Zero Sum Game

[Maximus AureliusParticipant 351]

Feminism’s best hope is a Zero Sum Game….
OR should I just say ‘Women’s’ best hope to make it more gender related topic, as opposed to the stereotypical feminist of today’s world…

When women as a whole realize that men are getting wiser to the fallacies of marriage and the contractual liability it is to men. And that we realize that we are continually the blame for all that ails the world of female. What are our options? How do we as a society find a place that is beneficial to men and afford us a life that includes a woman to be in it? If that’s what one chooses.

Men and women weren’t created or evolved separately. We have pretty much come along at the same time and pace. For the ostensible reason of procreation as well as others, we have come to this point in human history together. My question is more about if there is future with the two genders existing, cohabitating or having any manner of healthy inter-relationships. Or is our only course to be one that is scientifically, clinically progressed. With no traditional ( for lack of a better word) human interaction.

Men are the ones that have for the most part been the ones to ‘Find’ a solution. In the mind set of historically being inventors, builders, providers and leaders. So, regardless of who is to blame for current state of affairs, what is Man’s option, choices and input for addressing what it is we want or is in our best interest. Especially young men….
For thought, After every man on earth has joined MGTOW and gone our own way, and all the women live on one continent and men on their own, then what do we do?
(pardon the facetious wit!) What do we tell ourselves, our sons, or women? My intent in this thread is to get away from the hate filled vitriol that squashes dialogue. Yes, women can be c~~~s and Mgtow can go live on our own sowing what ever we choose. There are plenty of threads for that…

OR as we exist in the same society, What it is that will afford us change and not make us the gender victim? Do we change laws, do we form groups that are evident to others, or do we quietly just (or loudly as some may have it), go away and hope they regret our absense…..
Is Mgtow only for ‘older’ men that have life experiences to justify their own way? OR for men that have been burned in divorce, or men that just aren’t attractive to most women? Is Mgtow only a small group of men with war wounds?
We may never be able to cure Feminism, and it is a cancer!
But what about many of the women that see the don’t swallow that pill? What about young men, or men that are in relationships, ones with children where they are involved or sole parents? We as Men have choices to make. Only we can determine the direction, as a gender, that the world sees us.
Do we take our Ball and go home? Or forge an impression and provide an alternative to the only thing being offered today, some twisted sic misrepresentation that comes out of the feminist mouth?

Is our answer to them the best hope they have is ZERO SUM GAME?

Meditating on the Wisdom & Truths of Man, Isn't just a Philosophy, but a Calling......Be willing to be Called a Man!

[pabsawakeParticipant 1761]

You reference many of your questions with the word we.

Men going their own way really don’t use that word. There are some core beliefs that WE do share.

To me MGTOW is the only way for self preservation for any man in today’s society. But others may feel differently and that’s fine they are going their own way.

This post is not over the top but somewhat Tunaish.

"You can either love women or understand them, you can't do both". Truth over everything

[Anonymous 25]

As Darwin said: “The Origin of the species”.

Men evolved wolves into many traits of dog through a process of artificial selection i.e. they selected for traits of lower stress levels, less aggression, cuteness, good hunters etc

This is the beginning of artificial selection of the female species. The unpleasant entitled princesses are being bread out of existence. Who knows what they desirable female qualities will be. But nature will provide and those women will be the few who do have children. They will have daughters who pass on those traits.

It takes thousands of years, but that’s how species evolve. We are just seeing the start.

[Anonymous 0]

Maximus Aurelius wrote:

We as Men have choices to make.

The men on this site have already made their choice. You?

[Maximus AureliusParticipant 351]

pabsawake wrote:

You reference many of your questions with the word we.

Men going their own way really don’t use that word. There are some core beliefs that WE do share.

Hmmm, ,I didn’t realize… Just to clarify then.. ‘WE’= ‘Men’

Meditating on the Wisdom & Truths of Man, Isn't just a Philosophy, but a Calling......Be willing to be Called a Man!

[TattooDaveParticipant 6952]

Zero Sum game mean somebody wins somebody loses. As far as I’m concerned and most of my friends, you or the women are going to lose.

I can see their heads have been twisted and fed with worthless foam from the mouth. Bob d

[TattooDaveParticipant 6952]

I no longer care about tuna credit. If you have a name like areolas Maximus then you are still connected in a big way to the blue pill. Eat plenty of sushi and call us in the morning

I can see their heads have been twisted and fed with worthless foam from the mouth. Bob d

[Maximus AureliusParticipant 351]

Anonymous wrote:

As Darwin said: “The Origin of the species”.
… But nature will provide and those women will be the few who do have children. They will have daughters who pass on those traits.
…It takes thousands of years, but that’s how species evolve. We are just seeing the start.

Great insight and reply… I agree with you that we are seeing a start. That is the long term input I was wondering about. Outside of today.

Meditating on the Wisdom & Truths of Man, Isn't just a Philosophy, but a Calling......Be willing to be Called a Man!

[WarratahParticipant 895]

This rabid feminism and SJW nonsense that we’re seeing in the west is only possible in a rich, well-fed, leisurely society.
As times get harder (and they are and will get harder) we might yet see more positive (to our viewpoint) changes.

...And in our own despair, against our will, Comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God. - Agamemnon; by Aeschylus

[Maximus AureliusParticipant 351]

Anonymous wrote:

Maximus Aurelius wrote:

We as Men have choices to make.

The men on this site have already made their choice. You?

The choices I was referring to was of the men that may or may not have discovered Mgtow. Though those men may effect us as a gender sexes as we evolve as well…(or effect women’s evolution) <— See Machiavelli
My ‘choice’ even though I’m new to the site, isn’t really a choice for me but fate. Or a realization, that I’m just not going to f~~~ed with anymore… Maybe some other men here can relate. I have been living my life a certain way, and then I found a site that expresses it.

Meditating on the Wisdom & Truths of Man, Isn't just a Philosophy, but a Calling......Be willing to be Called a Man!

[TattooDaveParticipant 6952]

Perhaps there has been some indoctrination. We are not genders we are simply sexes. You’re either a female or a male what are you? Love you bro

I can see their heads have been twisted and fed with worthless foam from the mouth. Bob d

[Maximus AureliusParticipant 351]

TattooDave wrote:

Zero Sum game mean somebody wins somebody loses…..

I don’t want to debate or argue with anyone elses definitions.
My definition for this thread, of Zero Sum Game, is that there is no winner, both sides gain and/or lose at the same rate in the same regard. For whatever the duration the contest endures..

Meditating on the Wisdom & Truths of Man, Isn't just a Philosophy, but a Calling......Be willing to be Called a Man!

[experiencedParticipant]

TattooDave wrote:

Zero Sum game mean somebody wins somebody loses. As far as I’m concerned and most of my friends, you or the women are going to lose.

IMO the moment you acknowledge a woman, you lose.

"It seems like there's times a body gets struck down so low, there ain't a power on earth that can ever bring him up again. Seems like something inside dies so he don't even want to get up again. But he does."

[narwhalParticipant]

The problem with the feminist point of view is it’s ultimately a loser, no matter which way it goes. Women are unhappier now and their version of a more equal society then they were 50 years ago. So this isn’t working. The further down this path we go, the more unhappy it will be.

So what if you go to true equality. Women will lose out here because they will lose all the cash and prizes they get from men and will have to fend for themselves. Think, single mother without government backing or child support payments. They will have to fight fair, with no excuses for being a woman. Pull the same load. So that’s no good for women either.

The only other option is to backtrack. This would involve admitting defeat and being honest about who you are and what you’re about. Not an easy thing to do. I don’t even know if it’s possible, or if men and women can accept.

Either way, it’s not my problem, and not my choice to make. I have two kids, but it’s not even my choice to make for them. I tell them the truth, and teach them who to think for themselves. This way, they can make the right choices and adjust as needed. That’s exactly what I’m doing right now anyway.

I suppose I have my preferences as to how things should shift in the future, but I don’t have a big desire to drive the future. I’d much rather continue to read and react, and let the future work itself out. I will change accordingly as needed.

Ok. Then do it.

[AkhilleusParticipant 2486]

I am tempted to hit the button but I wanna hear you out what in your infinite wisdom you suggest the mgtow on this site do ? Let’s say magical unicorn dust falls from the sky how would you want us to help fix relations ?

Edit maximus means greatest in Latin aurlius is half of Marcus aurlius you a stoic ?

Aloha means family you don't leave family behind. Who will be the next Draconarius for MGTOW? MGTOW = brothers = acceptance = belonging

[pabsawakeParticipant 1761]

I didn’t hit the genie button because I’m still uncertain.
I think one of two things is going on here.

1. Your Tuna
2. You are early on and the red pill is not flowing thru your bloodstream yet.

There is no negotiation table, women are not interested in sitting down and discussing unfair gender issue towards men. That includes the tradcon women. They laugh at male suicide, they applaud divorce rape, they revel at using children as weopons against their fathers (or Chads kids that you are raising).
You asked the question is MGTOW for older abused men or young mellenials?
MGTOW is for any male that understands true female nature.

Hell I’ll just let Keymaster explain this to you. If he’s not too busy, you should really meet him.

"You can either love women or understand them, you can't do both". Truth over everything

[Anonymous 3]

First you are thinking MGTOW as a 100% of men refusing to have anything to with women. It never works like this.
Even if 99% of men end up to be MGTOW monks, the 1% of manginas and chads would be enough to reproduce the population.

What we would get is the inverse of the proposed before, we would breed mangina and Chads, and lose the best and brightest of humanity. A full fledged idiocracy would be established.

Here is how much I care about it:

nada.

In truth I dont think it will happen like this. We have lost many human capabilities necessary for survival. The present day productivity of an average person must be far below negative.
When the SHTF about 90% of the manginas and females will simply die. Smart, independent and adaptable men (MGTOW probably) will survive, probably taking care of their kids. Maybe some women will also survive, and feminism will be the last thing in their mind. Begging and sucking up to a man (pun intended) will be their only hope.

Here is how much I care about it:

nada.

My friend, you care to much. Think of this as another circus, and women or manginas are the monkeys of that circus.
Now repeat after me: not my circus, not my monkeys. 🙂

[Maximus AureliusParticipant 351]

Akhilleus wrote:

I am tempted to hit the button but I wanna hear you out what in your infinite wisdom you suggest the mgtow on this site do ? Let’s say magical unicorn dust falls from the sky how would you want us to help fix relations ?

Edit maximus means greatest in Latin aurlius is half of Marcus aurlius you a stoic ?

I appreciate the Challenge and the questions Akhilleous… As for the 1st, I do not suggest Mgtow or any one individual do anything different than what they choose to do. In the immediate, I would recommend all men strive for Mgtow or some form of it. I am in no way saying Men or Mgtow is responsible for fixing or curing this cancer. This is NOT about a compromise or negotiation. Please don’t misunderstand the intent of this thread.

I am only concerned for what benefits Men! Whether men and women choose to live on separate lands or kill each other off, i don’t care…. I only wonder, curious for what lies ahead, or what is the end game or end result.
It takes courage to be Mgtow, and I applaud all of those who have gone this way, or will go..

As for my handle ID, Marcus Aurelius was one of the most wise and insightful men ever. His thoughts were first and foremost about himself. And what he could learn of wisdom , truth and how he could better himself as a man. I am not him…You are correct maximus meaning greatest, to me he was one of our greatest men, because he sought to better himself and learn how to be who he needed to be.

Ok, I’ll give it a go….
Not my circus, not my monkeys…. Not my ….

Meditating on the Wisdom & Truths of Man, Isn't just a Philosophy, but a Calling......Be willing to be Called a Man!

[PistolPeteParticipant 27143]

I disagree with the premise—zero-sum game. this refers to an arrangement where the sum of the amount “won’ equals the combines losses of others. This depends upon what constitutes a win and a loss. When men go their own way we win—our sanity, resources etc. are protected and marshaled for our benefit–this can only constitute a Loss for women if it were something they could gain in the first place. IF we don’t offer it to them then they cannot gain it…But since they are at liberty to gain resources on their own I don’t see a basis for your premise.

[Anonymous 3]

Maximus Aurelius wrote:

It takes courage to be Mgtow, and I applaud all of those who have gone this way, or will go..

Why?

Most men got here by annihilation.

The smart ones see the horrors inflicted by women and are smart enough to bail out.

I got here for being dumb. I am still dumb!

There is no courage involved, just self-preservation, common sense and a love for freedom. And being smart helps.

Courage would imply suffering with being a MGTOW. That is valuing women and what they provide. They provide nothing!

Actually is the opposite. To be with women is suffering!
Kids are suffering at their hands, thanks to the gynocentric laws.

Courage is to marry or have kids today. Its stupid, suicidal, but heroic!

^^^^^^ Marriage

Marriage could be the Zero-sum game you speak off… But its actually to negative.

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