Will MGTOW take on a life of its own?

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

Turd Flinging Monkey did a video on the matrix of tribal identity.  That video had myself thinking about the nature of any group identity and how it can get tribal and nature and end up taking on a life of its own that is bigger than any of the participants, and end up developing in ways no one sees.  What I got out of TFM’s video, is that in society, these matrix can end up repressing individuals.

I am wondering if MGTOW can go this way, and get a life on its own, and end up becoming like any other tribal matrix.  This is a concern of mine.

Please feel free to express your thoughts here, and here is my thoughts on it:

I get hesitant whenever there is talk about “This is MGTOW” because it can end up telling men who aren’t married, who have decided to they aren’t “MGTOW” because their thoughts don’t line up with a definition and norms.  In addition, there is a case of a man going his own way, not of social norms, who does things his own way and what works for him, and him being told he isn’t “MGTOW” because his thoughts don’t line up right with what is the approved definition of MGTOW that is assumed to be some collective norm agreed to.  I do see, for example, some circling of the wagons when someone is critical of a video done by a MGTOW channel on YouTube, and this person gets attacked.

Anyhow, please let me know your thoughts on this, and pardon my bungling through that video. It is probably something I should revisit some other time for clarity.

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

[SnakeSpectator 2080]

Groupthink is not necessarily a bad thing. Groupthink is what got us to where we are today in science. When one scientist shares a theory and it is confirmed among other scientists it becomes a law. When logic is shared with a group, it is to be shown as false or to be confirmed and accepted.

Stop focusing on “MGTOW”. We are here because other men saw THE TRUTH and we came together in a space for us to discuss these issues. You can either continue to take the red pills and go deeper into the rabbithole or you can hop off the ride and go play with some vagina. I don’t give a s~~~ what you do, but if you vomit nonsense on the internet, I am likely to call you on it.

[RoyDalParticipant]

I’m not much of a joiner, so I’m biased to begin with. At this stage of my life, I am adverse to joining hierarchies even a loose tribal structure.

Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

RoyDal wrote:

I’m not much of a joiner, so I’m biased to begin with. At this stage of my life, I am adverse to joining hierarchies even a loose tribal structure.

I would speculate that is the norm for men being MGTOW.  With this likely the norm for each member, I am curious what the impact will be on what the future of MGTOW as a phenomenon/group identity will be.

I have been wondering, for example, how MGTOW changed from the original manifesto piece that was written over a decade ago, that apparently put the label “MGTOW” out there.

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

[Knights Templar RisingParticipant 5127]

As long as the current MGTOW stays an “idea” and not an “religion”, it should be safer than the other offshoots.

It is clear, even as a newcomer, this site is successful because of the lack of judgmental behavior – and more importantly that we continue attempting to maintain a lack of ego.

Sovereignty above all else.

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

Knights Templar Rising wrote:

As long as the current MGTOW stays an “idea” and not an “religion”, it should be safer than the other offshoots. It is clear, even as a newcomer, this site is successful because of the lack of judgmental behavior – and more importantly that we continue attempting to maintain a lack of ego.

I was going to do a post on the nature of having the only criterion be that something be “men only” and allowing a diversity of though, that this restriction allows for more liberation in thought.

I do have a philosophical bent, so wonder about the structure of things, and wonder why they are and what make sense, which also relates to how I am doing the Youtube channel.  With this, I do wonder how the school of thought around MGTOW may change, or has changed.

I am seeing, for example, MGTOW now, has taken on a life different than the writer of the MGTOW manifesto intended.  Here is the original mainfesto:

http://no-maam.blogspot.com/2001/02/mgtow-manifesto.html

I do see DNA of current MGTOW in it, but MGTOW now is a different animal, dropping a number of things there and adding attributes (like avoiding women to a certain degree, which can mean celibacy and nothing about instilling feminism in women).  I do see the MGTOW sign in there, which I assume was in the original article.

 

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

[Knights Templar RisingParticipant 5127]

I also think the strength of this site is “Silent Resistance”.  Certainly when I first viewed this site a few weeks back, it was just pure curiosity.  But what fascinated me is what it is like an “obvious yet unseen” situation, this site looks absolutely polished and has some very intense discussion; but when one immerses himself in the actual context, it is obvious that there is no defined agenda – which is a first for me.  Also, given the gravity and emotional nature of the discussions, for a group of guys everyone seems extremely “rationale” even when disagreeing.

When a silent resistance has no “Canon” agenda, it is going to be very tough for outside groups to attack it.

Sovereignty above all else.

[ILiveAgainParticipant]

Knights Templar Rising wrote:

I also think the strength of this site is “Silent Resistance”. Certainly when I first viewed this site a few weeks back, it was just pure curiosity. But what fascinated me is what it is like an “obvious yet unseen” situation, this site looks absolutely polished and has some very intense discussion; but when one immerses himself in the actual context, it is obvious that there is no defined agenda – which is a first for me. Also, given the gravity and emotional nature of the discussions, for a group of guys everyone seems extremely “rationale” even when disagreeing. When a silent resistance has no “Canon” agenda, it is going to be very tough for outside groups to attack it.

Well said 👏

When this baby becomes organic …. I will pop a bottle of old ma’s special.

That’s when the silence becomes deadly ….. and you won’t stop it.

We are smoke ….. and you can’t kill smoke. Can’t arrest it, make laws for it, shame or trap it.

You certainly can’t marry it 😆

[Anonymous 18]

MGTOW for me and hopefully will always be an existence where the romantic female presence is placed immediately outside the parameters of one’s happiness. Whether it’s parents, siblings, hobbies, career, travels. What makes me happy without the ‘love’ / codependency on a female partner to remotely affect my ups or downs in life. Being able to walk away at a drop of a hat having had very little investments.

Once there are likes of RooshV capitalizing on what mgtow should be, I can go my own way once again. Since conforming to societal norms would mean jack s~~~ by then.

This doesn’t need an identity beyond one’s own requirement of sanity by having other like minded men sharing their stories or wisdom. Feeling like a part of stratosphere where I don’t spend time and energy seeking approval or arguing my beliefs. The magic lies in lack of boundaries or any concrete definitions.

[Knights Templar RisingParticipant 5127]

What we may be experiencing here, is a “critical mass” situation.

Back when the original concept began, the climate was too PC too handle it.   The 1990’s PC movement crushed many men down into such manginas, they probably had a negative reaction to the MGTOW idea.

1970’s = “Men are oppressive!”

1980’s = “Men are part of the system that keeps us down!”

1990’s = “Men are war mongers!”

2000’s = “Men are mindless animals, use them as ATMs until you find them disposable!”

2010’s = what the f*ck else can the feminazis accuse us of? NOTHING.

After 50 years there will be a backlash.  Law of physics lads, most men here know at least the basics of that science: “What goes up must come down…”.

Can you all feel that under your feet right now?  It is the rumble you feel before the lightning is even seen.  The storm is on the horizon.

Sovereignty above all else.

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

Knights Templar Rising wrote:

What we may be experiencing here, is a “critical mass” situation.

Apparently there is definitely a critical mass going on in Japan with the Herbivores.  Society has written so many checks on the expectations of young men, the men are finding they aren’t able to meet these demands and are checking out.  Economic realities are having them say no, and they had enough.  That is the Japanese approach.  Economic realities will end up trashing the dreams of ideological purists (tradcons are an example).  No amount of shaming will get men to do things, if there is no way for them to do it.  They will just check out.  Look at what happened with the lies of college, hypergamy, the lack of high paying jobs, and so on.  All these make it so that you can’t run these old patterns, even in the west.  There is no longer a safe path of conformity anyone can follow and be trusted for anything.  You are forced to figure it out on your own now.

The entire western civilization, with Japan and onward is finding the traditional family pattern isn’t going to work, and to treat it as some sort of fantasy ideal that you can seduce society collectively into buying, that no man is really happy with, isn’t going to work.  The pattern of traditional family is at odds for also maximizing individual autonomy.  It just won’t work, no matter how much advertising there is out there.  Individuals will go the path of least resistance, and opt out.  Men will do this, and that is men being MGTOW on a personal level.

Having this site, YouTube channels, and more, helps men thinking about MGTOW go MGTOW.

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

[sidecarParticipant 35862]

Knights Templar Rising wrote:

2010’s = what the f*ck else can the feminazis accuse us of? NOTHING.

More like:

2010’s: “Where the f~~~ are all the men?”

[Knights Templar RisingParticipant 5127]

As I have heard more than one woman say: “Sometimes the men don’t even show up for dates!”

I am still wondering what is up with that.  Not sure if it is some guys having dark fun on dating sites? Or whether men are now starting to game the system, and line more than one date up for the weekend – and then just choose what  looks best?

If it is the latter, then men are finally wising up and flipping the situation.  My mother admitted that is how she treated men back in the 1960’s.  She would always make 2-3 dates, pick the one she liked best and cancelled the other two but put them on standby.  If the first guy was more than 30 minutes late, she would go to a different location and call one of the guys she kept “on call”.  It was amazing she got away with it, seeing as she wasn’t even putting out for them.

Sovereignty above all else.

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

Knights Templar Rising wrote:

As I have heard more than one woman say: “Sometimes the men don’t even show up for dates!” I am still wondering what is up with that. Not sure if it is some guys having dark fun on dating sites? Or whether men are now starting to game the system, and line more than one date up for the weekend – and then just choose what looks best? If it is the latter, then men are finally wising up and flipping the situation. My mother admitted that is how she treated men back in the 1960’s. She would always make 2-3 dates, pick the one she liked best and cancelled the other two but put them on standby. If the first guy was more than 30 minutes late, she would go to a different location and call one of the guys she kept “on call”. It was amazing she got away with it, seeing as she wasn’t even putting out for them.

It appears ghosting happens even before they even meet anyone.  Today, everyone comes and goes as they choose to do so, and they will decide to not meet someone and not tell them.  I had seen it where someone said of a meeting in NYC I went down to, to meet him, and others, related to networking for game development stuff (literal game design here).  The guy doesn’t show at all, said he changed his mind at the last minute.  I guess he assumed that the meeting would of been enough.  I see that happen with recruiters also, who say they will call by a certain time and they don’t.  It happens all the time, with people dropping things when they see anything better popping up.

People do that this days.  I would say anyone does that with you for any reason, you look to cut them out and move on.  Do things on your terms, and see who comes along.

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

[SnakeSpectator 2080]

Knights Templar Rising wrote:

As I have heard more than one woman say: “Sometimes the men don’t even show up for dates!” I am still wondering what is up with that.

What might be happening in these cases is the woman posts a myspace angled photo to hide her fat, so the guy just cruises by the place they are supposed to meet and stealthily scouts for her. As soon as he confirms a land whale sighting he throws up a little in his mouth and drives off.

[Knights Templar RisingParticipant 5127]

Hah! Drive by recon!

I remember back in the personals ads days, a friend was talking to a girl on the phone for a few days.  When she opened the door, she was so obese he literally ran back to car.  He was p~~~ed.

Sovereignty above all else.

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

Knights Templar Rising wrote:

Hah! Drive by recon! I remember back in the personals ads days, a friend was talking to a girl on the phone for a few days. When she opened the door, she was so obese he literally ran back to car. He was p~~~ed.

I am now reminded of a story where a guy said he ran an ad where he requested one thing, the woman not be fat.  He still had a heavy set woman respond to the ad.  Sometimes, you can’t win.  Maybe it is just delusions.

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

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