s~~~ on Valentines Day, who got asked to dance, doesn’t get any of the benefits women enjoy when they are slim attractive and sane. So now, she f~~~s it up for other women. She thinks “if I can’t have them, nobody can”. That article above is a gold discovery into the sick female mind…. the same female mind that is capable of putting needles in another girl’s dress to prevent her from winning the beauty pageant. Im not kind to women anymore JSUT because they are women. That was a mistake I made in my youth. I would personally like to thank the author for the license to treat women like nothing special and totally ignore them. In fact, I may even keep a copy on my phone to show the next bitch who claims ignoring women is “abuse”.

Exactly.

Yeah that’s a thing I’ve seen time and time again, at the end of high school they are quite attractive and within 5 years they have turned into a pumpkin and a rotten one at that.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

As I guy who was once kind to women JUST because they are women I agree with this s~~~ and have even written it! Here is something I wrote on Yahoo answers 5 years ago – directly to some bitch who was demanding “chivalry” and more “gentleman”:

Women were not “oppressed”…. THEY WERE PRIVILEGED. Some civilizations actually treated women as goddesses. If women were so “oppressed”, then why are you complaining that there are no “gentlemen” anymore??? Today, you girls are FURIOUS because feminism lied to you and brainwashed you into believing you were “oppressed”…. and while deluded and thinking women were fighting to LIFT their status, they quickly realized feminism only misled them to LOWER their status to being “equal” with men.

…. and suddenly they are no longer privileged anymore.

That’s what “equality” means.
It means –>> NOT special.

Now women are more hateful and furious because they don’t know who to blame. They heard feminism was supposed to be GOOD for them. So who can they blame instead of accepting personal responsibility for screwing up??????

MEN.

How convenient.

And if the TITANIC were sinking today, men would use women as life preservers. I know I would.
Nicely done ladies. Take a bow.

This message received dozens of thumbs down and even got multiple accounts deleted. I posted it in the “gender and women’s studies section” which used to be the most feminist infested hive I have ever seen online. The guys LOVE it and agreed because it meant no more giving up his seat, spending money on chicks. The women HATED it because it meant no more benefits for her.

Feminism didn’t do women any favors. It liberated MEN.

And NOW – 5 years later – we see almost exactly the same message written by a woman. You wanna know why?? Because this is what 5 years of feminism and women’s studies does to a woman:

The girl who once enjoyed being asked out on a date, who got s~~~ on Valentines Day, who got asked to dance, doesn’t get any of the benefits women enjoy when they are slim attractive and sane. So now, she f~~~s it up for other women. She thinks “if I can’t have them, nobody can”. That article above is a gold discovery into the sick female mind…. the same female mind that is capable of putting needles in another girl’s dress to prevent her from winning the beauty pageant.

Im not kind to women anymore JSUT because they are women. That was a mistake I made in my youth. I would personally like to thank the author for the license to treat women like nothing special and totally ignore them. In fact, I may even keep a copy on my phone to show the next bitch who claims ignoring women is “abuse”.

Diygkas wrote:

Alright, this is it. MGTOW is now oficcially the only non sexist thing left in the world.

Anonymous wrote:

Awesome, a free license for me to be an utter prick to every woman I meet now.

Exactly.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[Cap285Participant]

I, of course, am all for this idea. They need to be put in their place. Remember though, for every one MGTOW, there are 999 thirsty simps who will put on a clown suit and juggle fire bombs for these used up slanterns.

I used this to try and combat it:

Let’s play a game I call ‘Reverse the Genders’. I’m going to write a profile similar to those of women in my dating range (late 30’s to late 40’s). Since you all have this Santa Clause long checklist where every box needs to get ticked, let me treat you in a similar fashion. I can’t speak for all men, but many, more than you know, agree with me. Don’t worry, plenty of thirsty of simps out there. Wondering what you’re doing wrong? Wondering why you can’t find the ‘perfect’ guy after being on multiple dating sites for 5 stinking years? Don’t act like you haven’t been. Imagine if every male profile you read was like this:

Hello. My money is my own and you will get none of it. Not for some time at least as trust and respect have to be earned. I have a kid and you will never be more important than her. Not. Ever. I prefer petite, women who aren’t land whales with at least shoulder length hair, and so if you’re amazon like tall, have a short ditzy-bob haircut or can’t control your eating, you need not apply. My exercise and hockey league take up much of my time but I’ll squeeze you in if I can. They also take up money…and that’s not going to stop even if we dated on a regular basis. You need to have job. You’re all equal now. If you’re not liar and are truly interested in real companionship, why does what I do for living or where I live matter? Pick equality or chivalry, you can’t have both. At our age, let’s face it, marriage is out of the question as most of us have been dragged through the divorce ringer. Why is just having a long term relationship a problem? Marriage is bulls~~~. Disagree? Probably means you’d like the law involved to get your hands on my cash. Move on.

You will never be my best friend as those are the guys I’ve known since the age of 17, military buddies I’ve bled with, kindergarten and birth. They like me for who I am. You never will. Sex is a very important part of a relationship. Yes, it takes more than sexual attraction and looks but let’s not kid ourselves. You know within the first 45-60 seconds of meeting us if you want to get horizontal (more on this in the date section). So none of this ‘friends first’ bulls~~~ as that means I’ll be shelling out lots of cash for God knows how long. We’re all adults here. No sex by the third date? Move on. Nor did I just fall off the turnip truck. You think I don’t you’re texting the guy you’re probably going to f~~~ later while we’re sitting at dinner? I’m on to you and tired of competing with your 24/7/365 connection to the hive mind. For the love of God, stay of your phone for 10 minutes, it that’s even possible.

You like to talk about how relationships take work while you won’t do it yourselves. I know your inboxes are over flowing so why work you can sit back and get your ego stroked? Same goes for first dates and as the relationship goes on. I work for the ‘pleasure’ of your company while you do nothing. I won’t put on a clown suit? The next sucker will, on to him. You want to work for a relationship about as much I like the Lifetime channel. It’s all empty rhetoric.

In no particular order, don’t message me if:
1.You have high angle pictures or other deceptive ways of hiding your body. We’ll have to meet in real life eventually so why lie? You want an honest man? Be honest yourself.
2.You think overweight means ‘average’ body type.
3.Have pictures of you with men in them. Who are they? Old boyfriends? FWB;s?
4.Pictures of you with your girlfriends. Which one are you? I’ll wager not the attractive one.
5.Pictures of you with duck lips. Are you 15?
6.Text talk. See 5.
7.Pictures of pets, flowers, motivational quotes, etc. Who the f~~~ cares?
8.Talk exercise and your body doesn’t reflect it. See 1.
9.Pictures of you in Chicago. I’ll just assume you’re pretentious.
10.Pictures of you with wine, going on about wine ad nauseum. Giant red flag of pretentiousness.
11.What I should be doing on the first date. Anything else mom?
12.You plan on giving me a job interview on the first date. Instant walk out.
13.On your phone? Instant walk out.
14.You have a motorcycle. Cool, but no thank you.
15.You have stupid statements in your profile. “I like to have fun!” No s~~~?
16.You are a ‘career’ woman. Pass.
17.You can’t cook.
18.We live in the same town and you want to drive all the way to the city to go to bars. F~~~ing really?
19.You get your life lessons/ideas from Sex in the City.
20.I like super heroes and science fiction. Deal with it.
21.Hockey season is coming. Hope you like watching the Blackhawks.
22.If you started liking the Hawks in 2010, Do. Not. Contact. Me.
23.If you can’t explain icing or off sides don’t even talk to me about hockey.
24.I’m a straight male. I don’t dance.
25.I own guns. I carry one. Get used to it.
26.If you’re “Waiting for Superman, Mr. Right, Prince Charming or the Perfect Guy”. Don’t hold your breath. Remember what I said about being on here for 5 years?
27.“If you can’t handle me at my worst, you don’t deserve me at my best.” I just threw up in my mouth.
28.“Tired of games, liars, players”. Heard it before. Prove it.
29.You’re ‘just looking’. This is a dating site professor.
30.I mostly watch animated shows. Deal with it.
31.I will not go to 50 Shades of Grey. Have fun.
32.If you like the beach. I hate sand.
33.You can’t pull off a bikini. A real one.
34.You have cats.
35.You have anything in your profile stating how crazy you are or how you’ll stab somebody because of your ethnicity. No thank you. Don’t want to be killed in my sleep.
36.You live in Chicago. Too far. Don’t like crowds, waiting or $8 beers.
37.If you think I’m meeting your friends anytime soon.
38.You’re looking for ‘casual dating/no commitment’. Translation – free s~~~ and no sex.
39.You list travel as an interest. It means I’ll be paying for trips. Plus, who the hell would want to go to an airport if they didn’t have to?
40.You think I care what your sign is.
41.You think you’re a queen or princess.
42.You’re pushing 40 and looking for someone to marry. For what exactly?
43.Your tongue is out. Put it back in your damn mouth.
44.“I’m done with the bar scene.” No, it’s done with you.
45.You do anything in mud. Are you a pig? Just another stupid fad you latched on to.
46.You have pictures of girls’ night out with stupid sideways peace signs. You’re always telling us to grow up, why don’t you do the same?
47.Contact me if we dated/talked before. I have a mind like a steel track and I will burn you.
48.Go on about your ‘career’. This does not turn me on, nor do I care.
49.Get surprised when I tell you to go f~~~ yourself if you flake on the first date. No, I won’t’ reschedule.
50.All your friends are guys.
51.You use the following words when describing a man: Career oriented. Secure in his career. Stable. Has a good job and so on. Translation-“I want $$$$$$$$$$$”
52.You have a motor mouth. That is why men play video games. Our consoles have an ‘OFF’ button.
53.You think communication means running your mouth 240 MPH while saying nothing. See 52.
54.I don’t want to hear about your ex. By all means, go back to the guy who spent his paycheck on cocaine or physically abused you as you can’t stop talking about him.
55.You’ve gone through a ‘cougar’ stage. Not paying for sloppy seconds, thirds or fourths you gave away for free to guys young enough to be your sons.
56.You think I’m going to communicate here for days.

A bar I will pick where we will watch professional hockey and you can pay for your own overpriced drink. Or, for once, you come up with something. Do I look like a jester that’s supposed to entertain you? You’ve gone on and on about how educated and intelligent you are but can’t figure out a date idea? It won’t be dinner. Whatever it is, you’ll be paying for your own s~~~. We’re adults, so if you think we won’t be horizontal after the third date, just move on because you want free dinners or lack the will to act which is probably worse.

Whoops. I just disqualified every woman in America. How does it feel? There are reasons you’ve been on dating sites for half a decade. Keep searching for that unicorn.

Friendly advice: Peruse the interwebz for multiple articles and videos of women lamenting about “Where have all the good men gone” and the like. You may control sex, but we control LTR’s and marriage. A little self-reflection wouldn’t hurt either.

I actually got some positive replies! Again, let’s bring down online dating like an Imperial Walker. Skywalker style.

Fuck this planet.

[TheBardParticipant]

AFT wrote:

Quote:

“Feminism was supposed to bring women happiness,” Crouse said. “But the research shows that women today are much more unhappy then they have been in the past. They’ve ended up with far more opportunities, but their personal happiness is way down.”
Because they’re immature children, they wanted the carousel, now they got it, now they want all the benefits of chivalry, and old fashioned commitment, but most of all that divorce pay day, that’s what they want, but they can’t get it without men willing to marry. Come on men stop being selfish and hand over half your assets to women, it’s in women’s best interest, and society’s interest blah blah blah….

That is so true. Women don’t know what they want and now that they are free to pick everything in their path they aren’t sure. Women can’t expect chivalry and commitment from a man when they go around making crazy demands about being equal but still wanting special treatment. If anything it seems women now have the notion of finding a guy to mate with and if they end up liking him then they keep him but if they don’t want to be with him then just get a divorce and with it half his money, stuff, and custody of the kid. All the while crying about how hard it is to be a single mom because you struggle and your kid doesn’t have a 2 parent home anymore.

[AFTParticipant]

Quote:  “Crouse says the decline in marriage and a corresponding rise in cohabitation is happening despite at least a decade of research demonstrating the societal benefits of two-parent families.”
Ummm so cohabitation isn’t a two parent family?

Quote “two-parent family is necessary for children to do their best”
Yeah, best for children, best for women, best for society, blah, blah, blah, but I’ve never seen anything written about what’s best for men in popular media. Unless it’s some feminist spin, trying to manipulate men.

“Feminism was supposed to bring women happiness,” Crouse said. “But the research shows that women today are much more unhappy then they have been in the past. They’ve ended up with far more opportunities, but their personal happiness is way down.”
Because they’re immature children, they wanted the carousel, now they got it, now they want all the benefits of chivalry, and old fashioned commitment, but most of all that divorce pay day, that’s what they want, but they can’t get it without men willing to marry. Come on men stop being selfish and hand over half your assets to women, it’s in women’s best interest, and society’s interest blah blah blah….

When the war cemeteries are half full of the corpses of dead conscripted women, only then will women have earned the right to speak of equality. Sidecar “A man is a success if he gets up in the morning and goes to bed at night and in between does what he wants to do.” - Bob Dylan

[AlbertParticipant]

Rennie wrote:

there’s a good chance that will backfire on you, big time. You could end up seriously injured, dead, or charged with assault.

Rennie is spot on with his comment.

A couple of years ago I saw a white knight step in to protect a woman who was been yelled at by her boyfriend outside a bar.

Without concerning himself with the backstory the white knight walked up to the woman and asked if she needed any assistance. The couple stopped arguing with each other and both attacked the white knight.

The ‘hero’ received half a dozen punches in the face from the boyfriend and a flurry of kicks to the b~~~~ from the girlfriend. The couple then walked away together arm in arm leaving the ‘hero’ on his knees, bleeding and wondering what the f~~~ just happened.

There were a group of about five women standing together inside the bar – they’d been demanding that a ‘real man’ go outside and do something about the aggressive boyfriend but afterwards not one of them went and checked on the white knight to see if he was okay after getting beaten up.

A woman’s life is not worth more than a man’s and it’s not our job to risk prison or the morgue just because some obsolete idea of chivalry says we should.

E=MC² Bitch

[peterfaParticipant]

Thank you for responding to my long-winded response. I’m sorry and embarrassed I wrote so darn much. You even at least sounded like you read the whole thing through, if only to help me save face, and if you really did, then awesome.

<span style=”font-family: ‘Open Sans’, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 20px;”>They are weak, in an effiminate hippy sort of way, or they do not care or believe in why they are there.</span>

That’s the way churches seem these days. Is it any wonder Christianity gets so mocked and scorned? Compare to the authentic passion of the religious in other religions. We’re sitting ducks. They’re are the simple, and even the Bible discusses them.

If you look in Proverbs, the author seems to make 4 categories of humans: The Simpleton, The Fool, The Mocker, and The Wise.

The Simpleton lives for comfort. He or she lies and believes lies that keep him or her from suffering the need to change. Right away, we can see most humans are like this. They are also naive and gullible. They tend to be had since they lack shrewd discernment.

The Fool believes in his heart this is no god. That doesn’t mean the fool is an atheist, but that in his own mind, he doesn’t believe it. He will go to church, act saintly, but he is manipulative, selfish, drinks, does drugs, pornography, or whatever. He always repeats his mistakes, and never learns. His motivation is control. He believes he’s in control of the universe and lies to himself to believe it. In fact, he’s full of lies. His apologies are always faked and usually made in such a way to deliberately miss the point or vague enough. “I’m sorry [you feel that way].” “I’m sorry [you’re a pansy].” “I’m sorry that you misunderstood my intent.”

Here’s a good example of a fool:

I’ll confess that I have an insight. You can’t really tell who she is by the video. She’s exactly like my sister, only more prettier and more slender.

The Mocker is the evil one. He loves to destroy good. You can see Gloria Steinem. That’s a definite mocker. She is passive, careful, reserved, but desperately wicked. Listen to her carefully and watch as she stifles her rage. She’ll kill you, that one.

The Wise Man is defined as one who fears God. I think that means that God is a starting point for all decisions. All things are known and seen by him so you must reflect on yourself and catch your on crap, before he calls you on it. Self-reflection should also be about guiding philosophy, science, and other principles so that sobriety anchors your thinking.

A wise one also loves correct rebuke. He likes it if you catch him on his crap. He listens if you complain and doesn’t take anything personally, though he thinks about what you say.

As you can see, the intelligence of the Western Church is dropping. Biblical literacy is dropping. Western Christianity is saturated with feudalism, gynocentricism, chivalry, and tradition. Because of technology, it’s beginning to complicate and explode. It could tear down our nations unless we take great pain and change.

I’m a fan of the phrase, “If a man shall not work, neither shall he eat.” We have a culture that is trying to tax the hardworking to feed the lazy. That will not last. America was founded on the opposite. In my opinion, America is freedom from laziness. You are granted a right to work hard and keep the fruits of your labor.

Not to mention the blatant corruption of our culture, which is vast. I was so naive growing up to completely miss it. You can say that I was seduced by the promise of a nice woman if I only did the right things, or the things in the movies (haha), or by being a nice, mature man. Rather nothing makes sense. I have no idea what women even want me to believe anymore. So many lie, and the rest are naive (save a few).

Our mothers and grandmothers were grown adults, wise women, strong, and hard working. They might have a lot of gynocentric attitude, but  they loved their husbands and would stand by them. They had honor. Our current women have almost no honor. They don’t hold each other accountable. There’s a plague of gossiping and men avoid church women because they know of reputation destruction. Of course those women complain as they remain single, and the church leaders say men should, “Man up.” Meanwhile, those women remain single. I hope they like cats.

Finally I’d like to point out the blatant obviousness of the Bible and the Great Whore. Many speculate on who or what that is. I used to wonder painfully about why the Bible makes so many feminine references in a negative way. The Great Whore is a woman. Well, so was Jezebel. On a side note, why is it that feminists say feminism is good for men when they make a website called Jezebel? Am I the only one who sees this? Jezebel was wicked. She perverted the Israeli tribes and control her mangina-husband, Ahab. This caused so much trouble in Israel.

This could be a resurgence, what we see to today, of worshiping women. Since feudalism, all we men had to do was pander to women to feel moral and good about ourselves. It was a god to us–idolatry. We even judge the Bible by that god. This is wanton. It looks like that in the end times, a great religion will be created, or fashioned from many others, perhaps old, that the intellectual elites, the governments, the populations all like, but centers on women. It probably won’t be good for women though, a great many would be tortured to death. It would be rigidly gynocentric. It would be dystopian.

Such is the nightmare yet to befall humanity. We cannot solve our problems of diversity with unity, so we’ll probably be murdering each other until the end of times, or suffer a fascist state, super strong, perpetual, and totally intolerant. I see these as the only possible future. Perhaps ISIS will bring this about.

So, perhaps the Bible foretold of these days. It is said that the end times will be like the time before Noah and his rowboat. Women are beautiful, each man does what is right in his own mind, nobody yearns for God, people listen to whatever tantalizes their itchy ears, and finally their stomachs become their gods.

Lastly I want to point out the interesting detail of the end time prophecies, that the Bible points out that there will be something like 144,000 or so Jewish men who are virgins and unspoiled by women. That might not be so literal, that these men are actually MGTOWs who may or may not have slept with women, but have learned to find their value in God, not in the approval of women.