Windows, vs Mac, vs, Linux

[AwakenedMGHOWParticipant 100]

I think we IT guys can all agree that the only real reason we still even use Windows or Macs is because we need to. If we had the actual choice of choosing our OS, most of us would choose Linux.

Ever since I made the complete switch to Linux from Windows, I haven’t had any headaches related to my computer equipment at all.

I don’t need to own printers or faxes either. I can just go down to the local library, UPS store, or even my apartment’s office for those needs.

The few games I do play can be played on either Linux or a game console. And even then, I’d rather play a lot of the older retro style games (like the original Mario games) than to play newer games.

My current setup is this:

Operating System: Debian stable

Desktop Environment: KDE

RAM: 6GB

Hard Drive: 500GB

Since Microsoft came out with Windows 10, it’s even making Windows 7 and 8.1 unusable because they’re shoving ads down our throats to install Windows 10. They even have pop up ads placed on Internet Exploder for this also.

I have no problem with Macs as of yet, but I don’t have enough money to buy one. The only thing I can think of with the problem of using Apple hardware is that they never think about legacy devices. They think too far ahead in the future.

[33wolfmanParticipant 216]

If you use Windows 7 you can go to your control panel and look for installed updates, look for update KB3035583 and remove it. It will get rid of all the Windows10 adverts. You can also change from automatic updates to only uploading the updates that you want. I’m currently running 7 but am thinking about going to Linux, how easy is it to convert?

[RennieParticipant]

AwakenedMGHOW wrote:

I think we IT guys can all agree that the only real reason we still even use Windows or Macs is because we need to. If we had the actual choice of choosing our OS, most of us would choose Linux.

Ever since I made the complete switch to Linux from Windows, I haven’t had any headaches related to my computer equipment at all.

I don’t need to own printers or faxes either. I can just go down to the local library, UPS store, or even my apartment’s office for those needs.

The few games I do play can be played on either Linux or a game console. And even then, I’d rather play a lot of the older retro style games (like the original Mario games) than to play newer games.

My current setup is this:

Operating System: Debian stable

Desktop Environment: KDE

RAM: 6GB

Hard Drive: 500GB

Since Microsoft came out with Windows 10, it’s even making Windows 7 and 8.1 unusable because they’re shoving ads down our throats to install Windows 10. They even have pop up ads placed on Internet Exploder for this also.

I have no problem with Macs as of yet, but I don’t have enough money to buy one. The only thing I can think of with the problem of using Apple hardware is that they never think about legacy devices. They think too far ahead in the future.

Or something else – there’s much more out there than just Linux. I can see that Icaros becoming amazing some day if they get their act together about fixing the bugs. The system I have has years of configuration customization’s put into it.

I can’t stand the way Windows and OSX is now. Too tarted up. Even the server version which was once a professional product has not escaped. The Windows install is mostly just for games now.

The rest of the games I play all run fine in the multitude of emulators for practically every system.

[Biggvs_DickvsParticipant 3725]

AwakenedMGHOW wrote:

The only thing I can think of with the problem of using Apple hardware is that they never think about legacy devices. They think too far ahead in the future.

The main reason is they operate like a dictatorship, and seem to have the attitude that you are fortunate to be blessed with their presence, rather than the reality that they are fortunate enough to get your business.

Let me be clear: Apple makes top notch hardware. It’s the attitude of the company since they made it big that I can’t stand.

For example, there’s an app for Android called “Psycho droid” That puts a picture of a butcher knif on the screen, and then when you move your phone in a stabbing motion, it plays the screetching violins part from the Hitchc~~~ movie “Psycho.”

Apple, in their glorious and infinite wisdom, decided on your behalf and mine, that we shouldn’t be allowed to run such a thing.

I refuse to give ANY business to a company who would presume to be my nanny. F~~~ Apple.

I’ve been 100% linux on my desktop for over a decade now and the only question for me is if I should try a diffent distro at some point (I’m quite happy with Fedora).

Kodi media center runs spectacularly. If you haven’t tried it, it basically turns your PC and any media files you have into your own private nexflix.

For example, it will automagically catalog your movie collection and add box art, ratings, synopsis, even previews. All controllable by remote from a free app on your phone, or if you want to set up an actual infrared remote, or whatever. Of course you can always use the mouse to click and choose stuff.

Same for tv shows, music, and it is a fully functional PVR for live tv.

And that’s just one amazing open source app available.

Add in fully functional office suites, skype, multiple web browsers to choose from, 3D modeling and animation studio (Blender3D), TONS of cool games, professional audio tools like real-time capturing, editing, multi-track, MIDI, and on and on and on.

And all this, if it doesn’t come stock on your distro, is a few mouse clicks or cli commands(your preference) to install.

FREE.

Don’t even get me started on the development environments available, and the fact that everything comes with or has source code easily downloadable if you’re ever interested in building it yourself or modifying it.

Definitely not a requirement(all these things can auto-install), and frankly not something I often do these days, but’s really nice to know I have the option any time I want.

For me, when I look at the big picture, there’s no comparison to the benefits of running Linux vs pretty much anything else out there, at least for the desktop.

For any MGTOW interested, here’s where you can get started, again TOTALLY for free:

https://getfedora.org/

I prefer Fedora Linux, but for total beginners, you may be better off with Ubuntu:

http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktopp

Both have their strong points. Quick primer for those new to Linux: Click on one of the links above, look around a little, and then download a .iso image to your hard drive.

You’re going to then use a program like “Pen Drive Linux’s USB installer” and use it to make a bootable USB drive from the .iso file you downloaded.

Then you just plug in the USB drive, reboot your computer, and follow the prompts.

If this is your first time, make sure you’re using a computer that you don’t mind completely wiping the hard drive out and starting over on.

Once you’re more familiar with the process, you’ll find there is a way to install Linux “side-by-side” on your hard drive with an existing Windows install, but you’ll want to get familiar with the install process before trying it.

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[SpacemonkeyParticipant 1481]

33wolfman wrote:

I’m currently running 7 but am thinking about going to Linux, how easy is it to convert?

I partitioned my hard drive and had an old version of Ubuntu, I think it was Lucid Linx on one of the partitions so I had the choice of which OS to use when I booted. Most of the time I used Unbuntu and only used windows when I had to. Unbuntu was great back then, stable and very quick. Unfortunately that computer blew up, I think something fried the bios chip but I’m no expert. And that’s really my point, there was so much online support on the Ubuntu community that some one will literally walk you through the process step by step if required.

I have looked at later Unbuntu releases but the last one I looked at was heavy and slow, trying too much to be like windows.

I would not have a mac, or other apple product given for free. Once you start down that route you are tied into apple for ever and never stop paying.

“Long is the way and hard, that out of Hell leads up to light.”

[chirParticipant]

I have gotten a number of people to move to ubuntu for personal computer OS. They can put it on older computers and they love that the old computer works 100% faster than with windows XP or Vista. They can get more life out of their computers and it comes with Open office which generally takes care of basic needs. Firefox is pre-loaded and keeps them happy with internet access.

It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion, it is by the beans of Java that thoughts acquire speed, the hands acquire shaking, the shaking becomes a warning; it is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion.

[AwakenedMGHOWParticipant 100]

33wolfman wrote:

If you use Windows 7 you can go to your control panel and look for installed updates, look for update KB3035583 and remove it. It will get rid of all the Windows10 adverts. You can also change from automatic updates to only uploading the updates that you want. I’m currently running 7 but am thinking about going to Linux, how easy is it to convert?

It really only takes a few days to a week to learn all the basic stuff for Linux such as the common command lines and how the operating system works. I’d recommend looking up a few good Linux tutorials before making a complete switch however.

@rennie

I know there are plenty of options besides Linux, but Linux is the most supported kernel out there aside from Windows and Mac kernels.

@biggvs_dickvs

I love Apple hardware, but you’re right about them trying to control your hardware and software. They’re trying to be your nanny when it comes to IT.

I still would like to own a Macbook though. I think those things are awesome.

[TheroniusParticipant 975]

I’ve been shopping around for my next OS for my “personal” computer.
It’s currently running Win7, which works pretty good, but I have no desire to follow the M-soft path to subscription-based software.
I have Ubuntu running on VMWARE to see if I can make it “comfortable” enough for my f~~~around laptop, and might do a dual boot at some point, with some flavor of Linux. Ubuntu isn’t bad so far. The core OS is solid, and there are a lot of options for desktop, etc. I have Chrome on it, and some graphics software I like to play with, but I still use the Win7 box for the old games and stuff.
I am wondering if some old games (Tropico, Diablo II, Roller Coaster Tycoon 2, etc.) could work under Wine on Linux. If so, I don’t need windows much except for Poser 9, which probably won’t work that way.
I have been looking at games available for Linux, but haven’t really seen any that caught my fancy.
I already have some other distros. working on an old server for work stuff running Oracle, but it’s been sitting idle for a while. I am comfortable in Unix/Linux since I made my living that way for many years, but for my entertainment/surfing/watching hot chick fail videos I am used to Windows. I normally don’t “upgrade” windows computers, since the hardware is usually too weak to accommodate the inevitable OS bloat. Fortunately, this machine should still run the s~~~ out of Linux, with 4 cores and 8 gigs of RAM and a s~~~load of disk space.

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[Krab_AssParticipant 267]

My rig took a little time so set up but I put Arch Linux on it. Sure, it is ‘pared-down’ and not as fancy as, say Fedora or Ubuntu but it works and it is, for the most part a small-sized Kernel.

Frankly, a couple of years ago, I got tired of supporting Microsoft and taking what they fed me. Well, now, if I want something made or automated, I know that Python is always an option.

"I care not what others think of what I do, but I care very much about what I think of what I do! That is character!"
~ Theodore Roosevelt

[Anonymous 3]

The only reason to use Windows is games. If you do not play games, or if the games you want get a Linux release, there is pretty much no reason to use it. This will be especially true as motherboard manufacturers start supporting Linux more, and as gaming moves to Linux (Steam is working for that).

I suggest Linx Mint.

[Crazy CanuckMember 4215]

I used to use Scientific linux, it’s a great distro. Now I use OS X and also use a live cd which is real cool. If you know someone who doesn’t need to install anything special. Light weight portable security is the distro name. Once you reboot everything is gone. I typically download and burn an ISO a few times a year. One advice if you’re using the live cd is to make sure to encrypt your hard drive just in case a hacker want to mount to the hard drive while you use the live cd.

http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=lps

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[RennieParticipant]

Theronius wrote:

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I am wondering if some old games (Tropico, Diablo II, Roller Coaster Tycoon 2, etc.) could work under Wine on Linux.

Roller Coaster Tycoon 2 should. The first one does and has for many years now. They are wonderful games aren’t they?

Also with winetricks installed I’ve gotten other games going on there like Need for Speed IV.

Anonymous wrote:

I suggest Linx Mint.

Hard to beat for a desktop.

[RennieParticipant]

Just a heads up for anyone using Linux Mint.

The forum and ISO downloads have been hacked. The forum data has been stolen by a hacker and the ISOs were replaced with versions that have a backdoor malware program called Tsunami.

Linux Mint Website Hacked, ISOs Compromised With Backdoor

[Frank V.Participant 2445]

A few years ago I paid my neighborhood computer expert (“IT Guy”) to convert my computer to both Windows and Linux (“Dual boot”) and show me the basics.

The best money I have spent in a long time, honestly. I used Windows only read something weird written in Office that I can’t otherwise see. When I am on the road doing consulting, I simply cannot keep running out to get a crashy laptop fixed.

I don’t have to worry about all that Windows 10 garbage I see on other people’s computers. I have seen a lot of major companies switch to Linux and save a pile of money and have more reliable systems. People would be shocked at how big Linux is in the Fortune 500.

My home workstation is dual boot, for games and work. I have one notebook that is dual boot only to run Office.

On the road, my laptop is my money, and I love the reliability. I do not miss the “Blue Screen of Death”.

Frank V.

[RennieParticipant]

Frank V. wrote:

A few years ago I paid my neighborhood computer expert (“IT Guy”) to convert my computer to both Windows and Linux (“Dual boot”) and show me the basics.

The best money I have spent in a long time, honestly. I used Windows only read something weird written in Office that I can’t otherwise see. When I am on the road doing consulting, I simply cannot keep running out to get a crashy laptop fixed.

I don’t have to worry about all that Windows 10 garbage I see on other people’s computers. I have seen a lot of major companies switch to Linux and save a pile of money and have more reliable systems. People would be shocked at how big Linux is in the Fortune 500.

My home workstation is dual boot, for games and work. I have one notebook that is dual boot only to run Office.

On the road, my laptop is my money, and I love the reliability. I do not miss the “Blue Screen of Death”.

Frank V.

I have one Windows laptop to play games and run Windows only software. The rest of the stuff is a mix of UNIX and other exotic systems.

[Mister Man SmithParticipant 285]

My problem with Macs is over priced hardware, I can build a PC with half the money and have it with about twice the power.

Now about Linux, you have to be fair here, the reason why Windows has so many problems is because is the most used OS in the market, so it gets the most griefing from those three.

It’s not hard to destabilise Linux, in fact in some ways is much easier, the reason why people don’t do is because there’s 1.4 billion different versions of Linux out there, any highschool kid that learns how to write an algorithm will go ahead and make changes to which ever Linux version he has in his machine to get off while it compiles, but like I said, it’s the less used OS between it, Windows and Mac OS. So of course its not gonna have that much attention from the kind of people that love to ruin your day and that translates into a lighter and faster experience.

As far as the meat goes, I have my fair share of complaints about Linux, on my laptop I have W7 and Ubuntu, which I barely ever use other than web browsing and some writing, trying to do video, picture or sound editing on Linux is horrible, unless you use Windows apps on it, ironically…
That goes for video games as well, the few I tried and got them to run had a worst performance than if I was just running them on Windows, maybe I did something wrong so take that with a grain of salt.

I dish out my fair share of backlash on Windows, but at the end of the day even if you have to push it around it just gets things done and there’s no shortage of software for it.

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