Women see children as just another product

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Really appreciating all the thoughtful responses here. I know this is an emotive topic and I have to say it’s so refreshing to have a calm, measured online discussion about a controversial topic.

PistolPete wrote:

If quality of life is the determining factor in whether to abort or not are you willing to limit it only to downs syndrome? What about those with exposed spine syndrome?, or blindness, deafness, what about too short—too tall, too fat? What if its a heart valve issue. How about a hang-nail. And why stop there if indeed the quality of life is the deciding issue how about the aged? Folks in nursing homes, people with cancer? Can’t your rationale apply to all the above. What factor limits it only to the unborn and those with downs?

I agree: if you don’t think that human life is sacrosanct per se (and I’m not saying you should) then it’s hard to come up with a logical system for why it’s acceptable to end some lives but not others. I do think it’s interesting, though, that abortion has become so socially acceptable compared to, say, euthanasia: I think it’s because of abortion’s relationship with “women’s rights”.

narwhal wrote:

I agree to an extent, but I’d take it further and say that unexpected responsibilities/consequences is a part of life in general, not just sex. Absolutely, sex comes with risk. Sex without a condom, without a vasectomy, comes with greater risk. But there is risk in any relationship, whether parents or friends. There is the bad with the good.

I have a friend who’s mother is getting rather sick, and asking him to pick out her casket and things like that. She’s basically giving up. He is not fun to be around right now. But that is life.

In general, the idea that life should have no pain it, that anyone who causes you pain or makes you unhappy should be removed from your life…is a very scary thought. The same people that tells women (and men) that they don’t have to deal with a child that won’t be a joy to raise are the same people that will tell a woman to divorce her husband when she’s just not feeling the tingles any more. The result is that those who feel they should never suffer end up dishes out massive amounts of suffering to those they promised to love and protect.

I think this is so true. We do seem to be heading towards a world where no-one has any tolerance for pain or suffering, and that’s a very scary prospect. I’m sorry to hear about your friend.

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