YOU Can't MAKE THEM Into What YOU WANT Them To Be

[VeniversumParticipant 492]

Good men shouldn’t volunteer to lose.

[Ranger OneParticipant 16836]

Veniversum wrote:

Good men shouldn’t volunteer to lose.

What is your strategy for winning? How do you retake the leadership in a democratic society when all the main information channels (public schools, universities, mass media) are dominated by the Left and the Internet is increasing being monopolized by left-leaning pro-globalist oligopolies like Google, Twitter, Facebook, etc?

In a society engineered like ours, the consent to be governed is engineered by such information channels. Read up on Edward Bernay’s “Engineering Consent” or “Decline of the West” by Oswald Spenger to understand how our system functions.

Working within the system does not work when you can be outvoted, when votes are determined by engineered consent. So I can only assume your idea of “winning” is to topple the current system using non-democratic means. How do you see THAT playing out?

All my life I've had doubts about who I am, where I belonged. Now I'm like the arrow that springs from the bow. No hesitation, no doubts. The path is clear. And what are you? Alive. Everything else is negotiable. Women have rights; men have responsibilities; MGTOW have freedom. Marriage is for chumps. If someone stands in the way of true justice, you simply walk up behind them and stab them in the heart-R'as al Ghul.

[HermitParticipant]

Ranger One wrote:

It should be interesting living in a post-Information Age society, with no antibiotics, Green Revolution, or electricity. I’m not pinning my hopes on political or military solutions that aren’t going to come. I’m already planning for what comes after the collapse.

With no electricity, I may prefer to die and with no antibiotics, I probably will.

My refrigerator is dying and I can’t get one shipped to me for over another week. Not really necessary for survival in these times. However, it is another reminder of how spoiled I am by electricity and how much I depend on it and every day electrical devices. I know I wouldn’t last long if civilization fell today. Too old and too unhealthy. Too spoiled by modern conveniences.

Man, I’ll be so happy when my new refrigerator arrives. It’ll almost take away the pain of paying such an extravagant price for an insulated box with a compressor attached to it.

The evil in women’s hearts leaves them no moral bounds as to inhibit them from descending to the lowest levels of darkness to acquire their self entitled desires.

[Gravel PitParticipant]

Hermit wrote:

I know I wouldn’t last long if civilization fell today.

If things go south, hook me up with some firearms bro. I cant buy any because of an Evading Arrest felony when drunk at age 23. LOL

[HermitParticipant]

Gravel Pit wrote:

Hermit wrote:

I know I wouldn’t last long if civilization fell today.

If things go south, hook me up with some firearms bro. I cant buy any because of an Evading Arrest felony when drunk at age 23. LOL

No way. It’s the fall of civilization and you want me to give away my guns? Sorry man, but I’ll need those to acquire a generator and fuel for my precious electricity………..that will be stolen from me, along with my guns and ammunition and all my other supplies. I hope they put a life ending round in my head.

The evil in women’s hearts leaves them no moral bounds as to inhibit them from descending to the lowest levels of darkness to acquire their self entitled desires.

[Colin Combover in a ComaParticipant 5066]

Hermit wrote:

Gravel Pit wrote:

Hermit wrote:

I know I wouldn’t last long if civilization fell today.

If things go south, hook me up with some firearms bro. I cant buy any because of an Evading Arrest felony when drunk at age 23. LOL

No way. It’s the fall of civilization and you want me to give away my guns? Sorry man, but I’ll need those to acquire a generator and fuel for my precious electricity………..that will be stolen from me, along with my guns and ammunition and all my other supplies. I hope they put a life ending round in my head.

Real men use their God given fists.

[Gravel PitParticipant]

Veniversum wrote:

I is that I refuse to be a defeatist.

You need to wander off to Paul Elam’s A Voice for Men or somewhere else besides MGTOW then if you think we’re defeatists. You obviously think NAWALT! That is clear as day. You have a Harry Potter avatar and mentioned watching Hunger Games… I dont think you have the experience or understanding yet to claim you’re going your own way (not that we’re a clique but you’re misusing the label if you call yourself. You are beyond all doubt, a MRA at best. Go to the MRA forums. We do not need your shaming men here! I mean that with total respect but you keep saying s~~~ that really is abrasive to the men here.

Veniversum wrote:

The entire “Brave New World” scenario is disgusting. Genetically engineered f~~~ babies for pedophiles?

Pedophilia? There is no pedophilia in Brave New World. The children were having sex with eachother, that is not pedophilia. I also think you fail to understand how reproduction run by the state is an inevitability and also a desirable course of action. The SOMA in A Brave New World is bad, but arty wombs and government conditioning is a good thing. Overnight, the average intelligence and output of citizens would be off the charts. Crime would disappear as there would be no fatherless children acting out and using drugs. Suicide would drop. Illicit drug use and prescription abuse would stop. Women and Men would be happier because SEX would be available without the monumental consequences and suffering that is always a result of sex. All that would be gone! You have no thought it through. Abusive single mothers? GONE. Child Support? GONE. F~~~ing up neurotic women who’ve had umpteen miscarriages and abortions? GONE.

This species is no longer a bunch of apes spearing antelope, we shouldnt be reproducing uncontrolled like filthy rodents. We’re disorganized and it shows. We need smarter, less psychotic humans who are educated… Reproduction is too important to be left to irresponsible whore single moms. We need to make Reproduction Public.

Veniversum wrote:

Too many people here are just doing vagina impressions.

What the hell does that mean? More MALE shaming……. are you a MAN? Im not accusing you of being woman but you certainly aren’t MGTOW… you’re MRA at best and too young to understand why people here are GTOW

[HermitParticipant]

Colin Combover in a Coma wrote:

Real men use their God given fists.

Are you never going to get tired of repeating that same bulls~~~? You really are not right in the head, are you?

The evil in women’s hearts leaves them no moral bounds as to inhibit them from descending to the lowest levels of darkness to acquire their self entitled desires.

[Colin Combover in a ComaParticipant 5066]

Hermit wrote:

Colin Combover in a Coma wrote:

Real men use their God given fists.

Are you never going to get tired of repeating that same bulls~~~? You really are not right in the head, are you?

Got ya!…easy.
Who is?, not I and not you.

[HermitParticipant]

Colin Combover in a Coma wrote:

Hermit wrote:

Colin Combover in a Coma wrote:

Real men use their God given fists.

Are you never going to get tired of repeating that same bulls~~~? You really are not right in the head, are you?

Got ya!…easy. Who is?, not I and not you.

I can see you coming at me with your proud fists and then the surprised look on your face when the bullets enter your body.

I realize I have a few screws that need tightened, but you appear to have no screws at all.

The evil in women’s hearts leaves them no moral bounds as to inhibit them from descending to the lowest levels of darkness to acquire their self entitled desires.

[Colin Combover in a ComaParticipant 5066]

Hermit wrote:

Colin Combover in a Coma wrote:

Hermit wrote:

Colin Combover in a Coma wrote:

Real men use their God given fists.

Are you never going to get tired of repeating that same bulls~~~? You really are not right in the head, are you?

Got ya!…easy. Who is?, not I and not you.

I can see you coming at me with your proud fists and then the surprised look on your face when the bullets enter your body.
I realize I have a few screws that need tightened, but you appear to have no screws at all.

I will screw you…..long and hard.
Stop gabbing about killing me and just be like Nike. I am weary of this capricious dimension.
Time for me to go and watch the Snooker.
Get well and keep tea-bagging the office turds matey!

[VeniversumParticipant 492]

Gravel Pit I’m starting to question you. You see, almost all MGTOW here are capitalist. Brave New World is Socialist. It occurs to me that there are traitors to MGTOW here and I’m not one of them. Any of you who suggests that a smart and good person just die without passing on their genes is an enemy of the species. You’re over here encouraging people to drop out so that they can hurry up and build Brave New World? I hope everyone can see right through you the way I can. You are completely, and totally a transparent communist and you don’t belong here.

[VeniversumParticipant 492]

Maybe you should join the feminists..

[VeniversumParticipant 492]

Ranger One wrote:

What is your strategy for winning? How do you retake the leadership in a democratic society when all the main information channels (public schools, universities, mass media) are dominated by the Left and the Internet is increasing being monopolized by left-leaning pro-globalist oligopolies like Google, Twitter, Facebook, etc?

Well the most imperative part of the strategy is to refuse to surrender. Secondly, the general people are coming around. The mainstream media is being well circumvented and now the left is even eating itself. The NPC meme was crushing. It showed leftists how propagandized they were. Take a look at Gab Dissenter Google Chrome extension. Programmers flying right in the face of attempts at censorship. Now any right wing person can comment on anything on the internet. ANYTHING. Even places where comments are turned off or normally not allowed. How do you not have hope at this point given GREXIT, BREXIT, and the constant flying in the face of central banks at this point? Even far leftists are going “wait a minute!”. Take part in conversation, take part in the democratic process. Propertarianism looks pretty good, except I suspect that Curt Doolittle is a FED, since he attempted to incite violence, and I do not personally support crisis initiation. The point is, we man up. MAN UP. That doesn’t mean we become a woman’s bitch, that means we make them ours.. and they are happy there. We criminalize divorce rape. We end social welfare programs. We go back to real money and back the currency with silver.. or there may be other solutions. Great minds are at work on this.

[VeniversumParticipant 492]

P.S. to all, the following are examples of Communist Utopia ideas: “Brave New World”, “Logans Run”, “THX 1138”, “Elysium”, “Gattaca”, “1984” and there are a few I can’t remember the name of. They are all the same. Communist Oligarchy, totalitarian government, technocracy. How many of you can honestly say you support these? Most of these are Malthusian fantasies about how they can control population..and none are more Malthusian than the central bankers. F~~~ those guys. They are jackasses. They are “Lord Vaders”. George Lucas was trying to warn us..

[Dark KenshiParticipant 2132]

Veniversum wrote:

Gravel Pit I’m starting to question you. You see, almost all MGTOW here are capitalist. Brave New World is Socialist. It occurs to me that there are traitors to MGTOW here and I’m not one of them. Any of you who suggests that a smart and good person just die without passing on their genes is an enemy of the species. You’re over here encouraging people to drop out so that they can hurry up and build Brave New World? I hope everyone can see right through you the way I can. You are completely, and totally a transparent communist and you don’t belong here.

So… You only think that “we should embrace capitalism, and it will all be fine”? Including women’s behaviour?
Don’t make me laugh. Opting out of the gene pool IS the only sane choice for ANY sane man. It is NOT an economic problem, it is a BEHAVIOUR problem.
The species WILL SURVIVE without ANY of us. There are 7,5 BILLION people around. A couple of monks will NOT make any difference.

If you don’t understand that basic premise, then you have not yet fully grasped the full concept of MGTOW.

"Young was I once, I walked alone, and bewildered seemed in the way; then I found me another and rich I thought me, for man is the joy of man." Odin, Hàvamàl, stanza 47.

[Ranger OneParticipant 16836]

Veniversum wrote:

Gravel Pit I’m starting to question you. You see, almost all MGTOW here are capitalist. Brave New World is Socialist. It occurs to me that there are traitors to MGTOW here and I’m not one of them. Any of you who suggests that a smart and good person just die without passing on their genes is an enemy of the species. You’re over here encouraging people to drop out so that they can hurry up and build Brave New World? I hope everyone can see right through you the way I can. You are completely, and totally a transparent communist and you don’t belong here.

I’m okay with the gene-passing thing, but these days a man should only do it with a surrogate. If my son wants to have a son, he can go the surrogacy route and I’ll help watch the kid in my retired years. (I was a stay-at home dad for a while once).

Perhaps the future can be extended families that exclude women, and children are birthed by surrogates. Homeschooled, no THOT influence.

This has great potential.

All my life I've had doubts about who I am, where I belonged. Now I'm like the arrow that springs from the bow. No hesitation, no doubts. The path is clear. And what are you? Alive. Everything else is negotiable. Women have rights; men have responsibilities; MGTOW have freedom. Marriage is for chumps. If someone stands in the way of true justice, you simply walk up behind them and stab them in the heart-R'as al Ghul.

[narwhalParticipant]

I just can’t see MGTOW as defeatist. It’s going your own way. You cannot fight every battle, you have to chose what matters to you and spend your efforts there. And it should be something different for every man.

Many MGTOW were told that the goal was marriage and that divorce was defeat. Choosing not to marry was also defeat, because we had no worth if were not making a woman happy. We rejected that lie. Now, we’re supposed to believe that if we don’t work to save society from itself, than we are a failure? Why? Why cannot I not simply be free to live my life as I choose and willingly face the consequences of my actions?

Ok. Then do it.

[Gravel PitParticipant]

Dark Kenshi wrote:

It occurs to me that there are traitors to MGTOW here and I’m not one of them. Any of you who suggests that a smart and good person just die without passing on their genes is an enemy of the species.

Was it just me, or was this a total contradiction.

I understand the other parts fine, Im being accused of being socialist for my approval of public reproduction, government education facilities etc…

BUT FOR A GUY TO CLAIM HE IS MGTOW, THEN SHAME US FOR NOT TRYING TO PROCREATE…. that is backwards….

[Dark KenshiParticipant 2132]

Veniversum wrote:

I don’t take these discussions personally. I guess the primary difference between you and I is that I refuse to be a defeatist. I’d rather begin rebuilding civilization before it even collapses. Also, The entire “Brave New World” scenario is disgusting. Genetically engineered f~~~ babies for pedophiles? Not even just no, but oh hell f~~~ no. Too many people here are just doing vagina impressions. I disagree with you about women having morality; there are those who can override their natural instincts and do very well with it, but they are almost always religious from a religious family. If any or even all of those of you who call yourselves “men” actually do have morality, you would not actively engage in defeatism and lazy surrender.

And as SOON as you remove those… Their true behaviour shows.

You are deluded, Veniversum. You still believe in the “AWALT” myth, or somehow you think you can make unicorns.

Ok, I will give you the benefit of the doubt: Create unicorns first, then show them to me. If and when you do that, I will believe in your view. Before that, thanks, but GravelPit is right.

"Young was I once, I walked alone, and bewildered seemed in the way; then I found me another and rich I thought me, for man is the joy of man." Odin, Hàvamàl, stanza 47.

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