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Anonymous6Social justice warriors seem to have hit a wall in American politics.
Perhaps sensing that their attempts to fundamentally transform America through top-down control have reached their limit, they are doubling down on reshaping America from the ground up.
Their new favorite target is American history, and they are starting with low-hanging fruit: Confederate monuments.
Activists are stridently taking their crusades from the college campus to a town near you, systematically pushing cities to change street names, tear down statues, and even dig up bodies to cleanse America of its Confederate history.
Last Friday, the mayor of Baltimore announced that the city will follow in the footsteps of New Orleans, and consider the removal of numerous Confederate monuments throughout the city.New Orleans Mayor Mitch Landrieu said of the removal of his city’s monuments:
To literally put the Confederacy on a pedestal in our more prominent places—in honor—is an inaccurate recitation of our full past, is an affront to our present and it is a bad prescription for our future.
It may perhaps be enough to denounce the bulldozing of statues as an absurd erasure of history, but this is not the primary problem with this drive to wipe out uncomfortable elements of our past from the public sphere.
The more critical issue at stake is the loss of a common purpose and the binding heritage that Americans of previous generations forged and shared.
Dehumanizing the Past, Robbing the Present
While many on the political right have been fine, and in some cases glad, that Confederate heroes are being wiped from public places, they are deeply mistaken if they think this crusade will stop with secessionists.
Most recently, “Antifa” (Anti-First Amendment) protestors in Texas have demanded the removal of a 100-year-old statue and “any other landmark that bears the name of Sam Houston,” according to Conservative Review. Houston, one of the founders of Texas, was a staunch Unionist and denounced the creation of the Confederacy.
But Houston owned slaves, so he’s been added to the purge list, which now includes: Andrew Jackson, Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, and even one of the fathers of progressivism, Woodrow Wilson, among many others.
This crusade makes little distinction between Thomas Jefferson and Thomas Jefferson Davis.
The problem was made palpable when anger poured on this Heritage Foundation tweet about a simple, and one would think, noncontroversial statement about Jefferson’s and America’s creedal foundation.
Those with even a cursory understanding of the Civil War should understand why Jefferson’s concept of a new nation “founded not on blood or ethnicity, but on an idea: that of natural human equality” is fundamentally at odds with the philosophical cornerstone of the Confederacy.But the savage attacks on Jefferson show how little distinction is made between various politically incorrect historical targets out of step with the milieu of the time.
In this debate, nuances are irrelevant. America’s sins must be purged. And to the left, which increasingly doesn’t recognize American exceptionalism or the greatness of the American founding documents, all of American history is in need of redemption.
Gone are the days of Jefferson’s inaugural address in which he announced, “We are all Republicans, we are all Federalists.”
While the election that brought Jefferson to the presidency was one of the most acrimonious in our history, he went out of his way to say that the majority of his fellow Americans were still committed to the cause of the republic despite the way they voted.
And to anyone not so committed, he said, “Let them stand undisturbed as monuments of the safety with which error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it.”
However, in this modern battle for the soul of America there are increasingly two modes: resist or crush.
The urge to crush is what many Americans heard when presidential candidate Hillary Clinton labeled opponents a “basket of deplorables.” Many Americans simply heard: “I want you to disappear.”
This is ultimately the same impulse behind the widespread drive to tear down statues.
Rebuilding E Pluribus Unum
There are perhaps few satisfactory ways to sum up the impact of the Civil War, which defined, or perhaps redefined, the American people.
Nevertheless, we were quite fortunate that during this time we had leaders like Abraham Lincoln, backed by the power of the Union Army, who smashed the Confederacy and eliminated the great evil of slavery forever.
Yet, numerous men and women of both sides laid the groundwork for reconciliation to reforge a united nation from the ashes of the fiery civil feud.
In the years following the war, there were undoubtedly some Americans militantly committed to “Lost Cause” myths about Southern victimhood and Northern aggressors wanting to keep the South down.
Yet many other Americans to whom we owe a debt of gratitude conducted the difficult task of rebuilding the United States.
Lincoln, of course, famously referred to this in his second inaugural address, saying that in the wake of the war Americans must embrace the concept of “malice toward none and charity for all.”
He demonstrated this by having the Southern tune “Dixie” played when news of Gen. Robert E. Lee’s surrender to Gen. Ulysses S. Grant was announced.
And Lincoln wasn’t alone.
Lee, who had led the Confederate Army of Northern Virginia despite his opposition to secession, also tried to patch up the wounds of a deeply divided nation.
He once wrote to a Confederate veteran, “I believe it to be the duty of everyone to unite in the restoration of the country and the reestablishment of peace and harmony.”
The old Confederate general stuck to his words. He refused to gin up animosity toward Reconstruction and worked to restore harmony between Americans.Many in the North recognized Lee’s contribution to reconciliation and went out of their way to make him a symbol of a nation on the mend.
Charles Francis Adams Jr. of Massachusetts, great-grandson of Founding Father John Adams, even dedicated a speech advocating that a statue to Lee be built in Washington, D.C.
While Adams, who had served in the Union Army, never conceded the justice of the cause of the free states, he noted how Lee demonstrated that good men could fight for bad causes. He said that men like Lee were still, ultimately, our “countrymen.”
No Past, and No Future
It is a discredit to modern Americans that we are now undoing the almost miraculous process of restoration achieved by men who had far more reason to hate.
This country may indeed have been blessed by divine providence, but it was also molded by the dirty hands of man. Americans may not be a perfect people, but they represent a great cause. This is what is lost in the blind efforts to remove statues and American history.
In our iconoclastic efforts to erase the past, we rob ourselves of knowing the men who forged our national identity, and the events that made us who we are. This nation, of almost incomprehensible wealth, power, and prosperity, was created by the decisions of men like Lincoln—and Lee, too.
The zealous march to obliterate America’s past, even parts we dislike, will leave us a diminished civilization.
The divisions and differences between us will become sharpened and less tolerable—and the lessons learned from the bloodiest war in our history will have to be relearned by a people who have failed to even come to grips with the wisdom of those who have come before us.
Severing our roots to this country’s history—warts and all—will turn the United States into little more than a listless, economic behemoth, with no past and no future.
http://dailysignal.com/2017/06/01/cities-shouldnt-take-confederate-statues/

Anonymous54Dixie was writen by a Northener actually
This is the beginging of a crusade to remove all things Male.
Confederate statues are an easy target for them to get the ball rolling.
Mabey swj’s should seceed from this f~~~ing planet.
Never new much about the confederate flag until i spoke to joe tech . He sounds like a pro on it .
THE PLANTATION HAS NOW TURNED INTO THE KILLING FIELDS . WOMAN ARE NOW ROLLING CAMBODIAN STYLE .
Those behind this want to erase all western culture from the world and books. They go after the low hanging fruit first having their useful idiots do the heavy lifting.

Anonymous54Never new much about the confederate flag until i spoke to joe tech . He sounds like a pro on it .
JT is extreemly well veresed and knowlageable about history and world politics. (And chicks in bars)

Anonymous54Venom. You are a very intelligent Young Man. You will go far in life.
Thanks for writeing that.We should allways have Statues of great Men.
I admire both Lee and Grant greatly.
They should all be rememberd.
Well exept sherman and…mcullen. Hahah

Anonymous6Venom. You are a very intelligent Young Man. You will go far in life.
Thanks for writeing that.We should allways have Statues of great Men.
I admire both Lee and Grant greatly.
They should all be rememberd.
Well exept sherman and…mcullen. Hahah
Man my senior thesis in Undergraduate was about the Civil War. Analyzing Vicksburg and Gettysburg To Determine Which One Was more crucial to ending the war. I’m sick of Lee, Grant, Sherman, Lincoln, Union, Confederates, man that paper was stressful.
But i developed an affinity for the history of that war and everybody involved. I might not agree with what General Lee stood for, but I definitely don’t want his statue taken down. He’s a figure in history, and should be remembered as such.

Anonymous54You obviously are far more knowlagable than me on the subject, but was Lee not initialy opposed to the war?
He did not want to be the General in charge, but reluctantly accepted the position, in his words, he accepted because he wanted to protect Virginia.This History belongs to all of us, and should not be forgotten
Not to fear… all is not lost! I go to closing on a historic Civil War church located out in the rural part of an adjoining county in two weeks time. I have worked on this project for the last 9 months doing painstaking research and obtaining the proper use and septic permits. I have to keep the location secret for the time being until the deal is consummated.
I intend to make the large addition attached to the back my retirement dwelling and transform the church itself into a civil war themed wedding chapel, open re-enactor bivouac site, and living history museum where I will personally instruct those interested in learning “hands on” how to properly load and fire both .58 cal. Springfield and 3 band Enfield muskets plus cap and ball revolvers. I will also act as a guide to the many battlefields located close by. One of which occurred right on the front lawn of the church.
I take the preservation of my southern heritage very seriously. So much so that I am going to anti up a large chunk of my retirement savings towards it. A relative on my mother’s side of the family served with the Confederacy as part of the heavy artillery battery contingent located at Drewry’s Bluff in 1864 overlooking the James River south of Richmond.
I’ll keep you guys posted on how this progresses as I work to get this important enterprise off the ground. I would also be honored if at some time in the future I could host a gathering of MGTOW at my church and get to meet some of my brother’s face to face. Sorry guys but I can’t help it… I have to say it….. THE SOUTH SHALL RISE AGAIN!
(And chicks in bars)
Look who’s talking, you f~~~ing bass player!(LOL)
I read that there is one state passing a bill to prohibit the removal of historical statues more than 40 years old. I think it’s Georgia. Removing American heritage from schools and American society will just deprive future generations of the opportunity to discuss rationally and intelligently about American history. But then, rationality and intelligence in this country seem to be a thing of the past. Severed head, anyone?"Don't follow in my footsteps...I stepped in something."
I take the preservation of my southern heritage very seriously. So much so that I am going to anti up a large chunk of my retirement savings towards it. A relative on my mother’s side of the family served with the Confederacy as part of the heavy artillery battery contingent located at Drewry’s Bluff in 1864 overlooking the James River south of Richmond.
I had 4 cousins that served in the Palmetto rifle regiment in the Army of Northern Virginia. Two of them died in the cornfield at Antietam, one died at Gettysburg. To date, the city of Greenville has not closed the Confederate museum, or changed the name of Wade Hampton Blvd.
"Don't follow in my footsteps...I stepped in something."

Anonymous6(And chicks in bars)
Look who’s talking, you f~~~ing bass player!(LOL)
I read that there is one state passing a bill to prohibit the removal of historical statues more than 40 years old. I think it’s Georgia. Removing American heritage from schools and American society will just deprive future generations of the opportunity to discuss rationally and intelligently about American history. But then, rationality and intelligence in this country seem to be a thing of the past. Severed head, anyone?That my friend would be my state, good ol Alabama…ROLL TIDE!!!

Anonymous54Dont make me play Rocky Top!
Venom. You are a very intelligent Young Man. You will go far in life.
Thanks for writeing that.We should allways have Statues of great Men.
I admire both Lee and Grant greatly.
They should all be rememberd.
Well exept sherman and…mcullen. Hahah
Man my senior thesis in Undergraduate was about the Civil War. Analyzing Vicksburg and Gettysburg To Determine Which One Was more crucial to ending the war. I’m sick of Lee, Grant, Sherman, Lincoln, Union, Confederates, man that paper was stressful.
But i developed an affinity for the history of that war and everybody involved. I might not agree with what General Lee stood for, but I definitely don’t want his statue taken down. He’s a figure in history, and should be remembered as such.
The South has skeletons in it’s closet. The Confederacy instituted the draft before Lincoln. Southern policy at the time was sovereign right. To own other humans.
The Southern elite demonstrated a world view of ‘might makes right’.
In my observance of the past. The North should have honored secession. Lincoln ordering the bombardment of Fort Sumter. Puts the ‘might makes right’ policy. A part of the federal republic. Represented by Lincoln.
Our American history shouldn’t be cleansed to appease those who shun reality. History should be observed, and heeded so similar mistakes aren’t made.
The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting. --Sun Tsu

Anonymous1SJW are f~~~ing Libtarded. They don’t know history and don’t want to learn. Everyone seems to think that the Civil War was all about slavery. Abraham Lincoln has been elevated to some kind of Saint Hood and the confederate flag is “Hateful.” Actually, I have not studied the Civil War in depth as Venom has, but I have heard enough to refute the SJW nonsense. You can hear from a Civil War Veteran what the south was fighting for (at 8:50). Abraham Lincoln was one of the worst presidents we have ever had. Think about how many Americans died because of his poor diplomacy (620,000). The Civil War could have been avoided if he let the South secede. Lincoln seems like a Communist to me, emphasizing Federal supremacy at all costs at the expense of the states. Karl Marx even wrote him a congratulatory letter, which is why Lincoln is the hero in our socialist school systems.
Karl Marx Letter To Lincoln:
Sir:We congratulate the American people upon your re-election by a large majority. If resistance to the Slave Power was the reserved watchword of your first election, the triumphant war cry of your re-election is Death to Slavery.
From the commencement of the titanic American strife the workingmen of Europe felt instinctively that the star-spangled banner carried the destiny of their class. The contest for the territories which opened the dire epopee, was it not to decide whether the virgin soil of immense tracts should be wedded to the labor of the emigrant or prostituted by the tramp of the slave driver?
When an oligarchy of 300,000 slaveholders dared to inscribe, for the first time in the annals of the world, “slavery” on the banner of Armed Revolt, when on the very spots where hardly a century ago the idea of one great Democratic Republic had first sprung up, whence the first Declaration of the Rights of Man was issued, and the first impulse given to the European revolution of the eighteenth century; when on those very spots counterrevolution, with systematic thoroughness, gloried in rescinding “the ideas entertained at the time of the formation of the old constitution”, and maintained slavery to be “a beneficent institution”, indeed, the old solution of the great problem of “the relation of capital to labor”, and cynically proclaimed property in man “the cornerstone of the new edifice” — then the working classes of Europe understood at once, even before the fanatic partisanship of the upper classes for the Confederate gentry had given its dismal warning, that the slaveholders’ rebellion was to sound the tocsin for a general holy crusade of property against labor, and that for the men of labor, with their hopes for the future, even their past conquests were at stake in that tremendous conflict on the other side of the Atlantic. Everywhere they bore therefore patiently the hardships imposed upon them by the cotton crisis, opposed enthusiastically the proslavery intervention of their betters — and, from most parts of Europe, contributed their quota of blood to the good cause.
While the workingmen, the true political powers of the North, allowed slavery to defile their own republic, while before the Negro, mastered and sold without his concurrence, they boasted it the highest prerogative of the white-skinned laborer to sell himself and choose his own master, they were unable to attain the true freedom of labor, or to support their European brethren in their struggle for emancipation; but this barrier to progress has been swept off by the red sea of civil war.
The workingmen of Europe feel sure that, as the American War of Independence initiated a new era of ascendancy for the middle class, so the American Antislavery War will do for the working classes. They consider it an earnest of the epoch to come that it fell to the lot of Abraham Lincoln, the single-minded son of the working class, to lead his country through the matchless struggle for the rescue of an enchained race and the reconstruction of a social world.
Signed on behalf of the International Workingmen’s Association, the Central Council:

Anonymous54Lincons intention was not to free slaves, but rather to preserve the Union for largely economic reasons.
Not all Southerners were ok with slavery.
There were slave houses up North.
History should not be forgotten, or rewriten, but rather learned from.
The South carries their deafeat with dignety.
Most will agree things turned out they way they should have.
Southerners are a very Proud People.

Anonymous1History should not be forgotten, or rewriten, but rather learned from.
If the socialist system has THEIR way. All history will be censored and re-written and shaped to fit the narrative of so called Feminist Progress. Removing our Confederate history, “cleansing” as they call it, is the first step towards re-writing American history. It’s a typical communist tactic. Look at China and the Cultural Revolution, all traditional history was outlawed and old monuments were smashed and destroyed. Europe, already had most of its monuments demolished in WWI and WWII, then it was ripe for socialism to take over. If America loses its link to the past, it would be a huge victory for the socialist SCUM.

Anonymous54So, old white men had slaves.
Abe had to make his own sandwitches, while Mary and Betsy Ross rounded up some empowered feminist to save them.
“Even before my father’s father, they called all rebels…. burned down our cornfields and left our cities leveled.”
“I can still feel the eye’s of those blue bellied devils..
Walking around in this concrete and metal.”Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers

Anonymous6They already realize that people don’t know the history of this country, taking it down will make sure that they never learn it at all. Which makes my job as a history teacher all the more important. These kids need to know what happened and why it is important to remember.
Those who don’t know history, will always repeat it.
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