Will we ever explore outer space?

[UintatheriumParticipant 1861]

Hi Broz. I have a question for you all: Will humanity ever explore the Milky Way just like in science fiction?

I love outer space. I really do. It’s humbling. Space is full of countless things that are undiscovered. It is also full of s~~~ that stretches the imagination. Space is full of stars that make make our sun look like a pinhead. Space is full of objects that were around millions of years before the Earth existed and will continue to exist millions of years after the sun explodes. That’s why I love space. When you learn about space, you learn that not everything exists for humanity. The Earth is becoming boring and sanitized due to an excess of civilization. It would be cool to explore the dangerous unknown. Exploring space would be like exploring the world … like Magellan.

… except that it won’t be that easy. Space is measured in light-years. It takes one year to travel one light-year at the speed of light. Faster-than-light travel is impossible. Approaching the speed of light takes a vast amount of energy. Exploring space is not like exploring an uncivilized earth. It’s way harder.

If we somehow get to extra-solar planets, this will just lead to other problems. Those planets would be hard to settle. Most will have air that is poisonous to us. Most will have gravity that we can’t handle. Most will be either to hot or too cold. If we find life, most of it will be microbial. Most of the macroscopic life will be unintelligent.

Space is awesome, but I’m not sure if we can ever explore it.

What do you guys think?

MGTOW: because you can (and should) say anything about a woman as long as she isn't within earshot

[JuehueParticipant 1316]

I think the age of robotic would come first before outer space

[UintatheriumParticipant 1861]

Juehue wrote:

I think the age of robotic would come first before outer space

Will we be killed by our glorious metal overlords?

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[Old HickoryParticipant 33]

I think it is certainly a possibility. It all hinges upon if we can create the technology to negotiate vast space in between stars. Right now we simply don’t have the ability to travel at FTL speeds but that doesn’t mean it’s impossible. One possibility for FTL travel is the Alcubierre drive that would allow the user to travel FTL without actually ‘moving’. Even if we never manage to create such a device we could still fly to other star systems on rockets that use something like antimatter for propellant. While the ship would need to be self sustaining and have a significant compliment of humans to go along for the ride it is possible that the crew could use the effects of time dilation to drastically increase the range of a mission to another system. I’ll bet that in the 300-500 years we will have the tech we need to execute the first missions to other solar systems.

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[Silverstone the SecondParticipant]

I agree, space is really f~~~ing cool.

If we do settle out into the universe, we will find ways to make it work. Hell, in 1903 we made the first MANNED flight. In 1969 we made it to the f~~~ing moon. Given enough time, we can explore space and find ways to do it.

I think it will be machines that do most of the exploring, not like in Star Trek. They have all the sensors and what not and can be remotely controlled from earth.

I think the biggest thing holding us back is that there is no economic incentive to drive us to the stars. It’s doesn’t produce money and people aren’t in a hurry to invest in something that won’t yield a return. And getting to space requires huge amounts of money.

Hell, the only reason we made it to the moon was a dick measuring contest with the soviets, the age old continuation of “OUR TRIBE IS BETTER”. And once the cold war ended, the space program shriveled up very fast.

However, maybe our militaristic nature will push us back up there. When space becomes more militarized with satellites to shoot down missiles, maybe they will find a way to make it cheaper.

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[UintatheriumParticipant 1861]

@silverstone: You’ve made a good point. There isn’t an incentive right now … but there may be an incentive one day.

… and now for another important question. How long will space be a man zone? Feminists will eventually say “50% of astronauts should be female because 50% of humans are female.”

Space travel will be good at first … and then feminists will spoil it. How long will that take?

MGTOW: because you can (and should) say anything about a woman as long as she isn't within earshot

[Anonymous 1]

you need to play the mass effect saga, it’s all about exploring the galaxy, and understanding the concept of artificial and synthetic life, it’s a great videogame series:

[KillmandrillParticipant 497]

Made my mind up about that too, very often..

With the world population doubling since I was 10 years old it´s about time we invest in exploring space at a real fast rate.
Our resources are restricted and considering we waste so much valuable resources so fast for smartphones, cars, batteries or just for fun I get the idea we´re not going to make it,
other reasons could be wars or having wasted all the resources there are neccessary for space travel.

Another point is have we earned even to explore space by means of intelligence and the capability to make friends with other civilizations without being invasive? I doubt there´ll be a change for the better how the human race behaves in general as to right now, but that´s just me and there could be room for a change… I see it needs drastic things to happen to mankind before that happens.

Ah, women. They make the highs higher and the lows more frequent. Friedrich Nietzsche

[Anonymous 24]

I am an avid sci-fi fan, have read all the classics plus bookcases full of lesser known stuff from all genres. Arthur C. Clarke’s stuff is a must read for anyone interested in space exploration. Sadly, we are not going anywhere anytime soon. All of our money is spent on war. Men will look to conquer the entire world and bring it under one order before they spend money on space exploration. With what the U.S. has spent since WW2 on wars/military we could have had hotels on the moon with regular, fairly affordable shuttles going back and forth. And surely we could have been to Mars and back by now, as well as possibly made some even bigger breakthroughs. I agree with Juehue, the age of robots will be first. And they are now and will be used to police us. We just had our first robot kill in Dallas, and malls now have 300lb facial recognition security robots on patrol. And when man does do anything off planet it will be for the elites only. I feel the future will be more like the movie Elysium than any other movie I have seen. The elite will be in space looking down on us as the masses scrap to survive on a decaying planet policed by robots.

Make it to other galaxies? I doubt it. So much would have to change and so much would have to go right for so long for there to even be a chance. I think man’s ego will not let him do it as he is more enthralled with power over other men that resources will be spent more on destruction/domination than exploration.

[The Batman 2020Participant 2112]

No we can only make it about 60-90 miles up. Everything that says otherwise is science fiction. Why don’t we explore our deep oceans instead?

Your 20's are for learning, your 30's are for earning.

[NerevarParticipant 8040]

Anonymous wrote:

you need to play the mass effect saga, it’s all about exploring the galaxy, and understanding the concept of artificial and synthetic life, it’s a great videogame series:

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I LOVE Mass Effect, so an immediate +1 from me!

On-topic: I see our future as very bleak if this rampaging invasion of muslims and the feminazi bulls~~~ continue. If they take over it’s the end of science and we will never leave this floating rock… I really REALLY hope we’ll be able to put a stop to this or we’ll be doomed and fail to pass the transition from a type 0.7 civ to a 1.0 civ, as stated by Michio Kaku, the hardest transition ever to deal with for any civilization.

We’re on the brink of it, and I beg humanity to overcome any difficulties, because I personally want to be alive in the era where mankind succesfully builds and inhabits the first colony on an extra-terrestrial planet, most probably Mars.

"One of the best things internet exposed is just how insane women are." - Freeman_K

[UintatheriumParticipant 1861]

Exploring the deep ocean might actually be a good idea. I’ve read that we know more about the surface of the moon than the seafloor.

Who knows what we’ll find down there? We’ll find so many new species! Many of them will be deep-sea versions of species from the sunlit zone but we might find some stuff that is totally new … or totally old.

Consider This: What if trilobites are still alive? What if anomalocaridids are still alive? They might still be alive at the seafloor. If we explore the seafloor then we may find Placoderms, Acanthodians, Eurypterids, Ammonites, Orthocerids, Belemnites, and many other aquatic life forms that we thought were dead.

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[sidecarParticipant 35837]

No. The age of exploration is over. Now we’re in the age of feeding the ever burgeoning parasitic welfare masses in exchange for cheap votes. Soon will come the age of collapse, and then possibly extinction. And even if we avoid extinction in the first round it will be really f~~~ing hard to bootstrap everything again with all the easy fossil energy already consumed.

[UnicronParticipant 752]

The U.S. government squanders nearly two trillion dollars per year on handout programs.

If that money were invested in space programs we’d be living on Mars and have outposts on the edge of the solar system by now.

Marriage is the process of finding out what kind of man your wife would have preferred.

[Silverstone the SecondParticipant]

Uintatherium wrote:

@silverstone: You’ve made a good point. There isn’t an incentive right now … but there may be an incentive one day.

… and now for another important question. How long will space be a man zone? Feminists will eventually say “50% of astronauts should be female because 50% of humans are female.”

Space travel will be good at first … and then feminists will spoil it. How long will that take?

About as long as it will with anything else. Men are always the pioneers, the pathfinders, the ones that go out of the cave to go hunt meat and bring it back. That way, in case it’s dangerous, the wiiimiiin don’t get hurt.

Same with everything else. It will be mostly men until we can equip our space stations with safe rooms, salons, and coloring books for the lady babies. Once men have died and we’ve identified weaknesses in space travel, and it’s made “safe enough for women” then women will take over. I mean hell, just like jobs today, you don’t see women in a hurry to do dangerous or unpleasant jobs. You don’t hear feminists crying affirmative action for garbage men, miners, and so on. You hear them bitching about white collar jobs. Low effort high pay jobs. And as long as space travel is unpleasant to women, they will stay out.

Feminism is a movement where opinions are presented as facts and emotions are presented as evidence.

[SkeptiskParticipant 3679]

No. The money will be sent on useless parasites, like #sidecar said.

"Expecting to find a decent woman on a dating site is like dumpster diving and expecting to come out with a gourmet meal." Won'tGetFooledAgain

[CatsPawParticipant 423]

No.
There are simply to many reason NOT to, making it statistically unlikely.
Here are the most common things to consider:

A)There is no point in exploring space until the technology we have evolves slower than the travel time.
This means that if we have to travel 10.000 years to the nearest star (example, I dont know how long it would take) then in 1000 years we might have the technology to get there in 5000 years, making the 10.000 years trip a waste.

B)There is no monetary incentive. Currently and most likely never will we see any good reason to travel to space unless force to (kinda like Interstellar, but it will most likely be too late by then).

C)Expenses. Putting a man on the moon is expensive enough. Mars will be even more. Getting out of the solar system? not gonna happen.

D)Extinction like event. There is a chance that if everything runs just fine for the next 1.000.000 years we would actually travel between stars. However, odds are good that something bad will happen before that.
We are not only talking about a meteor here but plagues, ozone layer breaking finally, ice age, tectonic plates, Super-Volcanoes…. There are some good candidates. My favorite is a theory I have myself (with 0 proof ofc) that says we will run out of “air” eventually due to the air that is constantly lost to space, eventually becoming another Mars.

E)Why would we? There is no real reason for now to do so. We get more data from telescopes than we would ever get from traveling into space. So we wont be having sex with Asari any time soon.

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

CatsPaw wrote:

A)There is no point in exploring space

Sort of. In the long term the sun will eventually run out of hydrogen and expand to engulf the earth, killing all life here. So the future of humanity lies in space, because if it doesn’t, then we have no future.

There is no monetary incentive.

That’s also not entirely true. A large number of studies have shown that asteroids etc. can be mined and processed very economically with almost zero environmental impact for gigantonormous profits once the huge up front costs have been covered.

Expenses. Putting a man on the moon is expensive enough.

Not all that expensive actually. Every year the U.S. spends a f~~~load more on cosmetics than on all space exploration, and that includes even the peak times during the apollo projects. Putting a man on the moon was cheap compared to what women spent putting s~~~ on their faces.

It’s all a matter of priorities.

We are not only talking about a meteor here but plagues, ozone layer breaking finally, ice age, tectonic plates, Super-Volcanoes…. There are some good candidates.

Hitting the malthusian limit is a far more likely scenario. We will simply welfare ourself into starvation and extinction.

And that, right there, is the problem. Because all the reasons to go to space are long term or require large up front expenditures. And, well, the parasitic classes who make up the voting majority now are defined by their lack of long term thinking and their desire to have all large expenditures spent on themselves. So regardless of the inevitable need for space travel, it isn’t going to happen.

[SamsquanchParticipant 4226]

I’ve always loved Star Wars and the idea of having a ship that can travel to other galaxies.

The world governments won’t spend the money on exploration so it comes down to people like us, who have the will, desire, and of course resources for space exploration. Isn’t the guy who owns Virgin building space exploration vehicles?

Also, as far as light speed goes, a brand new technology will need to be invented before it’s even considered. In order for a ship to travel faster and faster, more fuel would be needed since the faster the ship goes, the more it weighs, the more fuel is needed to keep up it’s speed. There would have to be some kind of infinite/recycling source of fuel/power for a ship to travel at light speed.

[CatsPawParticipant 423]

Sidecar,
Putting s~~~ on every womans face on the planet might be more expensive that putting one guy on the moon, but Im quite sure putting all the women on the moon would be far more expensive (and unfortunately, not possible).

In terms of the sun exploding (as far as I know it will only collapse, not explode), by then “humanity” will most likely not exist at all. I mean, we would have probably evolved some by then. And if by then we still dont care, I think we sorta deserve it.

Mining asteroids would not be a good idea. The huge initial cost is not the only problem:
Once you have the resources, and they would have to be in huge quantities to be worth it, their price will also drop dramatically.

The reason that happens is due to convenience.
We probably would all like more a watch made of gold rather than of plastic/steel, but we dont get it because the price of gold is too high.

If you were to bring from space a lot of gold (as an example), if the prices stays high due to the costs of gathering, people would still use a cheaper alternative. So far, the monetary incentives are not there.

You can see this in everything: We got both Taxis and Buses. We got fast and high tech trains… but the old slow ones with cheaper tickets still run as well. We got lamborginis and honda civics. If we were to discover a NEW element that would make something possible we never dreamed about… maybe.

But you are right that starvation (or war) due to welfare collapse is the most likely scenario. So even if we disagree in the rest, Im sure it wont matter cus none of us will get to say “I Told you so” :D.

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