Why the EU’s Fiat Currency System Must Fail

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  • #367936
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    Hi Blacque

    Yes all the time – I also listen to

    The Mogambo Guru (yes really!)- Richard Daughty at http://mogamboguru.com/

    David Morgan of the Morgan Report
    http://www.themorganreport.com/

    Jim Rickards at The Daily Reckoning
    https://dailyreckoning.com/

    Mike Maloney at GoldSilver
    https://goldsilver.com/

    David Stockman at Contra Corner
    http://davidstockmanscontracorner.com/

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    OK that is scary as s~~~. 18 battalions isn’t enough to pose a threat to any single country but it is enough to crush civil opposition. So its really a police military/police force designed to keep everyone in line.

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    LookAfter#1
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    tatement above is a clear logical fallacy used widely by left wing trying to justify their economic policies of running high budget deficits on top of high public debt. Why the f~~~ should someone from Estonia subsidize someone from Greece ? “Austerity” is nothing but natural balancing of corrupt ideas from left wing.

    You’re missing the point that if the likes of Starbucks, Google, Amazon and Apple didn’t evade paying tax in these countries, there would be no budget deficit.
    Apple makes enough money as it is, so it would not miss the money it owes in taxation.
    Austerity has done f~~~ all for me, austerity is the poorest 99.9% paying for the the richest 0.1 %
    Its the old, the poor and disabled who suffer in austerity.
    Then our whole economic system is based on debt, thats how the banks make their money. There is no way out of public debt. And who exactly are we in debt to and what is he going to do about it, if we just write it our debt off and not play his game?

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    We were lied to by teh suspected satanist Ted Heath in 1975 and we were dragged into a political union which destroyed countless British industries from fishing to aluminium over 4) years.

    Remind me what Thatcher ever did to save British industry? Especially why did she ever do to save coal mining jobs?

    While more than 1,000 collieries were working in the UK during the first half of the 20th century, by 1984 only 173 were still operating.[7]

    These are people jobs and livelihoods that Im talking about. That provided food and a home for their families. Now there is 0 deep-mines in the UK

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    All fiat currencies eventually revert to their natural / true value, which is zero.

    My guesstimate is that the dollar is worth about 1/12th – 1/15th what it was when I was a child in the mid-1970s. That’s a pretty dramatic decline. We haven’t kept anything like a true account of inflation in decades and decades, so I don’t really know what it is. It’s all guesstimates at this point.

    The balance of payments / balance of trade is another large issue. Right now most of the world is in hock to their eyebrows to China and a very few other countries for consumer and basic spending. Worse, if one actually examines what goods and services are sold back and forth, the States sells a lot of things like software and entertainment. In any kind of trade war, those will immediately simply be pirated. The other two interesting ones off the top are agriculture and timber, which would suggest that for all intents and purposes the United States are a colony of China. An interesting and illuminating view.

    Western Europe is in a similarly f~~~ed position. The West just doesn’t *make* enough stuff, and you can’t really trade all the Feels(TM) internal service garbage that we’ve focussed on. All the women’s studies and English and women’s history majors . . . yeah, those replaced the effort we used to spend training machinists and construction trades and every skill in between that is quite literally dying out in the West.

    I think Trump is pretty much the last chance the West has. If he doesn’t do it – by choice or failure – the West will fall.

    Too many years of liberalism, fantasy, and poor decision making. Too many years of total corruption, incompetence, and ever-declining entertainment.

    "You can either love women, or understand women. You can't do both. Because once you understand women, you realize that there is really nothing to love."

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    Hi Elric

    If you want real economic data go to http://www.shadowstats.com.
    They have inflation data from 1980 onwards.

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    There has been a lot of derailing in this post so I will try to stay on point:

    Why was the EURO failed before it begun? Its an easy question but the answer is not a short one.

    As anything that is DOOMED to fail, its always a lot of issues, not just one. Even if its a huge problem, if its only one, it is easy to focus on it and take it down eventually (just like a boss in games).

    Here are the issues I saw when the euro was starting to be used in Spain:

    1. Common currency, different cultures:

    There is a reason why German deutche mark was strong. Because Germany was strong, because Germans were efficient and produced good products with high quality at premium prices. Now, you unite that to the Spanish Peseta, that is mostly coming form a country of lazy people (Most of the Income for Spain was tourism, where you barely have to do anything and construction where all the workers were from Eastern Europe).
    Now you out them together and in order for the EURO to represent correctly its value (its it has to be the same everywhere) you need to balance its value OR (and this is the key part) change the mentality of an entire country.
    As you can guess, they tried the second option (it was the only one that could make few people very rich, very quickly).

    2. Better trade for the EU area between European countries, worse with others:

    Yes, on paper the idea of boosting internal trade was a good thing, but always remember there must be a cost for something good (nothing is free). Lets try to understand what happened here:
    a) You have one Currency, so the no money is lost in converting one currency to another… sort of. Since of course its all based on demand and supply, if the cost of selling something overseas changes, the market adjusts.
    b) The countries that you did not buy from (for price/quality perspective) wont drop their price 50% because now you have the same currency. In most cases, it does not increase your interest in a product you didn’t like before.
    It does however make it harder for goods from cheaper countries outside of EU to be competitive, since that is what is signed in order to have a better deal on the inside, its offset by a worse deal on the outside.
    Here in lies the problem: Now, a country that was not wealthy enough to buy from the EU is forced to do so, at prices it cannot afford, going deeper into debt by a union that encourages going into debt.

    In the end it boils down to one thing: You have to trade goods for goods, currency is a means to do so. What do you do when Germans dont want what they consider to be poor quality Spanish goods?

    3. Common Greed: Milton Friendman was spot on when he said “Of course it is never us who are greedy, it is always the other fellow that is greedy”.

    This is another big problem. You unites people who all want more for themselves at the expense of others.
    The pie is not getting any bigger, you are just looking for different ways to slice it. Each country for their own, politicians vs “the people”, European politicians vs local politicians, right vs left… does it matter that you put them all under one roof if they keep fighting?

    4. History of wars: Lets not kid ourselves, humans are humans natural predator. Countries in Europe have been in so many wars its hard to count. We close our home doors, we have police officers (or how I like to call them secondary tax collectors with a gun) and we have jails.
    And then we have huge wars where people REALLY hate other people… and now it all gone cus we got the same currency. Good luck with that.

    Those are the points I noticed, I am sure there are many more.

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    CatsPaw
    Thanks for the insightful contribution.
    Interesting points you have raised.

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    It'sallbs
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    Thatcher did nothing? I’m not sure what you rpoint is

    http://www.leavemeansleave.eu

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    It'sallbs
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    The point some seem to be missing is,

    http://www.leavemeansleave.eu

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    It'sallbs
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    The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. …We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of. This is a logical result of the way in which our democratic society is organized. Vast numbers of human beings must cooperate in this manner if they are to live together as a smoothly functioning society. …In almost every act of our daily lives, whether in the sphere of politics or business, in our social conduct or our ethical thinking, we are dominated by the relatively small number of persons…who understand the mental processes and social patterns of the masses. It is they who pull the wires which control the public mind.”
    ― Edward L. Bernays, Propaganda

    http://www.leavemeansleave.eu

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