Women who can't stand being close friends.

[Anonymous 0]

Greetings,

For the last year, I have pretty much avoided sexual intimacy with a couple of exceptions. Last year, I broke off an intense relationship after receiving counseling and advice from friends (my MGTOW education was just as important). To my credit, I have lived a MGTOW lifestyle since I surgically removed that cancerous bitch from my life.

That is NOT to say that I have avoided women. On the contrary, I have never spent more time with women. However, I refuse to engage in a relationship that is even remotely exploitative (both partners should receive equal benefit in what I define as a healthy, equitable relationship). The women invariably try to lure me into sexually intimate contact. It is extremely easy for me to shut them down. While I enjoy the company and conversation of woman, I will not let them fast track me into a ‘boyfriend/girlfriend’ relationship. Marriage and live-in partnerships are absolutely unthinkable.

Invariably, what happens, is a predictable sequence of behaviors. The women start out by trying to initiate physical contact. I thwart their advances in as tactful a manner as possible. Eventually, they confront me and I tell them I just want to be friends. Since I have solid interpersonal skills and engage people in a very genuine, accepting, and supportive manner, the women wrongly interpret this as me wanting to have sex with them. They think I am lying when I tell them my true intentions. Many act as though we are real couple and come up with ludicrous plans for our future. Even though I continually offer full disclosure and try to give them a dumbed-down version of my MGTOW philosophy, they think I was just hurt by a past partner. In time, they think they can win me over with their charms. When it becomes apparent that their sexuality might not hold sway over me, they behave in some of the most dramatic and maniacal ways. For example, a dancer I dated said she was coming over to give me oral sex (I refused). This resulted in her saying she was going to kill me. Another lady, 14 years my junior, tried to get me to stay over at her house by claiming she had terrible memories of an ex-abuser and did not feel safe. I needed to come over and ‘protect her.’ When I refused, she seemed dumbfounded. “What have I done wrong. Is there anything I haven’t given you?”

While women claim that ‘we can just be friends,’ they don’t seem to really mean it. Some people talk about being ‘friend-zoned’ by exploitative women. I have discovered that when you friend-zone yourself, you make a women even more hot for you. My theory is that women perceive sexual intercourse as the act that locks a man in – enabling more ready access to economic, emotional, and other resources. I am wondering if other MGTOW men have had similar experiences after reassessing the value of a woman’s sexuality. One might reasonably wonder if I am wasting time by associating with women, but not having sex. I actually like the company of women. And for the most part, it is worth the headache – provided you have strict boundaries and do not allow them to control your emotions and behaviors.

[RoyDalParticipant]

Anonymous wrote:

Invariably, what happens, is a predictable sequence of behaviors.

Predictable, that’s it alright.

Anonymous wrote:

I am wondering if other MGTOW men have had similar experiences after reassessing the value of a woman’s sexuality.

Yep, most of them run in the same tracks.

Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?

[bigboy83Participant 11312]

When women “friend-zoned” you, they want your resources, while doing this she will constantly convince a guy, that he will eventually sleep with her, “leading you on.” But at the end of the day, all you have is a thinner wallet. You say, women like you more as friends, not really, they don’t have respect for you.
What I noticed and heard is when a women rejects you she is more likely to respect you! Wait and see, I guess, if this theory ever comes out.

Shit Tested, Cunt Approved.

[Anonymous 0]

Greetings BigBoy,

In the case I am describing – I am not actively pursuing women. Thus, I am not being ‘led on.’ The women approach me or there is a mutual interest. We start out as friends and I do not make any moves. The women, who presumably have developed an attraction to me (for whatever reason), want to take the relationship to the ‘next level.’ In other words, they want to consummate an emotionally rich relationship with the sex act. In their minds, this will entitle them to even a deeper level of intimacy as well as physical resources. They feel desperate when their flirting/offers of sex are rebuffed. Most likely, they have successfully used this gambit many times in the past. When it fails, they question their sexual attractiveness and worth as a female. Additionally, they will not secure the resources they normally think they deserve as part of a long-term, emotionally meaningful relationship. Hope that clears things up?

[Anonymous 0]

Greetings RoyDal,

Thank you for providing me with helpful feedback (I wondered if my experience was somehow unique to me). The nice thing about this site is that we can violate social norms and speak honestly and candidly about female behavior. The interpersonal learning on MGTOW.COM is incredible.

[OneforfreedomParticipant 930]

Anonymous wrote:

For example, a dancer I dated said she was coming over to give me oral sex (I refused). This resulted in her saying she was going to kill me. ”

[FermatParticipant 3478]

Once you learn their game your view of women drastically changes. Go your own way and give them nothing. Spin your plates then move on with your life.

I have discovered a truly remarkable list of reasons why women are not necessary for a happy life, but alas this margin is too small to contain it.

[FermatParticipant 3478]

What do you find interesting about hanging out with women? And how old are you? I ask your age because post wall, women are just all nightmare.

Same here. Being close friends with women when you are below 30 can be fun because hormones and excitement to be around potential sexual mates but after the 30s your perspective will change.

I have discovered a truly remarkable list of reasons why women are not necessary for a happy life, but alas this margin is too small to contain it.

[BDParticipant 1146]

Anonymous wrote:

Invariably, what happens, is a predictable sequence of behaviors. The women start out by trying to initiate physical contact. I thwart their advances in as tactful a manner as possible. Eventually, they confront me

Great story One Eye,
This is absolutely true.
Women get p~~~ed when you friend-zone them, especially if you never f~~~ them.
I’ve had many go into full nut mode trying to thwart any other woman hooking up with me because I rejected them. It’s just not worth having any of them around unless you are banging them and it isn’t costing you money, even then, you always end up paying somehow, with the odd .01% that gives it up for free.

Because in order to be able to think, you have to risk being offensive.

[Robert HallamParticipant 696]

One Eye

At the risk of making this thread an echo chamber I can say that I have had the same experience on occasions. When you are not doing the actual pursuing, they start with the touching, I don’t make the rebuff obvious, but I notice them getting frustrated with not getting the reaction they want. When I too explain my desire to be friends, as opposed to something deeper, they get angry (annoyed would be better word) and inevitably conclude “You must have been hurt in the past” or “You are just bitter” or “Not all women are like that, I’m different”.

So to answer your question, yes I’ve had essentially the same experience. Some women you can’t walk away from even if you tired, They won’t let it go.

[FermatParticipant 3478]

Fermat271 wrote:

Survivor wrote:

What do you find interesting about hanging out with women? And how old are you? I ask your age because post wall, women are just all nightmare.

Same here. Being close friends with women when you are below 30 can be fun because hormones and excitement to be around potential sexual mates but after the 30s your perspective will change.

Yeah. after fourty it seems their topics of conversation range from “boring s~~~ about their family” to “something else equally as annoying.”

I’m 22 and I’m already bored with what most women my age talk about. Yes it’s nice they nice cars and good carriers after college. Big girl jobs is what they call it. I don’t care if their in marketing or business moving to party states on the west and east coast so they can engage in hypergamy. Everyone is doing that exact same thing and I’m not going give them a standing ovation. I can’t imagine what they will eventually talk about in their 30s and 40s. I have a string feeling it becomes less interesting.

I have discovered a truly remarkable list of reasons why women are not necessary for a happy life, but alas this margin is too small to contain it.

[Anonymous 29]

Men and women can never be friends. Period.
Three man factors, sexual tension, acceptance and rejection. None of these are conducive in forming a relationship such as friendship. It truly only exists among men. That is as much as I willing to say on that subject.

[ApplejackSpectator 235]

I’ve experienced this too. Women are just f~~~ing crazy. Whether you’re f~~~ing them or not, they’re a CONSTANT drain on your resources – emotionally, physically, and financially. I’ve started by saying (when I first met them) that under no circumstances am I going to get into a relationship with them or anyone else. They seem to take it fine at first, then decide that I’m a challenge. They think they can wear me down until I give in. They won’t take no for an answer. Then when I say no, they go ape s~~~.

Women want to be the dominant one in the relationship, whether it’s sexual or not. The truth of the matter is, men are stronger, smarter, and better than 99% of women out there. So the only thing they have to control us with is their pussies. When you reject that, they can’t stand it. It doesn’t matter if you’re f~~~ing them or not.

Because of this, I’ve given up on women completely. No relationships of any kind; sexual or not. I’ve never been happier.

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