Women and marriage

[AscendedParticipant 698]

Hi,

I wanted to discuss women and their what it seems like die-hard wish to get married.
But first, let’s establish what both men and women generally want ultimately.
Goal: Become rich so he can do what he want -> Gets a high paying job -> Get rich
Goal: Get laid with someone tonight -> Acquire sex somehow
Goal: Find someone, who loves her -> Get married -> ?

Basically what I’m trying to display is this (generalizing and generally):
MEN wish to become rich so they can do whatever they want. To name a few: A new car, an own home, maybe fulfill a few of his desires to own something else, get laid and find love.
WOMEN wish to find someone, who loves her and marries her. She must exactly be married to be happy and then most likely to have children too.

For men it’s understandable why they want to become rich.
However I don’t know or see what the real benefit (I mean direct and scientifically, not the takeover of his wallet and resources) marriage brings to women to get married, so I educated myself first:
I had a few chats with some women, where I asked them “Why do women want to get married so badly?”. They responded basically the same “We have something, that drives us to it. This something is a biological clock in us, telling us to do it. The longer we wait, the worse it gets.”. Understandable. I’m no woman so I believe them.

If that is so, then why is it, that men need to get rich and get one woman to marry him? Why is it exactly this way and not reversed? What if it were the men, who were wishing to get married so badly and women in opposition do not want to? – That’s a little different story.

There’s a reason why it’s the women, who are total magnets to the idea of marriage and men are deep inside repelling away from it. As a rule of gamble: Every time someone gains, someone else loses. That’s all mathematical and logical wisdom and common sense.

I’d want to figure it all out behind the scenes but I only got so much.
Some of you will say “because they want to take the grand advantage of that on us men and then dispose us once we are no longer of use”. I don’t disagree frankly. I’m asking for a more interesting response than just that, please.

"We are free to follow our own path. There are those who will take that freedom from us, and too many of you gladly give it. But it is our ability to choose – whatever you think is true – that makes us human. There is no book or teacher to give you the answers, to show you the path. Choose your own way! Do not follow me, or anyone else."

[experiencedParticipant]

You’ve got to get outside of the zero sum box.
It was destroyed a half century ago and no longer exists.
Back then both brought something to the table and whoever left, lost.

"It seems like there's times a body gets struck down so low, there ain't a power on earth that can ever bring him up again. Seems like something inside dies so he don't even want to get up again. But he does."

[BeerParticipant 11832]

Just imagine you had a girlfriend, and if you broke up you got half of her assets….wouldn’t that be awesome?

Now…like you said…one thing that drives a lot of men is acquisition of resources so we can do whatever the f~~~ we want with said resources.

Now go back to the first statement and change girlfriend to husband…why do you think a woman would not want to marry a man with money and ambition to make more? She gets babies, an SUV, a puppy, and a house, plus the added benefit of any time she wants to leave she gets to walk away with at least half his assets regardless of the reason for the split. Its really that simple.

Why do men not want to get married? Well…enough of us are starting to realize women bring nothing to the table but certainly love to take more than their fair share on their way out the door. If you want financial freedom, marrying is just throwing a giant speed bump in front of yourself…why would you want to?

If marriage laws were changed so what’s his is his, whats hers is hers, and the only communal assets on the table in a divorce are assets voluntarily put into joint accounts or in both names, I guarantee you women wouldn’t care so much about marrying, and the divorce rates would plummet.

[QuietlyquietlyParticipant 728]

I don’t for a moment think I’ve got a complete answer for you, but here’s my 2 cents:

Women (generally) have abandonment issues ingrained in them. Men do not (generally). (Men usually have acceptance issues instead). I have come across this theme of abandonment in most, if not all of the women I have ever dated, and it’s something that is deep seated and apparently primal. It’s a nagging, gnawing fear that they will be (or already have been) abandoned, and then die alone. For women, dying alone is the worst death imaginable, because women measure their own value in how other people see them (rather than how they see themselves, as would a man). This explains why they cherish “relationships”, as this is the best measure of their intrinsic value, according to their in-built life-navigation system – if their relationships are “good”, i.e. other people like them, treat them well, then that equates in their minds to them being a good person.

This is almost 180 degrees from men. We know we are good people, because we act in good ways. We don’t need someone else to tell us that (although occasionally it’s nice). Women go about it from the outside in. If someone tells them they are good, they accept it and believe it. So women go about fostering their friendships in an effort to boost the amount of positive reinforcement coming in. (This requires that they give positive reinforcement to their female friends, whether true or not, and whether deserved or not)

Dying alone is the total abandonment of everyone they have invested time and effort to reflect (and therefore measure and build) their own sense of worth. Thus dying alone = utter failure as a person.

Marriage for a woman is the commitment from someone to love them forever, never ever leave them, thus equating in their minds to “success” as a person. It’s the ultimate success. They won the (female) game.

[Prefer Peace to PieceParticipant 10809]

I have somewhat of a different take.

I think women are more materialistic than we can even imagine. Question: what do women want?
Answer: everything.

For women, getting married is a quick way to get on the gravy train. See how long a lady will love you if you lose your job.

I think one reason men get wealthy is to get laid. It is a lot easier to get laid if you have serious coin. However, after men have been around women, why in God’s name would they want to continue to be around them? Women are completely whacked.
I now make money simply because it’s interesting.
I dress like a bum outside of work- I don’t want anything these bitches offer.

[anonymousyamParticipant 4605]

Marriage provides artificial along with legal security. Without being married a man can leave at any time. Marriage provides security because it is unmoral just to abandon your spouse without a just cause (like adultery). Of course they do have legions of cops on their side armed with weapons who easily can arrest you to fill quotas.

Just an east coast asshole who likes to curse, If you get offended by words like fuck, cunt, shit, piss, bitch or any racial slurs then you just scroll down.

[Robert HallamParticipant 696]

Icecold Scorpio

I want to respond to your question on why women have a “die-hard wish to get married”. The answer lies in millions of years of evolutionary biology.

I will start off with marriage.

Marriage is simply a modern social construct. It is simply a contract. Both male and females want to ensure that their genetic material is passed on to subsequent generations.

With a marriage contract, the female simply promises a male that she will carry his genetic material, and only his genetic material in her offspring to adulthood where they can then go on to reproduce themselves, provided he helps support/provide for them. The male promises the female that he will support/provide for her and her offspring, provided she carries his genetic code, and only his genetic code in her offspring.

Eggs are expensive and sperm is cheap.

Women produce very few eggs and the length of time that women are fertile, is very limited. Usually 30 years (16 to 46). It is very difficult to both successfully raise children and work at the same time and give your offspring the best possible chance at life, mature and reach an age where they themselves can reproduce and pass on her genetic material. Work is the modern day equivalent of hunting, fishing and foraging.

So the female searches out a provider (the modern day husband) that she can secure or rely on for a long period of time. It takes 20 years to raise a human to adulthood. Someone who will provide for her and her offspring with a home, food, cloths, education, health care, protection, etc. If she chooses badly, she runs the risk of selecting a male provider with unfavourable genes (an unsuitable sperm doner), a poor provider, or unreliable provider. If she finds a good provider, but has unfavourable genes, she doesn’t care which male is the sperm doner. She gets the same result. Her genetic material makes up 1/2 of the genetic material in each of her offspring no matter who the sperm doner was (she has no problem cheating if she has a good provider). This is the reason that approximately 12% of all children born are being raised by fathers who are not aware that they are not the child’s biological father.

The Male Sperm Doner.

The male, on the other hand, could care less which female is carrying his genetic code in her offspring, as long as all of his offspring reach maturity and reach an age where they can reproduce and pass on his genetic material. He has the ability of impregnating dozens of females, over a long period of time. He can not possibly be the provider for all the females he could impregnate. He benefits from the fact that the female could care less who the sperm doner was, as long as all the females who he impregnates chooses good providers, and raises his offspring to maturity where they can pass on his genetic material to the next generation.

The Answer to Your Question

The reason females are normally desperate to marry is because she has to secure a provider to raise her offspring while she is still fertile. Her period of fertility is limited. In the vernacular it’s referred to as Baby Rabies. She needs a provider. Very few males fit into this category, but there are a few. These males are generally providers seeking a single female to protect, in the hopes of her offspring being his offspring and raising them to maturity. This male has little ability to attract and impregnate a number of females.

[Jan SobieskiParticipant 28791]

“A man’s desire is for the woman, but the woman’s desire is rarely other than for the desire of the man.”

S.T. COLERIDGE

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[Silverstone the SecondParticipant]

I don’t think women really have a plan. They just sort of float through life without giving a thought to anything at all. Like children, they can’t see into the future, they just have some vague idea of what they want, and when you get it for them, they get mad, change their mind, and waste your time. Time is money, women are like negative time, they just suck away all your money.

Feminism is a movement where opinions are presented as facts and emotions are presented as evidence.

[experiencedParticipant]

You don’t marry the woman who will divorce you.

"It seems like there's times a body gets struck down so low, there ain't a power on earth that can ever bring him up again. Seems like something inside dies so he don't even want to get up again. But he does."

[RealityBitesParticipant 2198]

A woman I knew blurted out that in women’s eyes “a Man is their financial plan”. Women do NOT need marriage in order to get pregnant. However they do need marriage in order to secure resources for:
(a.) themselves (House, Car, Retirement Portfolio)
(b.) for any children she may have (though not necessarily her husband’s children)

Women call basically call the act of marriage to a man who makes money as “security”. This is their code word.

Without a Man a woman would have to work for her own house, car, retirement and pay bills and support any children she has.

Here is an example: My younger sister is good friends with a woman doctor. This doctor was originally bisexual, but then decided to go “straight”. She couldn’t find a husband in time so she had herself artificially inseminated from sperm that came from a sperm bank and now has 2 children.
She is currently husband hunting. She does have money, but this entails working and most women would rather be a stay at home Mom.

[HitmanParticipant]

Quietlyquietly wrote:

Women (generally) have abandonment issues ingrained in them. Men do not (generally). (Men usually have acceptance issues instead).

very true in my opinion and experience as well.
people who have abandonment issues LEAVE FIRST..
this could explain why 70% of divorces are initiated by the woman.
and also why us men tend to tolerate such HUGH amounts of garbage from women..
MGTOW of course do not tolerate nonsense..
plenty of blue-pill boys around to do that .

[Faust For ScienceParticipant 22521]

Money will not buy happiness. Actually, the most enslave blue pillers are the ones driven to try to become rich. Like a carrot on a stick. They keep running their hearts out and get nowhere for their troubles.

The entire system is define to steal all your time and effort for their own and leave you with nothing.

And those men that do get rich can have their wealth taken from them by any number of government officials in a blink of an eye. Usually involving a woman that is filing divorce and likely falsified criminal charges.

And when it comes to women, the sad part is that while many men are looking for companionship in a woman, they are not going to find that in this society. This is become society rewards women acting like spoil children, being irresponsible. While at the same time society punishes men for being responsible and keeping civilization going.

And it is not just sex. If it was only about sex then prostitution would be the solution. It is not. It is just the sex men want, but to have the morning breakfast with the woman. To enjoy just being with someone they can be intimate with.

Unfortunately, women in western society are so shortsighted, self-centered, and greedy, they don’t realize how good they have it. Instead, they complain, make life harder for boys and men, and find reason to dump men that wish the ground the walk on, as if they were tissue paper. While also enslaving these men into financial slavery.

The only good news out of this mess is that it cannot continue forever. Actually, all signs point that the situation will collapse on itself sooner rather than later.

And when the collapse happens it will weed out the foolish from the wise. It is just a matter of time.

[AscendedParticipant 698]

Thanks guys for the responses, especially Robert Hallam

I am aware, that women are not after the love they claim they seek but after his wallet. They keep saying so but I do not see that happening.
All nice and sweet so long money is there
But once the crisis hits it’s all war.
Can’t let this kind of thing get through but it’s much easier when ghosting.

Reason why women marry today:

A) Money syphon
That makes sense.

B) Love
Say what?

C) Children
To get married for having children is not required, silly.

D) Because she loves him and wants to be with him FOREVER
Are you sure it’s him she loves? My common sense is tingling about the reason being something else. Look at A).

So we have an answer for that basically.

"We are free to follow our own path. There are those who will take that freedom from us, and too many of you gladly give it. But it is our ability to choose – whatever you think is true – that makes us human. There is no book or teacher to give you the answers, to show you the path. Choose your own way! Do not follow me, or anyone else."

[SilentParticipant 303]

I’m just speaking for myself when I say this, but I work to gain lots of money in order to buy more freedom for myself.

The only other alternative for “freedom” I see, for myself, is to live a very primitive lifestyle. And frankly, I’m not ready to give up free porn, sex with random hot chicks, great food, or my other hobbies up.

In my experiences, the reason most men at least in my family work is because they’re tied to their wives. The reason the women in my life wanted marriage (including my mom) is because they wanted something from their husbands.

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Women want marriage because it benefits them. They need a mangina around the house to support them when they decide to have kids. In this way, they’re free to be sluts in most cases while having no real responsibility. They want to have all the freedom in the world to do anything they want and not have to work for it.

In contrast, men, would rather work for it because most of us have a sense of pride that comes with the fulfillment and achievements of our goals. Men love to earn their resources because it proves to us that we can actually do the things we set out to do.

For example, women are used to getting free s~~~ all of their lives. They’re not used to actually earning in it themselves. They’re used to getting free attention, free money, free gifts, etc. from other people on a daily if not weekly basis.

Men, on the other hand, prefer to work for their resources because most of us had to do so from an early age. We’re not handed s~~~ all of our lives like women are. Which is why we feel so much pride when we earn our resources rather than having them handed down to us all the time like we’re little kids.

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Women want marriage simple because it hands them s~~~. They also want marriage because it provides them with a mangina (b~~~~ attached included) because it provides them with free resources. If the mangina leaves, she can just drag him back by the b~~~~ right back into the plantation.

If the mangina some how leaves the plantation (with his b~~~~ attached) she has her guard hounds (the government, as well as most of society) to bring him back into the plantation.

Even if marriage benefited men, we would never get married for the same reason a woman does simply because we feel better about earning our resources for ourselves.

[AscendedParticipant 698]

Silent wrote:

Women want marriage simple because it hands them s~~~. They also want marriage because it provides them with a mangina (b~~~~ attached included) because it provides them with free resources. If the mangina leaves, she can just drag him back by the b~~~~ right back into the plantation.

Well said.
The world we live in is the Matrix.

I recall Morpheus saying:
“What is the Matrix <font color=”#ff0000″>marriage</font> ? Control. The Matrix is a computer generated <font color=”#ff0000″>lovely fairy tale in a</font> dream world, built to keep us under control in order to change a human being <font color”#ff0000″>a man</font> into this”

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Czb3JG5YyTU

"We are free to follow our own path. There are those who will take that freedom from us, and too many of you gladly give it. But it is our ability to choose – whatever you think is true – that makes us human. There is no book or teacher to give you the answers, to show you the path. Choose your own way! Do not follow me, or anyone else."

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