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I’m Fermat. To those of you who have never seen me on here until now, I am not a new member. I’ve watched this site since early 2015 grow by leaps and bounds every month, and you know why?
It’s because we keep TALKING (that’s right talking, not whispering or signing) about women. And men who pay attention (not soft skin blue pillers and tradcons) get what were talking about. There are few (if any) other sites out there that actually TEACH you about the lifecycle of women like this one does. I didn’t learn it from my parents. I didn’t learn from my friends. Heck i barely learned anything from my relationship with my ex. But here, holy s~~~, I was learning. And its’ because men more experienced than I kept beating into my head what I was ignoring for years because my face was wedged between two vagina folds and I sure as hell wasn’t leaving. What you newbies and lurkers out there see as REPETITION I see as REINFORCEMENT. Anyone who knows any psychology knows that is KEY to getting animals to do some amazing s~~~.
I am confident that if we ONLY said nice things about women on here (like how, nice, soft, and cuddly they are), you newbies and lurkers would NOT be complaining about “talking too much about women.” It’s only because criticize their behavior and actually call them out on their childish s~~~ that it makes you upset so you go on a tirade and say “well, uh..let’s uh…can we talk about JUST self improvement, please?”
UH..NO! Cutting women from your life (or at least de-prioritizing them for those that still play, no judgement here) is PART of the SELF IMPROVEMENT. I’ve never heard of any man in my personal SUFFER from leaving women ALONE! In fact, the converse almost always appears to be true.
Yes, women invest. Women lift. Women climb the corporate ladder. Those things are all well and good for men to do and do add benefit to your life, no debate there at all. But what makes MGTOW for MEN and not some arbitrary genderless life path is that it emphasizes not defining your life by the snatch your dick is in. That’s why we keep talking about it. It’s THAT important.
During my year away from here, I have seen SOOOO Many men who desperately need a site like this. Most of them aren’t even married. They are just TIRED OF THE SOCIAL BULLS~~~. Unfortunately, from my observation they just aren’t ready to receive. Maybe one day they will be. It is what it is.
Keep up the TALK guys. It’s working.
I have discovered a truly remarkable list of reasons why women are not necessary for a happy life, but alas this margin is too small to contain it.
What you newbies and lurkers out there see as REPETITION I see as REINFORCEMENT
Great quote! It always amazes me that not one day goes by where I dont see a gem dropped on this site. I wish more men knew about all the wisdom and enlightenment found by all the members here. Your phrase would be good banner material.
Never lose sight of what brought you here.
Anonymous0I’m Fermat. To those of you who have never seen me on here until now, I am not a new member. I’ve watched this site since early 2015 grow by leaps and bounds every month, and you know why? […]
Hi Fermat, glad to meet you. I’m a relative newbie, but I’ll put in my two cents.
I sometimes wonder if some of the other newbies are put off by the crude language and gross generalizations that we use here in talking about women. There really are very few places left in the world where men routinely refer to women as “c~~~s” “meatholes,” etc. and talk about how women are all dimwitted, greedy and evil. I know it put me off a bit at first, and I suspect it grates on the ears of some other newbies.
So when newbies accuse us of “talking too much about women,” I suspect that maybe they’re being diplomatic and what they’re really saying is “Is the women-bashing and crudity necessary? Is that all that MGTOW is about? Calling women c~~~s and putting them down?”
I’m just guessing, of course. But I know that the woman-bashing jumped out at me right from the start and took some getting-used-to. So I imagine that at least some of the newbies are having problems with it.
Anyway, in our defense I would raise two points:
1) We do plenty of talk here about men’s issues, self-improvement, investing, health, retirement plans, sports, etc. If someone really comes here to read about those issues, they can hang out in the forums designated for those subjects and skip most of the woman-bashing content. In other words, MGTOW is much bigger than just woman-bashing; there is lots of other quality content here for those who want more.
2) Meantime, I also think it’s important to do some genuine, hard-core woman-bashing. There’s a gender war on, and it’s bare-knuckle, no-holds barred. I used to do some chatting on a couple semi-technical message boards in the past. They were gradually taken over by feminists and SJWs, and men were treated like neanderthals. If guys wanted to congregate in their own threads, female moderators and onlookers would hover on the fringes waiting to call out any misbehavior. Meantime, the younger female posters would talk about how men are all porn-addicted “potential rapists.” If the younger gals don’t like something, they would say “That sounds rape-y.” They loved attaching the R-word to anything connected with men, in one form or another.
I wouldn’t have minded if they called men “dicks” or “dickheads” or “c~~~s” or some other insult along that line. But when they threw around words like “rapist,” “rape-y,” “rape culture,” and all the other variations on the R-word, they were throwing around loaded words that had the very real potential to get someone thrown in jail. It was a game to remind men that women had power over us: In fact, they have the power to deprive men of their freedom and livelihood.
So yes, they’re f~~~ing c~~~s. Newbies come here to MGTOW thinking that girls are cute and all their “rape” talk is just empty PC jabber. But they have to learn differently. There’s a gender war on, and it behooves men to really see how vicious the women have become, and to be prepared to take an aggressive posture right back at them. If we men have a space where we can cuss a bit and raise hell, then we should be taking maximum advantage of that freedom. Believe me, nothing we say about them is anywhere near as bad as them throwing around the R-word and emboldening each other to use it casually and frequently about men. The language we use about them may be crude, but in fact it’s utterly harmless. It’s just novelty that makes it grate on the ears of newbies. Meantime, the fact that women feel free to speak of men as rapists, and everyone gives them a pass on it, shows how dangerous and insidious their own language has become through sheer repetition.
"It seems like there's times a body gets struck down so low, there ain't a power on earth that can ever bring him up again. Seems like something inside dies so he don't even want to get up again. But he does."
Hi Fermat. I’m a newbie, too. I keep waiting for someone to call ME something, but they haven’t. I can tell that I’ve rubbed a few nerves, but I don’t feel uncomfortable at all. If I can’t stick my foot in my mouth here, then where? Yeah, I wish I had discovered this site long ago. It’s a great help to see the resources here.
"Don't follow in my footsteps...I stepped in something."
Hi Fermat. I’m a newbie, too. I keep waiting for someone to call ME something, but they haven’t.
Joetech, your a dick.
When you find yourself in the majority, it's time to reflect.
Yeah, I’m an asshole, too. Ask any woman.
"Don't follow in my footsteps...I stepped in something."
Nice post Twostep. That’s a nos~~~ter on the they call us rapist crap. C~~~ c~~~ c~~~ c~~~
When you find yourself in the majority, it's time to reflect.
C~~~: A Cultural History Of The C-Word
The c-word, ‘c~~~’, is perhaps the most offensive word in the English language, and consequently it has never been researched in depth. Hugh Rawson’s Dictionary Of Invective contains the most detailed study of what he calls “The most heavily tabooed of all English words” (1989), though his article is only five pages long. C~~~: A Cultural History Of The C-Word is therefore intended as the first comprehensive analysis of this ancient and powerful word.
‘C~~~’ has been succinctly defined as “the bottom half of a woman or a very despicable person” (Pentti Olli, 1999). According to Francis Grose’s scurrilous definition, it is “a nasty name for a nasty thing” (1796). ‘C~~~’ is a synonym for ‘vagina’, though this is only its most familiar meaning. As a noun, ‘c~~~’ has numerous other senses: a woman (viewed as a sexual object), sexual intercourse, a (foolish) person, an infuriating device, an ironically affectionate term of address, the mouth as a sexual organ, the anus as a sexual organ, the buttocks, prostitution, a vein used for drug-injection, a synonym for ‘damn’, an attractive woman, an object or place, the essence of someone, and a difficult task. It can also be used as an adjective (to describe a foolish person), a verb (meaning both to physically abuse someone and to call a woman a c~~~), and an exclamation (to signify frustration). Despite its semantic flexibility, however, ‘c~~~’ remains our highest linguistic taboo: “It has yet, if ever, to return to grace” (Jonathon Green, 2010).
‘C~~~’ is a short, monosyllabic word, though its brevity is deceptive. The word’s etymology is surprisingly complex and contentious. Like many swear words, it has been incorrectly dismissed as merely Anglo-Saxon slang:
“friend, heed this warning, beware the affront
Of aping a Saxon: don’t call it a c~~~!” (—-).
In fact, the origins of ‘c~~~’ can be traced back to the Proto-Indo-European ‘cu’, one of the oldest word-sounds in recorded language. ‘Cu’ is an expression quintessentially associated with femininity, and forms the basis of ‘cow’, ‘queen’, and ‘c~~~’. The c-word’s second most significant influence is the Latin term ‘cuneus’, meaning ‘wedge’. The Old Dutch ‘kunte’ provides the plosive final consonant.
The Oxford English Dictionary clarifies the word’s commonest contexts as the two-fold “female external genital organs” and “term of vulgar abuse” (RW Burchfield, 1972). At the heart of this incongruity is our culture’s negative attitude towards femininity. ‘C~~~’ is a primary example of the multitude of tabooed words and phrases relating to female sexuality, and of the misogyny inherent in sexual discourse. Kate Millett sums up the word’s uniquely despised status: “Somehow every indignity the female suffers ultimately comes to be symbolized in a sexuality that is held to be her responsibility, her shame […] It can be summarized in one four-letter word. And the word is not f~~~, it’s c~~~. Our self-contempt originates in this: in knowing we are c~~~” (1973).
When used in a reductive, abusive context, female genital terms such as ‘c~~~’ are notably more offensive than male equivalents such as ‘dick’. This linguistic inequality is mirrored by a cultural imbalance that sees images of the vagina obliterated from contemporary visual culture: “The vagina, according to many feminist writers, is so taboo as to be virtually invisible in Western culture” (Lynn Holden, 2000). Censorship of both the word ‘c~~~’ and the organ to which it refers is symptomatic of a general fear of – and disgust for – the vagina itself. The most literal manifestation of this fear is the myth of the ‘vagina dentata’, symbolising the male fear that the vagina is a tool of castration (the femme castratrice, a more specific manifestation of the Film Noir femme fatale).
There have been attempts, however, to reappropriate ‘c~~~’, investing it with a positive meaning and removing it from the lexicon of offence, similar in effect to the transvaluation of ‘bad’, ‘sick’, and ‘wicked’, whose colloquial meanings have also been changed from negative to positive – what Jonathon Green calls “the bad equals good model” of oppositional slang (Jennifer Higgie, 1998). The same process took place in Mexico when the offensive term ‘guey’/’buey’ was “co-opted by the cool, young set as a term of endearment” (Marc Lacey, 2009).
The C~~~-Art movement used traditional ‘feminine’ arenas such as sewing and cheerleading as artistic contexts in which to relocate the word. A parallel ‘c~~~-power’ ideology, seeking to reclaim the word more forcefully, was instigated by Germaine Greer – and later revived by Zoe Williams, who encouraged “C~~~ Warriors” to reclaim the word (2006), the latest of the “various attempts over several hundred years of usage to “resignify” c~~~ to resume its original, feminine-anatomical status” (Jacqueline Z Wilson, 2008).
What ‘c~~~’ has in common with most other contemporary swear words is its connection to bodily functions. Genital, scatological, and sexual terms (such as, respectively, ‘c~~~’, ‘s~~~’, and ‘f~~~’) are our most powerful taboos, though this was not always the case. Social taboos originally related to religion and ritual, and Philip Thody contrasts our contemporary bodily taboos with the ritual taboos of tribal cultures: “In our society, that of the industrialised West, the word ‘taboo’ has lost almost all its magical and religious associations” (1997). In Totem Und Tabu, Sigmund Freud’s classic two-fold definition of ‘taboo’ encompasses both the sacred and the profane, both religion and defilement: “The meaning of ‘taboo’, as we see it, diverges in two contrary directions. To us it means, on the one hand, ‘sacred’, ‘consecrated’, and on the other ‘uncanny’, ‘dangerous’, ‘forbidden’, ‘unclean'” (1912).
Taboos relating to language are most readily associated with the transgressive lexicon of swearing. William Shakespeare, writing at the cusp of the Reformation, demonstrated the reduced potency of blasphemy and, with his thinly veiled ‘c~~~’ puns, slyly circumvented the newfound intolerance towards sexual language. Later, John Wilmot would remove the veil altogether, writing “some of the filthiest verses composed in English” (David Ward, 2003) with an astonishingly uninhibited sexual frankness and a blatant disregard for the prevailing Puritanism. Establishment “prudery […] in the sphere of sex”, as documented by Peter Fryer (1963), continued until after the Victorian period, when sexually explicit language was prosecuted as obscene.
It was not until the latter half of the 20th century, after the sensational acquittal of Lady Chatterley’s Lover, that the tide finally turned, and sexual taboos – including that of ‘c~~~’ – were challenged by the ‘permissive society’. During the Lady Chatterley obscenity trial, the word ‘c~~~’ became part of the national news agenda, and indeed the eventual publication of Lady Chatterley can be seen as something of a watershed for the word, marking the first widespread cultural dissemination of “arguably the most emotionally laden taboo term” (Ruth Wajnryb, 2004).
The word has since become increasingly prolific in the media, and its appearances can broadly be divided into two types: euphemism and repetition. Humorous, euphemistic references to ‘c~~~’, punning on the word without actually using it in full, represent an attempt to undermine our taboo against it: by laughing at our inability to utter the word, we recognise the arcane nature of the taboo and begin to challenge it. By contrast, the parallel trend towards repetitive usage of ‘c~~~’ seeks to undermine the taboo through desensitisation. If ‘c~~~’ is repeated ad infinitum, our sense of shock at initially encountering the word is rapidly dispelled. With other swear words (notably ‘f~~~’) gradually losing their potency, ‘c~~~’ is left as the last linguistic taboo, though even the c-word can now be found adorning badges, t-shirts, and book covers. Its normalisation is now only a matter of time.C~~~ Is…
‘C~~~’ is probably the most offensive and censored swear word in the English language: “Of all the four-letter words, C~~~ is easily the most offensive” (Ruth Wajnryb, 2004). Martin Samuel calls it “one of the best words” (2007). Our taboo surrounding the word ensures that it is rarely discussed, though, when it is, the superlatives come thick and fast. Accordingly, Zoe Williams writes: “It’s the rudest word we’ve got, in the entire language” (2006), and Nick Ferrari is outraged by it: “[it’s] the worst word in the world […] I think it’s an utterly grotesque word […] it’s just a gutteral, ghastly, nasty word” (Pete Woods, 2007). Jacqueline Z Wilson also writes in superlative terms: “‘C~~~’ is the most confronting word […] probably in every major variety of English spoken anywhere [and is] the most offensive word in the English language” (2008[a]). In her study of Australian prison graffiti, Wilson writes that ‘c~~~’ is “the most confronting word in mainstream Australian English, and perhaps in every major variety of English spoken anywhere” (2008). Sarah Westland (2008) calls it “the worst insult in the English language”, “the nastiest, dirtiest word”, “the greatest slur”, and “the most horrible word that someone can think of”. According to a front-page article in The Mail On Sunday, ‘c~~~’ is “the most offensive word in English” (Chris Hastings, 2011). Peter A Neissa describes it as “the most degrading epithet in English speaking culture” (2008).
Sara Gwin (2008) calls it “the most offensive word for women” and “one of the most offensive words in the English language, if not the worst”. Specifically, she problematises the word’s reductivism: “It objectifies women by reducing them down to their body part that has been defined by male usage […] there is a whole history of misogyny packed in to that one-syllable word”. She cautiously acknowledges the potential for feminist reclamation: “Women have every right to reclaim the word for themselves or for a particular group. However, there has to be the acknowledgement that this word is still incredibly insulting to many and we have to respect that”.
‘C~~~’ is “one of the most foul and insulting [words] in the English language” (Megan Goudey and Ashley Newton, 2004) and “a word so hateful it can scarcely be uttered” (Jennifer Baumgardner and Amy Richards, 2000). Naomi Wolf’s book Vagina (2012) includes a chapter on the c-word titled The Worst Word There Is, in which she calls ‘c~~~’ “the word considered to be the most derogatory, the most violent, the most abusive”. M Hunt [no relation] calls it “the most taboo word in the English language” (2006). Peter Silverton (2009) describes it as “the most unacceptable word in the language”, “the worst word in the language”, and “a hate word of unparalelled force”. Zoe Heller calls it “the worst of bad words” (2012). Libby Brooks views it as “the most shocking word in the English language […] the grossest insult you can use” (2008). Andrew Goldman calls ‘c~~~’ “the mother of all nasty words” and “the most controversial word of all” (1999). Victoria Coren calls it “the word which is still considered the most offensive in the language” (Deborah Lee, 2006). Alex Games sees it as “still the ultimate taboo utterance” (2006). Geoffrey Hughes calls it “the most seriously taboo word in English” (2006). For Tom Aldridge, it is “unarguably the most obscene [and] most forbidden word in English”, “the ultimate obscenity”, and “the nastiest four-letter word” (2001). In her article The C Word: How One Four-Letter Word Holds So Much Power (2011), Christina Caldwell calls ‘c~~~’ the “nastiest of nasty words”. Jack Holland notes that “the word ‘c~~~’ expressethe worst form of contempt one person could feel for another” (2006). John Doran describes it as “The most offensive word in the world”, “the worst word that anyone has ever been able to think of”, and “[the] most terrible of terrible words” (2002). It is, according to Sue Clark, “far and away the most offensive word for the British public. […] If it is used aggressively towards women it is absolutely the last word in swearing” (Anthony Barnes, 2006). Beatrix Campbell calls it “a radioactive word […] impregnated with hostility”. It is Michael Madsen’s favourite word: “I just lke it because it’s really mean and at the same time it’s really lyrical and colourful and imaginative” (Chris Hewitt, 2008). It is also Elton John’s favourite word: “It is the best word in the English language” (Peter Silverton, 2009). Rankin, who wore a mask with an ‘I’m a c~~~’ slogan in 2006, describes it as “an amazing word”.
Deborah Orr provides a neat summary of the word’s central functions, invective and empowerment: “Attitudes to this powerful expression, especially among women, are changing. For many centuries now, the word has been elaborately veiled under the weird and heavy drapes of a disapproval so strong that it has become pre-eminent among forbidden words. “C~~~” remains, for the vast majority of people, pretty much the worst, the ugliest, the most barbaric, crude and filthy English word there is. For others, though, its use is a mark of worldly and liberal sophistication” (2006). In her article Why The C Word Is Losing Its Bite (2009), Kathleen Deveny calls ‘c~~~’ “the rudest, crudest, most taboo term in the English language, the superstar of four-letter words”.
Further attitudes towards ‘c~~~’ were included in the BBC3 television documentary The C-Word: How We Came To Swear By It (Pete Woods, 2007). The programme, presented by Will Smith, acknowledged the omnipresence of ‘c~~~’ in contemporary life and culture: “every language needs its single, ultimate taboo swear word, and [‘c~~~’] has become ours. But for how much longer? You see, the more you hear it, the more you become immune to its power”.
Anonymous0C~~~holster.
Anonymous42C~~~: A Cultural History Of The C-Word
My coffee cooled down before I was even halfway through. TL;DR
But love ya anyway ILA.
A theses on C~~~? Only ILA… Welcome back bro! You’re my morning gutbusting laugh! You bring JOY to my LIFE!
C~~~, MG-Tower version; C~~~ says it all! for emphasis; F~~~ING C~~~! for more emphasis: Motherf~~~ing C~~~, and more; c~~~ sucking motherf~~~ing C~~~ and even more; God damned c~~~ sucking motherf~~~ing C~~~!
You can also mix it up; Motherf~~~ing god damned c~~~ sucking C~~~!
Never mind, you get the point, I could start my own thesis!
Great Post Fermat! And welcome back!
C~~~: A Cultural History Of The C-Word
My coffee cooled down before I was even halfway through. TL;DR
But love ya anyway ILA.
A theses on C~~~? Only ILA… Welcome back bro! You’re my morning gutbusting laugh! You bring JOY to my LIFE!
C~~~, MG-Tower version; C~~~ says it all! for emphasis; F~~~ING C~~~! for more emphasis: Motherf~~~ing C~~~, and more; c~~~ sucking motherf~~~ing C~~~ and even more; God damned c~~~ sucking motherf~~~ing C~~~!
You can also mix it up; Motherf~~~ing god damned c~~~ sucking C~~~!
Never mind, you get the point, I could start my own thesis!
Great Post Fermat! And welcome back!
Awe thank you TWR, that makes my day.
Sorry about the coffee bro … but I think you have enough stimulation anyway 🙂
I thought I would give the history of the ‘C’ word so the ladeezzzz could clue themselves up …. what with them being krunts and all.
I’m sitting at a hospital waiting for a family member. Outside in the sun with ice water and dreaming of mgtow freedom.
Just booked an RV for a week and heading to the lakes late Sept.
Photos, video and test my new RPAS drone and camera.
End of season so no fkr around …. fkg wonderful. Can’t wait.
You can laed a whore to culture but you can’t make her think.
Later Tower. ILA changing freq to TMA director departures 🙂
ILiveAgain wrote:
C~~~: A Cultural History Of The C-WordQuite the lesson in C~~~ology-who knew?
To me theres nothing sexier than the words f~~~ing c~~~!
Primal,brutal,basic,honest
Lifes a bitch,but you don't have to marry one!
I keep waiting for someone to call ME something,
Hi f~~~~~!
Fermat you are the light in the darkness brother. Those beta manginas in this forum that complain of us exposing toxic women of the massive c~~~s that they are need to pack their s~~~ and GTFO.
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Hello Fermat. I started lurking around this site about 15 months ago and I joined last September. I remember you and your posts because I learned a lot from them. I had noticed about 6 months ago that you weren’t around any more and I was wondering what happened to you.
I am glad to see you are back and you seem to be doing well. Thank you for sharing your wisdom. I look forward to reading your posts again.Feminism isn't about equality with men, it's about leverage over men.
I sometimes wonder if some of the other newbies are put off by the crude language and gross generalizations that we use here in talking about women. There really are very few places left in the world where men routinely refer to women as “c~~~s” “meatholes,” etc. and talk about how women are all dimwitted, greedy and evil. I know it put me off a bit at first, and I suspect it grates on the ears of some other newbies.
So when newbies accuse us of “talking too much about women,” I suspect that maybe they’re being diplomatic and what they’re really saying is “Is the women-bashing and crudity necessary? Is that all that MGTOW is about? Calling women c~~~s and putting them down?”
I completely agree with you. When I first visited the site, I first looked at the content in the “Sections” and thought it was gold and whoever created this site was a genius.
Then I’ve seen the forum and it was “c~~~s” everywhere, including the “c~~~s punted” counter for each member. I wondered if whoever created this site were actually just as crazy as the feminists. No offense meant. But I had no idea who these people were and it gave me a really bad impression.
I wasn’t educated to call women “c~~~s” just as I wouldn’t call men “cucks”. Funny how one can get banned here for one but not the other.
Even if they are horrible people, why not be specific and call them “spoiled”, “liars”, “cheaters”, “leechers” etc? Name-calling is childish. You may think it’s cool, but it doesn’t sound like that to me, even after a year of reading. It’s one of the reasons I didn’t recommend this website to anyone, although I have a colleague with love problems. It would make me look bad.
A man shouldn't make his life's objective to be on the side of the majority, but to avoid finding himself in the ranks of the insane. (Marcus Aurelius)
I had been watching MGTOW video’s daily for about a year before i finally decided to register here. I think all of us just being here, means we’re already lightyears ahead of the average male out there, in understanding female nature. Even someone new to MGTOW could probably raise the hairs on the back of the necks, of the average mangina, with a few questions, and points.
I go to work every afternoon, and it’s always the same story … one or two chicks standing around, surrounded by about 10 guys swooning over them. You can tell they are just overloaded with joy that a girl in her early 20’s is willing to talk to them. Meanwhile there I am, the lone MGTOW in the building. I grab my gear and get out quickly.
This unfortunately let’s me know that there are way too many manginas still. Sure i get a little chuckle inside at the girls looking over at me trying to figure out why i’m the only one ignoring them … but i would much rather they had to wonder why ALL of us ignore her.
I can only hope that one day MGTOW is the majority of men.
I was raised in Western New York and I’m half Italian, so the language has never bothered me. For folks with a sensitive palate, this place my be a bit unrefined. It’s like walking into a dive and finding out they’ve got the best beer in town. Maybe there are flavors you don’t care for, so you don’t drink those. Some of us here, I suspect, have never been divorced yet, but are married. This place can be scary for people like that. I guess the reason we talk about women here is because they have t~~~…if only they had a brain. I don’t say things like that to insult the two nieces I have that have brains. I say it because I’m sad for the other two.
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