Why Christians Love Jews…

[AncientwisdomParticipant 6089]

Grumpy wrote:

I believe it is a matter of finding offense

Agreed and that’s a major problem in todays society.

If someone becomes offended, the other person is automatically put on the defense.

Resident cynic.

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

Ancientwisdom wrote:

The New Testament is, by and large, not written by Jewish authors.

Read: people who believed them.

The argument hinges entirely on one’s personal belief

Then it’s not an argument.

It’s merely a specious opinion that runs contrary to observed historical and archaeological realities but which has been used to justify and condone some rather heinous deeds and behaviors by people holding it and holding against it.

The jews claim to be a “special people unto God”, but even if their own (often provably false) version of history is to be believed, the Egyptians, Assyrians, Babylonians, Romans, Byzantines, Rashidans, Franks, Mamluks, Ottomans, Cossacks, Germans and so on and on have proven that pretty much not to be the case. Which is not surprising. Not that I’m condoning the actions of any of the above groups. I’m merely pointing out the historical fact that any group with delusions of being “God’s chosen people” are highly unlikely to get along with their neighbors.

And that’s ignoring the philosophical quandary that any god which chooses a people to be “special” merely based on chance bloodlines etc. would be an inherently unjust god.

tl;dr: By asserting the existence of a “chosen people”, which is an inherently racist concept, you are claiming the Almighty is a racist bastard. Are you sure you want to be doing that?

[AncientwisdomParticipant 6089]

sidecar wrote:

By asserting the existence of a “chosen people”, which is an inherently racist concept, you are claiming the Almighty is a racist bastard

I am not claiming that. The bible claims that. If you don’t believe the bible is the inspired word of God, then don’t. I’m simply quoting scripture and what has been read and taught by those believing in it, for thousands of years.

Read the apostle Pauls quotes to the Romans that I posted earlier in the thread. That is what he claimed. These are the doctrines that have been preached by those who believe in the bible for thousands of years, so it’s not a matter of me, personally, making any claims. Those are the traditional claims of the gospel.

I’m not here to try and persuade you to believe them, but I’m clarifying that it’s not a personal claim I’m making. The church has made it. If you don’t believe it, that’s fine with me. But that’s a huge distinction.

sidecar wrote:

Then it’s not an argument

An argument is a set of statements such that the premises (evidence) leads to the conclusion.

Example:

The bible teaches that Israel was the chosen nation of God.

If one believes the bible is God’s word, then Israel was the chosen nation of God.

^ That’s a logical argument. Whether you believe it to be sound (true by virtue of the substance of the statements) is another question altogether; but it’s still a logical argument.

Resident cynic.

[AncientwisdomParticipant 6089]

Also, the gospel doesn’t claim that salvation is only given to the Jews. As is evidenced in the apostle Pauls writing to the Romans below:

a partial hardening has come upon Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in.

Resident cynic.

[Colin Combover in a ComaParticipant 5066]

Read the Talmud and what it says about non Jews and Jesus.

[Anonymous 1]

Colin Combover in a Coma wrote:

Read the Talmud and what it says about non Jews and Jesus.

I read that years ago. I would also recommend the Zohar. The Old Testament is an incomplete version of the original Hebrew Scriptures. It has been edited and censored by various revisions.

The correct interpretation of the Tetragrammaton was a mind blowing revelation, for me. I read a great version of the Zohar. The Rabbi had the original text on one page, and the detailed foot notes on the other page. Complete with interpretations of every statement, line by line. None of the Christian preachers, or priests I grew up with know this stuff. Only the Rabbis know it.

[Colin Combover in a ComaParticipant 5066]

Anonymous wrote:

Colin Combover in a Coma wrote:

Read the Talmud and what it says about non Jews and Jesus.

I read that years ago. I would also recommend the Zohar. The Old Testament is an incomplete version of the original Hebrew Scriptures. It has been edited and censored by various revisions.

The correct interpretation of the Tetragrammaton was a mind blowing revelation, for me. I read a great version of the Zohar. The Rabbi had the original text on one page, and the detailed foot notes on the other page. Complete with interpretations of every statement, line by line. None of the Christian preachers, or priests I grew up with know this stuff. Only the Rabbis know it.

Thanks for the advocacy, I will read that. Have you read the Koran?

[Anonymous 14]

Anonymous wrote:

International fellowship of Christians and Jews keeps sending letters asking for donations with a free postage stamp!

I outjew the Jews by taking the stamp and using on my bills and throwing the rest away!

LOL, give this man a cigar!

[Anonymous 1]

Colin Combover in a Coma wrote:

Thanks for the advocacy, I will read that. Have you read the Koran?

No, I have not read the Koran. I might one day, but I was so inundated with Muslim culture in Dearborn, MI that I really never wanted to read it.

I’m actually more into Norse mythology at this point in my life. The Bible, Talmud, Koran are all stories about the Middle East. I’m a little burned out on Middle Eastern culture and traditions. That’s why I’m getting back into Norse culture.

[Anonymous 1]

Anonymous wrote:

LOL, give this man a cigar!

+1 and done

[NerevarParticipant 8040]

F~~~ jews.

"One of the best things internet exposed is just how insane women are." - Freeman_K

[Branched offParticipant 10929]

“The Christians” are a very wide group. There are many Christian races. The average Palestinian Christian will likely have a very different view from the average US Christian.

One needs also to consider the theological view of which a group of Christians takes of the Jews and the secular political view which that group holds. These often differ.

The secular view in this current age generally holds more weight to an individual Christian’s behaviour than his theology does. Today anti Semitism is very taboo on a secular level. Even if a church is not keen on the people who crucified their lord, the individual is very unlikely to look further than “forgive them for they know not what they do”

For the above reasons, I feel it is very hard to make generalisations that are worth anything.

Its a can of worms guys.

A woman is like fire -fun to play with, can warm you through and cook your food, needs constant feeding, can burn you and consume all you own

[Joey AlfioParticipant]

Ancientwisdom wrote:

Because they are God’s chosen people.

If this is your definition of the chosen ones then f~~~ your god.

Δεν υπάρχει τίποτε αδύνατο γι’ αυτόν που θα προσπαθήσει. - Μέγας Αλέξανδρος

[AncientwisdomParticipant 6089]

Branched off wrote:

For the above reasons, I feel it is very hard to make generalisations that are worth anything.

If you can’t come to a conclusion, then there’s nothing (for me) to comment on.

Branched off wrote:

“The Christians” are a very wide group.

Christians are people who believe that God sent His only begotten Son, in the form of the flesh, as a form of sacrifice for mankind sins; and who accept his sacrifice for their salvation.

Branched off wrote:

The average Palestinian Christian will likely have a very different view from the average US Christian.

Hot air.

Branched off wrote:

For the above reasons, I feel it is very hard to make generalisations that are worth anything.

More hot air.

I quoted scriptures to substantiate my claims. Because I believe them.

Either you believe in those scriptures, you have a different interpretation of those scriptures (if so, then give them) OR you don’t believe them at all.

Everything else is camouflage, usually used to hide behind a relativistic perception of ‘god’ & ‘morality’.

Get out in front, and say what you mean, or don’t say anything at all.

Total camouflage.

Resident cynic.

[AncientwisdomParticipant 6089]

Joey Alfio wrote:

If this is your definition of the chosen ones then f~~~ your god.

Not my definition at all.

If you were actually interested in my thoughts & the subject, you would have read the scriptures I posted. Such as the apostle Paul discussing how the nation of Israel, and the Gentiles are grafted into salvation.

You aren’t – AND – you didn’t.

You came here to give a big F~~~ YOU to God and anyone who believes in Him.

Sounds like a personal problem.

Resident cynic.

[Colin Combover in a ComaParticipant 5066]

Ancientwisdom wrote:

Joey Alfio wrote:

If this is your definition of the chosen ones then f~~~ your god.

Not my definition at all.

If you were actually interested in my thoughts & the subject, you would have read the scriptures I posted. Such as the apostle Paul discussing how the nation of Israel, and the Gentiles are grafted into salvation.

You aren’t – AND – you didn’t.

You came here to give a big F~~~ YOU to God and anyone who believes in Him.

Sounds like a personal problem.

Do you believe in the Old Testament, or only the Pauline doctrine?

[Colin Combover in a ComaParticipant 5066]

Anonymous wrote:

Colin Combover in a Coma wrote:

Thanks for the advocacy, I will read that. Have you read the Koran?

No, I have not read the Koran. I might one day, but I was so inundated with Muslim culture in Dearborn, MI that I really never wanted to read it.

I’m actually more into Norse mythology at this point in my life. The Bible, Talmud, Koran are all stories about the Middle East. I’m a little burned out on Middle Eastern culture and traditions. That’s why I’m getting back into Norse culture.

That is a shame, as being April fools day, this would been a perfect time to read such a juvenile piece of work.

[Joey AlfioParticipant]

Ancientwisdom wrote:

Not my definition at all.

If you were actually interested in my thoughts & the subject, you would have read the scriptures I posted. Such as the apostle Paul discussing how the nation of Israel, and the Gentiles are grafted into salvation.

You aren’t – AND – you didn’t.

You came here to give a big F~~~ YOU to God and anyone who believes in Him.

Sounds like a personal problem.

So you’re going to now bring up fairy tales to validate your point when the reality of the matter is far different than you preach?

Do you have any proof that Jesus even existed other then what was written in your scripture/holy book?

Δεν υπάρχει τίποτε αδύνατο γι’ αυτόν που θα προσπαθήσει. - Μέγας Αλέξανδρος

[AncientwisdomParticipant 6089]

Joey Alfio wrote:

So you’re going to now bring up fairy tales to validate your point when the reality of the matter is far different than you preach?

You don’t believe in the scriptures, and I take it in God in general.

Fine with me. You’re entitled to your belief.

Joey Alfio wrote:

Do you have any proof that Jesus even existed

No.

All of history was divided by his birth and death BC/AD; but your right – just a bunch of fairy tales I read in books I found in my basement.

Probably me and my neighbors made it up. He didn’t even EXIST. Not sure how we fooled everyone 2,000 years ago to divide time based on His life.

Non existent. That’s a cute theory you have there.

Resident cynic.

[Colin Combover in a ComaParticipant 5066]

Joey Alfio wrote:

Ancientwisdom wrote:

Not my definition at all.

If you were actually interested in my thoughts & the subject, you would have read the scriptures I posted. Such as the apostle Paul discussing how the nation of Israel, and the Gentiles are grafted into salvation.

You aren’t – AND – you didn’t.

You came here to give a big F~~~ YOU to God and anyone who believes in Him.

Sounds like a personal problem.

So you’re going to now bring up fairy tales to validate your point when the reality of the matter is far different than you preach?

Do you have any proof that Jesus even existed other then what was written in your scripture/holy book?

Virtually all biblical scholars agree that Jesus was a real man. The whole issue, is was Jesus the son of God or the son of Pantera.

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