Why enter a relations~~~?

[Wolfgang RyderSpectator 70]

Some say that no one belongs to no one. Some say that if we’re happy with ourselves we can be happy with others. Some say that to enter a relations~~~ you have to be in good terms with yourself, right?

But if we are satisfied with our own company, why would we go after somebody?

If we are happy with ourselves, why should we share this happiness?

If we shouldn’t need to depend on others to give us joy, why should let them enter our lives?

If we already have what we need with ourselves, why should we pursue others?

If we are in good terms with our inner self, why should we be in good terms with others?

[RusskyParticipant 13503]

the most important relationship to have – is the relationship with yourself (get your s~~~ together). if you’re not on good terms with yourself – meaningful relationships with other people won’t be possible (except codependent relationships)

the problem is – when people don’t have a good relationship with themselves (and/or God) – they will look for that in other people and fail. But when you’re already have a good relationship with yourself (and/or God) – you tend to not seek out other relationships. So it’s catch 22

proud carrier of the 'why?' chromosome

[RusskyParticipant 13503]

Men seek a relationship trying to ensure that their children will be his
Women seek a relationship trying to ensure the exclusive (if possible) meal ticket long term

proud carrier of the 'why?' chromosome

[Anonymous 17]

The problem is that we live in a society of money where money is power and this moneypower can be transfered from men to women by the state or women can acquire this moneypower on their own and use the money to by food they can not grown and housing they can not build. It’s money that distorts the gender roles and the solution is for men to be as self sufficient as possible, then relationships will normalize again.

[RusskyParticipant 13503]

Anonymous wrote:

he solution is for men to be as self sufficient as possible, then relationships will normalize again.

Men can’t be self-sufficient because we can’t reproduce on our own, so there is no normalization in sight
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proud carrier of the 'why?' chromosome

[Anonymous 54]

Most in the psychology feild will thell you that you need a good relationship with yourself before your ready to enter a relationship with another.Very true. Mgtows know to not bother with relation ships with women cause its not healthy for us.The sheer joy of Mgtow!

[narwhalParticipant]

I think the idea that you have to be happy with yourself before you can be happy with other people is often misinterpreted. IMO anyway, it means that if you see flaws in yourself, you cannot expect someone else to come fix them for you. That never works. As well, whatever happiness you may get from someone else’s company won’t fill the ‘hole’ you have because you aren’t happy with yourself.

I don’t think you can reverse it say that other people cannot possibly have any value to you since your happy on your own. For one thing, there are different levels of happiness. I am happy hanging out by the pool all by myself. Would I be happier hanging out with good company by the pool? Usually, yes!

I don’t think there are issues with what men typically want for a relationship. They are good things. The probably is that women rarely deliver on what we thought we were getting from the relationship, and take much more then we every thought they would, both emotionally and physically.

Ok. Then do it.

[OgreParticipant 5863]

@WG, that’s the puzzle. If you are happy be yourself, and couldn’t go anywhere but down from any outside relationship then any relationship is a negative. If you are squared away, but the other is not then they will drag you down.

By virtue of the simple math anybody who brings unwanted drama or dysfunction is a negative.

If you are squared away and the other person is looking for a savior, then how does that encumber you with being the one to fix them?

Short answer, it doesn’t and you are best served by learning to recognize damaged goods and avoid at all costs. Even in situations that you decide to pursue you must be ready to cut away. The information available to you changes every second.

I failed to realize in my youth that I was the prize. I was going to work. I was going to earn. Little did I realize that due to feminism, that no longer meant I had to share. Road soon, Desert after.

[NeroParticipant 1466]

I have thought about this topic often enough. What I have come to believe is that healthy relationships should ENHANCE one another’s happiness, not disproportionately reduce one’s happiness. I believe this is the measuring stick to go by with all relationships in your life. If you have family or friends that do not enhance and seem like a toxic injection on most encounters, you need to evaluate and consider pruning those relationships. IMO, that is what most men, especially blue pill/white knights, like my former self go wrong with. Being so giving and fulfilled as we are, we look to give more than we ever care about receiving from our special snowflakes. We go very wrong from the outset of our relationships with women.

[Wolfgang RyderSpectator 70]

Russky wrote:

Men can’t be self-sufficient because we can’t reproduce on our own, so there is no normalization in sight

Presuming that I intend to have a spawn of my own.

Nonetheless, between searching for a treasure and making your own treasure alone, which one is viable? We are told to run after our diamonds but what’s the point of this if most of the diamonds are synthetic? There are those who are natural but how much energy and time of your life will you spend to find these?

Anonymous wrote:

By virtue of the simple math anybody who brings unwanted drama or dysfunction is a negative.

Positive with negative will always result negative.

[BigDParticipant 3024]

Let us define our terms.
When you say a “relations~~~” I am assuming we are talking about a romantic/physical relationship with a female.

A relationship is any interaction between two or more people. Such as I have a relationship with my brothers, my co-workers, my mother, my father, and so on. Some relationships are positive and some are negative. Just because you have a relationship with someone does not mean you are having a physical relationship.

With that in mind, entering a “relations~~~” is not beneficial for a man on any level in today’s day and age. Not because women are evil, or due to their nature. It is simply because the laws back up the evil a woman can commit and allows the worst parts of their nature to go unchecked.

Men, on the other hand have to deal with the law. If two men have a negative relationship, such as a faulty business relationship, both men have to deal with the law on an even playing field.

Men can be evil and their nature can be destructive as well. Men have just made the laws to keep these in check.

That is the only reason we exist in this “movement”. If we could deal with women’s nature and evil on an even playing field as we deal with other men there would be no need for “MGTOW”. The set parameters of just laws would allow the freedom of all men and women to be who they can be to stand on their own as human beings. We would just be called “confirmed bachelors”.

There was no shame in this. There would be no stigma.

Don't stick your dick into anyone you aren't willing to put up with for eighteen years and nine months.

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