Why Are U.S. Marriage Rates Going Down?

[AutoliteParticipant]

Beer wrote:

You can point out the 90% of the divorced older guys and be like look, they’re all awesome guys who are divorced, do you think you can end up that way? Answer every time, “No,” usually followed by something stupid like “You just have to choose carefully.”

Exactly!

Or like the guy who’s been married five times but won’t hesitate to give other guys marriage advice. I just can’t seem to wrap my head around how these guys think…

[Won'tGetFooledAgainParticipant 3293]

Beer wrote:

Autolite wrote:

I’ve said this before but in many cases it’s an ego thing. Often guys will think that they’re better and smarter than the ‘other guy’. Even when reality proves them wrong, their own ego will prevent them from acknowledging that they were wrong…

Definitely…accompanied by them thinking their cupcake is special. A huge majority of the older guys I work with have a divorce under their belt. A few of the younger ones are married/engaged. You can point out the 90% of the divorced older guys and be like look, they’re all awesome guys who are divorced, do you think you can end up that way? Answer every time, “No,” usually followed by something stupid like “You just have to choose carefully.” Meanwhile…they are marrying some stupid slut near or already post wall with baby rabies and a bunch of debt and don’t realize choosing carefully these days is choosing to not marry at all.

Absolutely, and these will be the blue pill men who got very little pussy during their 20s and early 30s. They don’t know about Alpha F~~~s, Beta Bucks and have no idea that their little cupcake rode the carousel hard for 15 years and has a c~~~ figure into three figures. She had a 15 year party giving porn star sex to Alphas for free and he gets the privilege of picking up the tab and paying full retail for her used up pussy.

All the time he stayed home on a Saturday night masturbating and wishing he had a girlfriend, she was out sucking off some barman with sleeve tattoos that she had met an hour earlier. Even if he has a suspicion about her past she will counter with “I had to date those guys to realise what I really wanted”. Clearly what she really wants right now is to secure a house, money and resources before her looks abandon her forever.

Once the kids come along and sex (access to the vagina to snare him, not the porn star sex she gave to Alphas) is a long distant memory these are the guys that quote “Happy wife, happy life”. He will go to the plantation every day to pay for the house, SUV and her shopping addiction before she inevitably tells him “I am not happy”.

The usual “I love you, I’m just not in love with you”, “I need space” etc. conversation before he is forced to move out of the house and into his parent’s as she rides the carousel one last time before her SMV fades forever.

Women divorce decent, hard working, great fathers every day while trying to convince everyone their husbands are losers. All of this misery and breaking up of families just because she can’t resist the tingles and excitement of being f~~~ed hard by some guy who doesn’t give a s~~~ about her and is f~~~ing three other women.

After all, she deserves to be happy.

For women, everything eventually boils down to Alpha Fucks, Beta Bucks.

[Gravel PitParticipant]

Won'tGetFooledAgain wrote:

Clearly what she really wants right now is to secure a house, money and resources before her looks abandon her forever.

Im starting to notice the abundance of Religious/Spiritual Women who employ that specific motif (being religious) as a sort of reenforcement of her being “genuine.” For example: post divorced women over 50 remarrying rich dudes. They use the guise of being righteous/spiritually pure, as sort of, a renewed Sexual Marketplace Value because their actual SMV is a long gone. What better way to erase her totally unethical track record?

I have seen this strategy work. Women are naturally drawn to religion, and indeed they’ve even found a way to exploit it too!
And I see Blue Pill religious dudes, and also Men in AA, fall for this ACT all the time. Freaking well established 40 year old men with assets, getting seduced by alcoholic single moms! “Oh but thats all behind her donchaknow? She’s been sober for 6 months.”

[MonkParticipant 17047]

Gravel Pit wrote:

They use the guise of being righteous/spiritually pure, as sort of, a renewed Sexual Marketplace Value because their actual SMV is a long gone. What better way to erase her totally unethical track record?

I have also noticed this. It’s most common amongst boomer women who burned the carousel and now urgently need a retirement plan.

Women are naturally drawn to religion…

Religion as opposed to philosophy. Women don’t do philosophy – it’s too logical – but they are drawn to ‘religion’ as that’s mainly about feelz.

[BeerParticipant 11832]

Gravel Pit wrote:

“Oh but thats all behind her donchaknow? She’s been sober for 6 months.”

Gotta love those idiots. Don’t look at the 15-20 year track record they have….just look at the last 6 months lol. Lot’s of idiots think that way though.

[Secret Agent MGTOWParticipant 22546]

Twist wrote:

Secret Agent MGTOW wrote:

I’m not familiar with the air force issue you bring up, can you point me to anything that refers to this for my own reading?

Link
Air Force warns about nationwide threat of ‘involuntary celibates’

Not all single men are incels. No mgtow is an incel. If they arent having sex anymore its because they decided its not worth it.

Women want everything, but want responsibility and accountability for nothing.

[FrankOneParticipant 1435]

Rates are going down because there are not as many ‘marriageable men’. Men are not deemed marriageable unless they earn as much or more than women.

There are plenty of marriages where he earns 55% of family income, and she earns 45%. Very few where the wife earns 65% and the man earns 35%. Indeed, researchers call this the ‘cliff’ in the relative earnings in married couples.

https://faculty.chicagobooth.edu/emir.kamenica/documents/identity.pdf

So this is due to gender identity norms. Women want providers, and men don’t women that dominate them economically. But how much of the contribution is evolved or innate, and how much is socialization? The paper blames it all on socialization.

Another reason is many men and women do not want monogamy. Nor do they want to have to answer to anyone on what to do, when to do it, how much money to spend and save, etc.

In my case, I have nothing against monogamy; indeed, I prefer it — less chance of disease, and you and your partner get to know each other and learn how to please each other.

I’m late 40’s. No kids. No debt, own house and multiple other properties outright. Full time employed. For me, the risk of marriage is quite high; there are plenty of women to date, but few in a financial position similar to mine.

For me, monogamous relationship makes sense, without cohabitation or marriage.

As for TYT, it’s progressive brainwashing in my opinion.

Let’s do a survey. How many men have been married, or even dated, a woman that earned, say, 50% more than them? I have dated one only, in my lifetime. Most earned 50-75% less than me. Is that typical of other posters here?

[Gravel PitParticipant]

I couldnt help but be reminded today, about how Dating Apps are absolutely antithesis to the survival of this species.

How freaking dumb are we? What woman would ever carry on an authentic relationship or marriage while those exist?

Its like locking Over Eaters inside a grocery store and expecting them not to eat themselves to death.

[Gravel PitParticipant]

Secret Agent MGTOW wrote:

Not all single men are incels.

There are no incels, its a fvcking joke.
According to their own definition of the word, All men are incels except rapists. That how logical the concept is.

Answer me this. What happens to animals that are Zooed? They get domesticated, fat, unhealthy and lose their natural drives. If released back to the wild, they DIE. That is precisely whats happened to women during the last 80 years.

You cant give women free dick (dating apps) or else they NEVER court regular men again. You cant give women the cash, prizes, welfare and jobs or else they never court regular men again. You cant give women miraculous modern medical cheats like The Pill or Abortion or else why the heck would they choose to get prego beyond the paycheck enforced by State thugs? You cant give women No Fault divorce or why the hell would they stay faithful to one man whilst an entire amusement park full of carousel ponies exists?

Tyranusaurus Rex doesnt want to be fed, it wants to HUNT. We’ve eliminated ALL of women’s prerogatives to hunt, therefore, theyve stopped completely, have gotten sick, and are now totally irretrievable and decrepid.

[FrankOneParticipant 1435]

I think the term ‘incel’ is ridiculous. Are people involuntarily poor or homeless? For the most part, one can improve their condition to make themselves more attractive to the opposite sex.

Some people are socially awkward, marginalized (no friends, hobbies, or skills — they’re BORING), are obese, have poor personal hygiene, and many people have mental illness or drug addictions. So that limits their ability to attract a mate. But even those people can pay for sex or masturbate, so I regard the term as ridiculous.

I would argue that the EASE of having sex and replacing a partner, contributes significantly to divorce rates being high and marriage rates being low. Which do you think more likely to succeed? A marriage where both the man and wife are virgins, or one in which both have had a dozen sexual partners? And of course, the imbalance in family law, also contributes greatly to high frivorce rates — if the default was 50/50 custody, no alimony or child support, it would change the outcomes quite a bit. Most men ARE still simps who will wife up; but a minority have looked at the numbers. Many men are finished with marriage after their first divorce.

Most women want children, and almost all of them, want high-value men. Why do you think the first question posed on your job interview for partner (sometimes called a ‘date’) is ‘Whatdoyoudoforaliving?’

Men are regarded as success objects; but this objectification is acceptable to society.

There are fewer high-value men available in proportion to women. Just as men want attractive women, women want a high earner.

[Knights Templar RisingParticipant 5118]

Why? Because marriage is a bad investment for men. Let’s think of it on a 14 year old boys’ perspective. Would you buy a bicycle, that no matter how much money and work you put into it, could up and leave without any refund? Would you buy a bicycle, that could turn around and use the legal system to take every penny you have? Would you buy a bicycle that on a whim could use tradcuck cops to put you in jail? No, even a 14yo boy would eventually decide not to make such a terrible investment of money, time, and energy.

Sovereignty above all else.

[BeerParticipant 11832]

FrankOne wrote:

Some people are socially awkward, marginalized (no friends, hobbies, or skills — they’re BORING), are obese, have poor personal hygiene, and many people have mental illness or drug addictions. So that limits their ability to attract a mate. But even those people can pay for sex or masturbate, so I regard the term as ridiculous.

Even those people can have sex by lowering their standards enough. There are plenty of absolutely vile, disgusting post wallers who will f~~~ anything that will give them a little attention.

[Buller100Participant 2189]

Its been said before , how can a man even consider marriage … utter madness

[narwhalParticipant]

Two other points I haven’t seen brought up yet…

Media, much of what we believe about relationships is a reflection of the media we absorb, and the media rarely puts marriage in a positive light. The media says marriage is nothing but a trap for women. A husband is either a moron that’s just another kid you have to take care of, or he’s an overbearing control freak. Either way, you’re trapped, unable from being free to be that person you believe you are. For the man, you’re either that boob/control freak you don’t want to be, or your with a woman who doesn’t appreciate you at all. The kids perspective is also bad. Media always depicts kids of married parents as being overprotected and weak, or perhaps the rich bully. It’s the kid from one parent who is always the victim, always misunderstood, who’s special and the hero of the story. It’s always the same, no matter who you are, you’re better off being part of a single than married relationship.

The other factor worth mentioning is the rise of the service industry. It used to be that a household required a lot of work to maintain, from both men and women and often the kids as well. Getting groceries, cooking, cleaning, etc took time. Taking care of the lawn, performing repairs on the house and cars took time. This is no longer the case as all of these can be outsourced. You can even get loans for home and car much easier than you could before, and certainly as a single female. You can even outsource care of your kids much easier than you ever could before.

There really isn’t anything you can get from marriage that can’t be done through other means. Not even sex and companionship since that is readily accepted outside of marriage. The one thing marriage can do for women that can’t be done elsewhere is secure a source of income . For men, it’s an involuntary donation.

Ok. Then do it.

[Branched offParticipant 10975]

There is no good reason for a man to marry in 99% of cases. I suppose a handsome but poor chad who lands an heiress who is mad enough to fall in love with him would be well advised to marry but how often does that happen?

I have only ever once had a relationship with a woman who earned more than me. I did not marry her because I had already learned my lesson when it came to marriage. We had three children but from the time she gave birth to the first, she never earned a penny again.

Women do not want to support their men. What would be the point of having a man and you feeding him? Huh!

A woman is like fire -fun to play with, can warm you through and cook your food, needs constant feeding, can burn you and consume all you own

[SpiderHerderParticipant 3791]

I remember someone posting a clip from a TV series or film. It was set in 1800-something and the guy was saying: “Smart men don’t marry.”

They indeed don’t. hehe

No offense to those on here who married in the past.

[OgreParticipant 5863]

27 years later, I shouldn’t have. Lurkers, heed my warning.

I failed to realize in my youth that I was the prize. I was going to work. I was going to earn. Little did I realize that due to feminism, that no longer meant I had to share. Road soon, Desert after.

[Gravel PitParticipant]

Ogre wrote:

27 years later, I shouldn’t have. Lurkers, heed my warning.

I only wish there were lurkers. The site is stuck. It shows comments up until May 21st. So unless you can log in, no one has seen our comments in over 6 weeks.

Pretty much the end of it all in my view. Im here to spread awareness and explain mgtow stuff for other mens benefit. That goal is nullified by a site that isnt even live or navigable to outsiders. The only reason I still come here is to check on the people I like here and here their experience which helps me.

Where the f~~~ is Key Master?

[FunInTheSunParticipant 8284]

bstoff wrote:

Why are you watching TYT?

I like politics, and Ana has a nice pair of t~~~.

"I saw that there comes a point, in the defeat of any man of virtue, when his own consent is needed for evil to win-and that no manner of injury done to him by others can succeed if he chooses to withhold his consent. I saw that I could put an end to your outrages by pronouncing a single word in my mind. I pronounced it. The word was ‘No.’" (Atlas Shrugged)

[FunInTheSunParticipant 8284]

Secret Agent MGTOW wrote:

You think the jewelry chain and bridal chain store people are wringing their hands?

They could start marketing jewelry for divorcees. I’m pretty sure millions of women would waste $200 on an “alimony ring” and celebrate being single moms.

"I saw that there comes a point, in the defeat of any man of virtue, when his own consent is needed for evil to win-and that no manner of injury done to him by others can succeed if he chooses to withhold his consent. I saw that I could put an end to your outrages by pronouncing a single word in my mind. I pronounced it. The word was ‘No.’" (Atlas Shrugged)

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