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First of all, I’m going to invoke a priori that men have no reproductive rights at all. Therefore having sex with women gives her a human for what to choose. I also invoke a priori that Nazi Germany (Godwin’s Law) did experimentation on humans to learn about the human body. We also decry their eugenics program as purely atrocious.
Time magazine makes a defense for fetal tissue research (http://time.com/3965176/fetal-tissue-research-planned-parenthood-video/). It’s the same idea that the Nazi’s had for doing research on the Jews.
Practically all Westerners agree that Nazi Germany was truly evil. Yet, we see the same thing in our culture. We are using fetuses because it’s not enough to torture a full grown human, not even enough to torture a baby, but an unborn baby.
In case you’ve missed your Woman’s Studies episode of The Magic School Bus, babies require the flesh of men, given to women through copulation. That is, having sex with women gives them the chance to produce a human which she may sell to “research.” You have no say in this. It’s like giving a gun to a criminal. Sure, it’s possible he won’t do anything with it, but you’re still guilty for giving him a gun because he’s proven that he’s the type to kill with it.
We know women are the type to sell humans for research. So, if you give a woman a chance to reproduce you are guilty of Nazi Germany-esque atrocities.
I am afraid that people completely forgot the history and it’s all going towards it repeating itself in a major way
hold on to your seats guysproud carrier of the 'why?' chromosome
Practically all Westerners agree that Nazi Germany was truly evil.
I’m one of the few who would disagree. I also think this false belief is part of the overarching problem that has led to an articulation of MGTOW.
Practically all Westerners agree that Nazi Germany was truly evil. Yet, we see the same thing in our culture.
This is out of ignorance. People don’t study, and therefor, they don’t learn. Operation Paperclip tells us all we need to know. The Nazi’s under Hitler may have been defeated, but their ideologies are still going quite strong, and they are embedded into the Military Industrial Complex.
Time magazine makes a defense for fetal tissue research (http://time.com/3965176/fetal-tissue-research-planned-parenthood-video/). It’s the same idea that the Nazi’s had for doing research on the Jews.
You are absolutely right about that. There is no real difference between the Nazi’s and current North American abortion laws.
I am afraid that people completely forgot the history and it’s all going towards it repeating itself in a major way
hold on to your seats guysYep, in fact the ride is already getting bumpy.
Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?
I’m one of the few who would disagree. I also think this false belief is part of the overarching problem that has led to an articulation of MGTOW.
Just further to my comment above, just take a look at this video. Watch the way they discuss Nazi Germany in a very ‘female’ way, all essentially agreeing that people shouldn’t be buying historic uniforms. There is repeated reference to ‘feelings’ and being ‘comfortable’ with things. No intellectual rigour in the discussion at all.
The problems we have with females reflect much wider issues in society, in my view.
We are using fetuses because it’s not enough to torture a full grown human, not even enough to torture a baby, but an unborn baby.
Are they torturing unborn babies? Do they take the fetus and give it electro shocks? Do they waterboard the fetus? Do they cut of its fingers or skin it alive?
No they are taking stem cells of aborted fetuses and embryos that are left over from in vitro fertilisation. What you are saying sounds like they are keeping babies in jars and cut of parts of their bodies.
They are working on small cell colonies. NOT on babies in jars.
The only question here for me is if abortion is ethical.
In the first few weeks I would say yes it is absolutely ethical. What is growing in the womb at that point is not a human yet. It has the potential to become a human. Every fertilized egg has the potential to become a human and every sperm has the potential to fertilize an egg and become a human.
The stem cells in a umbilical cord also have the potential to form every organ a human has. Does that make it unethical to throw a way the umbilical cord or use it for stem cell research? Does that make the cells in an umbilical cord a person? Would it be murder to kill these cells?
What I have seen here so far seems to be like a purely emotional reaction akin to the reason why most people think it is worse when a pregnant woman dies than when 4 men die.
Well, if you reduce morals to feelings then there can be no rational discussion on ethics or morals since when does one’s feelings trump another’s? I used the term “torturing babies” because it’s a token moral issue that comes up in debates precisely that it’s hard to justify it. I want to use it to demonstrate that should torturing babies is wrong, then how much more so is torturing unborn babies.
Inasmuch as this isn’t torture, the baby is certain murdered in the process of abortion. This can be very painful and the language from that famous video, “I can crush below…” which sounds pretty painful to me. Regardless, the issue isn’t that of pain, it’s that of dignity. That’s a human who doesn’t deserve this and my real focus is how similar using the tissue for experimentation purposes. That’s exactly how the Nazi’s viewed human life and dignity. They saw this is just stuff. Human’s had no dignity, so do what you please. You’re seeing the outworking.
The difference is that the Nazi’s were more honest with what they’re doing. We’re picking on these fetuses because they can’t cry, and because we can’t see them.
Anonymous13I do concur. I do concur. Its anti human really, isn’t it? To protect the weaker sex we have opted out of f~~~ing “life” in general and soon if we are not assimilated into the borg we will perish, and f~~~ing rightfully so if do say so myself.
As I recently found out….my kids are not mine, they are the mothers and the states (not in that specific order, but you get the jist).
I am so angry…so sad … I will never stick my c~~~ into a woman again…I would rather sky dive without a parachute first. I would rather be angry than sad…I love my kids….I miss my kids…but uncle sam mangina has took them with no cause no reason no proof of anything wrong, in fact I have proof against their mother’s credibility…illegal and dangerous situations that she has exposed our kids to, manipulation of the system right in front of the f~~~ing judges f~~~ing stupid eyes…and nope…nothing.
Never again.
Well, if you reduce morals to feelings then there can be no rational discussion on ethics or morals since when does one’s feelings trump another’s? I used the term “torturing babies” because it’s a token moral issue that comes up in debates precisely that it’s hard to justify it. I want to use it to demonstrate that should torturing babies is wrong, then how much more so is torturing unborn babies. Inasmuch as this isn’t torture, the baby is certain murdered in the process of abortion. This can be very painful and the language from that famous video, “I can crush below…” which sounds pretty painful to me. Regardless, the issue isn’t that of pain, it’s that of dignity. That’s a human who doesn’t deserve this and my real focus is how similar using the tissue for experimentation purposes. That’s exactly how the Nazi’s viewed human life and dignity. They saw this is just stuff. Human’s had no dignity, so do what you please. You’re seeing the outworking. The difference is that the Nazi’s were more honest with what they’re doing. We’re picking on these fetuses because they can’t cry, and because we can’t see them.
i don’t think you quite understood what I meant.
I do not think that a few cells that have no brain are already a human. Therefore it is not murder. My entire postition is based on the assumption that in the very early stages of pregnancy there is no person inside the womb.
Also I am not equating morals to feelings. What I am saying is that your lizard brain causes a strong emotional response to an embryo being killed. Your morals are informed by this emotional response but that doesn’t mean equating them to feelings.
I think it is necessary to think rationally about stuff like this. If you disagree that is fine.
What I should mention is that i made a mistake. I said I am fine with abortion during the first few weeks and I should have specified that by that I meant 5 weeks. Aborting a fetus(week 11+) is not ok as the brain formation has proceeded to far in my opinion.
Here is the timescale of fetal development I am basing my statements on:
http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/002398.htm
On a side note: I think appeals to emotion are not valid arguments and I will ignore them as soon as I recognize them.
This is out of ignorance. People don’t study, and therefor, they don’t learn. Operation Paperclip tells us all we need to know. The Nazi’s under Hitler may have been defeated, but their ideologies are still going quite strong, and they are embedded into the Military Industrial Complex.
This is interesting.
So it is out of ignorance that four of my grandfather’s brothers were taken out into the woods in September of 1939 and shot with a few hundred others due to being “Smart Polacks” who might create a resistance? Please, tell me more.
On a side note: I think appeals to emotion are not valid arguments and I will ignore them as soon as I recognize them.
That’s just a weasel word, “I think.” I’m glad you think, but show your work. Anyways, the horror and disgust from killing a human is a result from a thought of things when an issue is recognized as from a human or to a human. However, fine… I can still justify my position.
The murder (or killing, if you prefer) of unborn fetuses and use of their flesh (or cells) for purposes for science is identical to Nazi Germany’s use of Jews because of the principle by which they decided it was OK. Saying that the umbilical cord is the same as a human even by the same materials and genes is equivocation. People shed skin all the time, that skin is not that person, and we wouldn’t dare say that because someone sheds skin, and that skin is to be disposed, that that person may also be disposed. There’s a difference between an umbilical cord and a human, that the cord is created for the purpose of that human. Nature intends it for disposal. Go ahead and use that. It’s not falsified or accepted based on the principle of that sort, that too is equivocation. Just because it’s OK to dispose of the umbilical cord doesn’t mean it’s just OK to do that with human flesh. The principle is the human as the object of dignity and what you do with that human is important.
Saying, “there is no human,” isn’t even a rational conclusion. “Look, it’s undeveloped! You cannot house a human in that,” but that’s not your decision. You didn’t make mother nature, the womb, chemistry, DNA, nitrogen or anything. It’s not your decision to determine when the human comes to be. You just made an appeal of sorts to say, “Well, do you really think a human is there?” Well, that’s just weasel words again. There’s no logic there at all. Contrast that with saying, “Look, it’s separate from the mother identified by the necessary umbilical cord, it will grow and if not stopped develop into maturity, it is distinct and unique, having it’s own DNA, having boundaries for it’s being, not vague or ambiguous but defined where good things go into it and bad things leave. It surely is an entity with human DNA that does all the things we humans once did. It is as human as we are.” That statement is no less rational as yours ever was, and it leads to the opposite conclusion, so your logic is not a valid test of truth.
Your argument is purely materialistic which is purely in line with the Nazi views. They had no qualms because they threw out the idea of human dignity, that humans are to be cared for and pushed to maturity because of their inherent dignity.
Your argument is purely materialistic which is purely in line with the Nazi views. They had no qualms because they threw out the idea of human dignity, that humans are to be cared for and pushed to maturity because of their inherent dignity.
You are right my argument is purely materialistic. I don’t care that the nazis also held materialistic views no more than I care that hitler loved animals.
There’s a difference between an umbilical cord and a human, that the cord is created for the purpose of that human. Nature intends it for disposal.
What nature intends is irrelevant. Nature never intended for the wisdom teeth to be removed yet they have to be in some cases. Nature never intended for bananas to grow as big as they do or for humans to fly.
Saying, “there is no human,” isn’t even a rational conclusion. “Look, it’s undeveloped! You cannot house a human in that,” but that’s not your decision. You didn’t make mother nature, the womb, chemistry, DNA, nitrogen or anything. It’s not your decision to determine when the human comes to be.
An important part of being human is to be self aware. Maybe I should have used the word person instead since that describes better what I meant.
Look, it’s separate from the mother identified by the necessary umbilical cord, it will grow and if not stopped develop into maturity, it is distinct and unique, having it’s own DNA, having boundaries for it’s being, not vague or ambiguous but defined where good things go into it and bad things leave.
Sperm is separate from me. It has it’s own unique DNA it will grow and develop into maturity given the chance. Every living thing has boundaries for it’s being.
having boundaries (…) defined where good things go into it and bad things leave.
Yeah that is not vague or ambiguous at all.
It surely is an entity with human DNA that does all the things we humans once did. It is as human as we are.
Does it do all the same things do that we once did? It does all the things we did while we were in the same stage of development. A sperm cell fits all criteria you listed. It does everything I did while I was a sperm cell.
It is as human as I am in that sense.
Likewise, you’re just a clump of cells, and all that any woman would or could do to you is purely justified by your own logic.
Likewise, you’re just a clump of cells, and all that any woman would or could do to you is purely justified by your own logic.
No. I have previously stated that the brain developing is for me a determining factor in personhood. I have a brain. I am self aware. I can “want” things like staying alive. Therefore I am different from an umbilical cord, a sperm cell or a small clump of cells.
What’s the difference between you and an umbilical cord?
This is interesting. So it is out of ignorance that four of my grandfather’s brothers were taken out into the woods in September of 1939 and shot with a few hundred others due to being “Smart Polacks” who might create a resistance? Please, tell me more.
No idea how your comment is in any way related to what I posted.
Let’s recap.
Pascal said…”Practically all Westerners agree that Nazi Germany was truly evil. Yet, we see the same thing in our culture.”
I commented by saying that it’s in ignorance that Westerners agree that Nazi Germany was evil, but yet we still see their ideologies present in our society. I then proceeded to reference Operation Paperclip, the America operation that took some 500 Nazi scientists after their regime fell and integrated them right into the military, gave them funding, and allowed them free reign to continue their various experiments. This includes all their eugenics, cloning, torture studies, mind control and manipulation, rocketry…etc. It’s a very long list. This operation alone paved the way for the eventual birth of NASA.
So, my comment was spot on. People are ignorant to this. They aren’t aware that we took Nazi scientists, gave them immunity and protection, funded them, and allowed them to continue with their projects by integrating them into our Military Industrial Complex. Many of these projects are on the books, and undoubtedly, many of them to this day are off the book black ops.
Honestly, I don’t have a clue what you’re referring to or what it has to do with what I said.
This is interesting. So it is out of ignorance that four of my grandfather’s brothers were taken out into the woods in September of 1939 and shot with a few hundred others due to being “Smart Polacks” who might create a resistance? Please, tell me more.
No idea how your comment is in any way related to what I posted. Let’s recap. Pascal said…”Practically all Westerners agree that Nazi Germany was truly evil. Yet, we see the same thing in our culture.” I commented by saying that it’s in ignorance that Westerners agree that Nazi Germany was evil, but yet we still see their ideologies present in our society. I then proceeded to reference Operation Paperclip, the America operation that took some 500 Nazi scientists after their regime fell and integrated them right into the military, gave them funding, and allowed them free reign to continue their various experiments. This includes all their eugenics, cloning, torture studies, mind control and manipulation, rocketry…etc. It’s a very long list. This operation alone paved the way for the eventual birth of NASA. So, my comment was spot on. People are ignorant to this. They aren’t aware that we took Nazi scientists, gave them immunity and protection, funded them, and allowed them to continue with their projects by integrating them into our Military Industrial Complex. Many of these projects are on the books, and undoubtedly, many of them to this day are off the book black ops. Honestly, I don’t have a clue what you’re referring to or what it has to do with what I said.
Thanks for clarifying, I really appreciate it.
Purely misunderstanding on my part.
Thanks for clarifying, I really appreciate it. Purely misunderstanding on my part.
No worries. I thought there must have been some misunderstanding since you appeared to take issue with what I said despite there not really being a reason to. All good brutha!
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