Time magazine makes a defense for fetal tissue research (http://time.com/3965176/fetal-tissue-research-planned-parenthood-video/). It’s the same idea that the Nazi’s had for doing research on the Jews.

Practically all Westerners agree that Nazi Germany was truly evil. Yet, we see the same thing in our culture. We are using fetuses because it’s not enough to torture a full grown human, not even enough to torture a baby, but an unborn baby.

In case you’ve missed your Woman’s Studies episode of The Magic School Bus, babies require the flesh of men, given to women through copulation. That is, having sex with women gives them the chance to produce a human which she may sell to “research.” You have no say in this. It’s like giving a gun to a criminal. Sure, it’s possible he won’t do anything with it, but you’re still guilty for giving him a gun because he’s proven that he’s the type to kill with it.

We know women are the type to sell humans for research. So, if you give a woman a chance to reproduce you are guilty of Nazi Germany-esque atrocities.

Practically all Westerners agree that Nazi Germany was truly evil.

I’m one of the few who would disagree.  I also think this false belief is part of the overarching problem that has led to an articulation of MGTOW.

Practically all Westerners agree that Nazi Germany was truly evil. Yet, we see the same thing in our culture.

This is out of ignorance. People don’t study, and therefor, they don’t learn. Operation Paperclip tells us all we need to know. The Nazi’s under Hitler may have been defeated, but their ideologies are still going quite strong, and they are embedded into the Military Industrial Complex.

Time magazine makes a defense for fetal tissue research (http://time.com/3965176/fetal-tissue-research-planned-parenthood-video/). It’s the same idea that the Nazi’s had for doing research on the Jews.

You are absolutely right about that. There is no real difference between the Nazi’s and current North American abortion laws.

Russky wrote:

I am afraid that people completely forgot the history and it’s all going towards it repeating itself in a major way
hold on to your seats guys

Yep, in fact the ride is already getting bumpy.

I’m one of the few who would disagree. I also think this false belief is part of the overarching problem that has led to an articulation of MGTOW.

Just further to my comment above, just take a look at this video.  Watch the way they discuss Nazi Germany in a very ‘female’ way, all essentially agreeing that people shouldn’t be buying historic uniforms.  There is repeated reference to ‘feelings’ and being ‘comfortable’ with things.  No intellectual rigour in the discussion at all.

The problems we have with females reflect much wider issues in society, in my view.

We are using fetuses because it’s not enough to torture a full grown human, not even enough to torture a baby, but an unborn baby. 

Are they torturing unborn babies? Do they take the fetus and give it electro shocks? Do they waterboard the fetus? Do they cut of its fingers or skin it alive?

No they are taking stem cells of aborted fetuses and embryos that are left over from in vitro fertilisation. What you are saying sounds like they are keeping babies in jars and cut of parts of their bodies.

They are working on small cell colonies. NOT on babies in jars.

The only question here for me is if abortion is ethical.

In the first few weeks I would say yes it is absolutely ethical. What is growing in the womb at that point is not a human yet. It has the potential to become a human. Every fertilized egg has the potential to become a human and every sperm has the potential to fertilize an egg and become a human.

The stem cells in a umbilical cord also have the potential to form every organ a human has. Does that make it unethical to throw a way the umbilical cord or use it for stem cell research? Does that make the cells in an umbilical cord a person? Would it be murder to kill these cells?

What I have seen here so far seems to be like a purely emotional reaction akin to the reason why most people think it is worse when a pregnant woman dies than when 4 men die.

Inasmuch as this isn’t torture, the baby is certain murdered in the process of abortion. This can be very painful and the language from that famous video, “I can crush below…” which sounds pretty painful to me. Regardless, the issue isn’t that of pain, it’s that of dignity. That’s a human who doesn’t deserve this and my real focus is how similar using the tissue for experimentation purposes. That’s exactly how the Nazi’s viewed human life and dignity. They saw this is just stuff. Human’s had no dignity, so do what you please. You’re seeing the outworking.

The difference is that the Nazi’s were more honest with what they’re doing. We’re picking on these fetuses because they can’t cry, and because we can’t see them.

As I recently found out….my kids are not mine, they are the mothers and the states (not in that specific order, but you get the jist).

I am so angry…so sad … I will never stick my c~~~ into a woman again…I would rather sky dive without a parachute first.  I would rather be angry than sad…I love my kids….I miss my kids…but uncle sam mangina has took them with no cause no reason no proof of anything wrong, in fact I have proof against their mother’s credibility…illegal and dangerous situations that she has exposed our kids to, manipulation of the system right in front of the f~~~ing judges f~~~ing stupid eyes…and nope…nothing.

Never again.

Well, if you reduce morals to feelings then there can be no rational discussion on ethics or morals since when does one’s feelings trump another’s? I used the term “torturing babies” because it’s a token moral issue that comes up in debates precisely that it’s hard to justify it. I want to use it to demonstrate that should torturing babies is wrong, then how much more so is torturing unborn babies. Inasmuch as this isn’t torture, the baby is certain murdered in the process of abortion. This can be very painful and the language from that famous video, “I can crush below…” which sounds pretty painful to me. Regardless, the issue isn’t that of pain, it’s that of dignity. That’s a human who doesn’t deserve this and my real focus is how similar using the tissue for experimentation purposes. That’s exactly how the Nazi’s viewed human life and dignity. They saw this is just stuff. Human’s had no dignity, so do what you please. You’re seeing the outworking. The difference is that the Nazi’s were more honest with what they’re doing. We’re picking on these fetuses because they can’t cry, and because we can’t see them.

i don’t think you quite understood what I meant.

I do not think that a few cells that have no brain are already a human. Therefore it is not murder. My entire postition is based on the assumption that in the very early stages of pregnancy there is no person inside the womb.

Also I am not equating morals to feelings. What I am saying is that your lizard brain causes a strong emotional response to an embryo being killed. Your morals are informed by this emotional response but that doesn’t mean equating them to feelings.

I think it is necessary to think rationally about stuff like this. If you disagree that is fine.

What I should mention is that i made a mistake. I said I am fine with abortion during the first few weeks and I should have specified that by that I meant 5 weeks. Aborting a fetus(week 11+) is not ok as the brain formation has proceeded to far in my opinion.

Here is the timescale of fetal development I am basing my statements on:

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/002398.htm

On a side note: I think appeals to emotion are not valid arguments and I will ignore them as soon as I recognize them.