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If that’s the case I now have credibility for being successful at everything I do around here.
Except you haven’t answered my first question.
So you don’t have any credibility.We extended you credibility before you even posted once.
Don’t make us regret it.If you were as observant around women perhaps this Forum would not even exist?
MGTOW is far bigger than any online forum, and it’s far bigger than you.
We’re also more observant than you because we provide actual & factual direct references to documentation , videos, audios and testimony. This elevates the credibility of MGTOW to a level you can’t even begin to compete with. Your/my/our personal experience is not a reliable indicator of anything when too many resources are available to elevate it to more than just a personal opinion.
We even provide the forum(s)
You provide NOTHING.…. except posturing and pretending.
So happy I found this place.
Yeah we get that alot. Now you can get to the back of the line and wait.
If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.
Anonymous3I had one female friend who would be a good example. She was a doctor and her hubby was a news cameraman. He decided he wanted a break from work and became a “house husband” doing all the chores, grocery shopping, etc. Well, this dragged on for years and years. Both of them were struggling with alcoholism. Bad. They just loved drinking. Some half-hearted efforts to quit, some trips to rehab, tons of drama.
In the course of twenty years of this drama the guy became very abusive to my friend. Verbally. I don’t think he was hitting her. The abuse was literally continual. But guess what? She COULD NOT GET RID OF HIM without the bum getting half of everything she earned her whole life as a doctor AND alimony for the rest of their lives. Her husband did the bare minimum around the house and spent the rest of his time trashing her verbally.
Finally, just this year, she killed herself.
And you know this from your friend, the woman? Or did you witness independently the abuse and the minimal effort the guy made at home? Because I learned to tell when a woman is lying, and that is when her mouth is moving…
And it is interesting to ear this story reversing the sexes. Because that is the USUAL MALE STORY and a VERY UNUSUAL FEMALE STORY, and I dont see you very worried with men…
This time the woman made the money, so now the “bum” getting half and alimony is TERRIBLE!
When the “bum” is the women, and the guy loses its very home and lands on the street, that is OK, because its a man…
You know, you are proving to be very helpful in this forum, as you constantly prove our points while trying to oppose them.
First you said that men have to change. Then its because they are not men enough NOT to change. Then its a question of selecting carefully, and we could find the NAWALT in a 1 in 200 probability rate.
At last you confess that relationships kill people, and that people get abused on relationships. But you supply a female example, like there is some equality on it. THERE IS NOT!
70% of divorces are initiated by females. Most marriages the female is the one at home like a “bum”. Most marriages end at the moment the man loses its job, sometimes if he gets sick. Only 10% of fathers gets to keep their kids. And the majority of suicides is male.
These are facts. These facts point to a gynocentric society where men are disposable and women above reproach. Your arguments are only weak attempts to keep men in a failed rat race.
Then perhaps you should go to a “happily married’ forum where you can live your your delusions.
I just googled it, and IT EXISTS !
I’m reading it right now, and believe me, it is a strong red pill dose ! Basically it a forum where women post about how to get away when her man want sex, and for desperate men to ask how to get her wife to have sex with them.Some links to illustrate !!
How do I get my wife to wear sexy lingerie?
Wife does not want to be married anymore…
My wife is having an emotional affair. Will your program work for me?
Need a suitable synonym for “accuse”
Guys, I have to stop reading that forum because I started to laugh so loud, that people started to look at me ! Yes, those topics are what HAPPY MARRIED PEOPLE TALK ABOUT. My conclusion ? A bunch of sexless marriages that people just pretend that they were happy so they are better accepted in the society.
I just googled it, and IT EXISTS !
And there you go.
Joey Brooks is a f~~~ing fool. You have to wonder who he’s trying to convince? OTHER PEOPLE? Or himSELF.
when a REAL LIVE WOMAN is right in front of them they can’t see s~~~. Isn’t that the focus of this place? You got FOOLED in love?
Based on the actual testimony and findings in a “happily married” forum….. that more-accurately describes what went on at your wedding.
Moron.
If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.A friendly reminder that NAWALT is not an argument; it is a deflection that has been developed over time as a way to absolve women of responsibility.
First you said that men have to change. Then its because they are not men enough NOT to change. Then its a question of selecting carefully, and we could find the NAWALT in a 1 in 200 probability rate.
Good point brother !!
We have some serious problems, or you change, or it’s over
Change ? How ?
Just do what I exactly say, when I say to, in the way I want to, and we will be fine.This is what change means for women. Women don’t see what is better for men as a good change, they see what is better for themselves.
For example, if you workout and diet, THEY WILL TRY TO F~~~ YOUR ROUTINE AS MUCH AS THEY CAN, women just can’t see a ripped guy, why ? BECAUSE THEY ARE ALL CORN FED LAND WHALES ! They can’t stand that they have a boyfriend with more “power” than them in a relationship. They try to enslave and make men weaker, so they can control them. They must feel that when you broke up with her, the one who loses something is you, not her !
I already have to listen that I have to change, and this change would be left the gym, see, someone asking me to do something that would be BAD for me, as “change”. To me that was enough proof that AWALT, and they only are stones in the way of any men.
Men should change, obviously, in the way HE WANTS, to become what HE WANTS. For a c~~~, I won’t even wash my b~~~~ before she sucks it !
Funny how some of the Forum users, none of whom have ever met me, can tell I am a Tuna from the little information I have put out here, yet when a REAL LIVE WOMAN is right in front of them they can’t see s~~~. Isn’t that the focus of this place? You got FOOLED in love? Yet you know all sorts of stuff about some random dude after a few dozen posts on the Internet. Hilarious. So happy I found this place.
If you were as observant around women perhaps this Forum would not even exist?
Steel sharpens steel
Not all. Just the ones who haven’t given up.
Your initial premise is where you lost me. Why exactly is getting married, spending quality years with a woman, maybe getting her approval…a goal for young (or older) men to strive for? ‘Give up’? Why are you assuming that we secretly want what you have?
You found your unicorn, you found your happy married life. You built up your abs of steel, did the escort thing, learned how to be alpha. Good for you. I’m not interested in that.
And it’s not to say that women don’t have their good qualities or that unicorn’s don’t exist. It’s just that the juice isn’t worth the squeeze. You may be the exception, but you don’t disqualify the rule. We aren’t all going to be Tom Brady…and we shouldn’t have to be.
Ok. Then do it.
Well Joey
I am happy you found the love of your life and that she’s absolutely perfect for you and a veritable unicorn. That is awesome. There is just a niggly little voice in the back of my head that is just screaming BULLS~~~
Now lets get down to business here.
You are only 1 of over 20,000 men on this website alone with a “positive” ongoing experience, so your situation/experience is actually an anomaly by comparison. I’ve read your posts and a have noticed a pattern of laying the blame directly and indirectly on the shoulders of all other men, yet giving women the “benefit of the doubt” and minimizing their culpability.
Now just using this particular set of numbers for one site only 1/20,000 and expanding it a little you are proving the validity of MGTOW (not just on this site, but world wide), as the raw numbers reinforce the information.
1/20,000
5/100,000
50/1,000,000
500/1,000,000,000
4000/8,000,000,000
Now we can obviously see that those numbers are incorrect, or are they?
Only 4000 “successful” marriages out of 8 billion people? impossible right?
Now if we factor in the popular mainstream statistic that women are 52% of the world population, that means a sum of 3.84 Billion men alone.
Now we should remove what ever number of gay men, men who have never married, never been in a relationship, and under aged men (boys), and we’d come up with less than 2 Billion men to work with. If we do the same for the women, we would have roughly 4+ Billion women to work with for this exercise.
Lets break it down a little further to a more workable number shall we?
That means 1M/2F, so far that looks like good odds for the men 2 women each with at least a 50% success rate.Just in my personal experience alone I have already met, married, and divorced my allocated 2 women as well as screwed at least 7 men out of their allocated 2 for a short time.
That my friend is a 100% failure rate of a minimum of 16 “relationships”. Obviously based on my inability to make sound choices as alluded to in your expressed opinions.
“Making bad choices” in selecting women as you so flippantly put it, cannot be avoided when one is supplied bad/incorrect information. So is it my fault as a man that I didn’t recognize the data supplied was faulty and made a decision based on the available data?NAWALT/AWALT may not be 100% correct by definition, however EWALT (Enough Women Are Like That) to justify not gambling with oneself in a loosing proposition due to false/misleading data/information supplied by her. The legalities, numbers, and eventual bad effects out weigh the purported benefits IMHO.
Again I am glad that you found your unicorn, however because I’m cynical, I would just advise you to lube up because when she turns that horn on you it’s going to be painful, unless one of you die before that happens.
There was a time in my life when I gave a fuck. Now you have to pay ME for it
Anonymous1I think making our boy Joey a spectator may have been redundant. The computer is out of bounds by the time princess gets home and he sure as s~~~ better have remembered to clear that internet history. He can sweat over that during dinner.
Hey Joey what’s cooking?…… Not the strong, independent Mrs, I’d imagine.
a “positive” ongoing experience, so your situation/experience is actually an anomaly
The “happily married” man is also the loneliest, but more importantly, he’s not even aware that he’s not really as “happily married” as he pretends to be. Here it is explained – even using LESBIAN relationships – that a “relationship” is a business and a bottom line, and the “happily married” man is living a lie…. when he realizes that women across the world will leave as soon as they have the means to do so.
I am glad that you found your unicorn
He didn’t.
If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.
Anonymous3I just googled it, and IT EXISTS !
I’m reading it right now, and believe me, it is a strong red pill dose ! Basically it a forum where women post about how to get away when her man want sex, and for desperate men to ask how to get her wife to have sex with them.Solid, if God is not laughing at us right now, I dont know a better time for it!
For several years I was a member of THAT SITE!
And it does has a lot of value, and it does teach you a lot of things. It has a religious/ traditional approach to marriage, with a lot of “old school” teachings. Its just for the Joey Brooks wannabes.
There was one member that has remained in my memory. He was there long enough to absorb all the knowledge and finally concluded that women where f~~~ing nuts, and did not deserve all that trouble.
At the time, I was very dedicated into making my marriage work, and I remember thinking he was a weak man, unable to do all the efforts necessary. But strangely the memory of that guy stayed with me, probably because it was actually the only thing that made sense.
Inevitably I ended up with at same conclusion, just a few years afterwards.
And the majority of suicides is male.
Good point, I know several c~~~s who “tried” suicide, you what that means ? They desperately forget that they tried suicide, JUST TO GET ATTENTION.
Tell me, I never know any men who survived when tried suicide, why I know so many c~~~s that tried ? Because men are so competent and women can’t do it ? Or simply because those c~~~s didn’t want to end their lives, they just want attention, just want people to feel sorry for their miserable lives and their bad choices in life ?
Brother @peaceful-warrior, you are a number guy like me, so let’s put some numbers and do some calculations !
In america in 2014 we have 41k suicides vs 16k homicides (Source).
Suicide is the 10th cause of death in US ! And for every suicide there is 25 attempts, and men die by suicide 3.5x times more often than women (Source).
One quote from wikipedia (Source)
Although females attempt suicide at a higher rate
Now let’s analyze the numbers !
For every 7 men who died by suicide, 2 women died. That means 9 suicides, which results in 225 attempts ! Using logic we can deduce that at least 113 of those attempts were made by women. I don’t have the factual data, so let’s choose the best scenario for c~~~s in the example.
For that numbers, we have 16 attempts for each successful male suicide, against 56 attempts ! Which represents the INVERSE of the 3.5x rate, women TRIES in the best scenario for them (3.5x times more) far far more than men to suicide, why they fail so much ? Because they don’t want to end their lives !
If you look closely, the 3.5x more attempts is not accurate, a real number would be something near 10 for what I hear. I’m not saying that depression isn’t a serious illness, or nothing like that, but that some c~~~s just pretend to try suicide, to draw attention to them, to make people feel sorry for them, and to make others feel guilty for what ever they done, like dumping her.
It costs 44 billions EACH YEAR, but let’s reflect about that, how much a corpse in the ground costs VS a c~~~ who tried suicide and failed, so she needs medical attention ? It’s tax payers money, it’s money that could save a kid from cancer, give it a future, it’s enough money to pay a lot of things, including other bills so you won’t have to pay so much taxes !
Comparing to breast cancer, who kills 21/100,000 women per year, suicide kill 19.4/100,000 males per year. Scary isn’t ? So many campaigns about breast cancer, and nobody gives a s~~~ about suicide…
And I’m considering ONLY America, Guyana for example, there is 70 male suicides per 100,000, more than 3 times breast cancer deaths in America !
Only one more number that I forgot ! Per year, 31k males die by suicide IT’S TWICE THE NUMBER OF HOMICIDE !
This is good stuff. A perfect pre international MGTOW Day thread. Just think guys. If you play your cards right you too can have what Joey does!
A 50 year old woman who’s dated “s~~~ loads of men!” Not to mention she was so excited about matrimony she told him she wouldn’t say no if he asked. How f~~~ing fabulous!
Say no to Tuna. Eat Salmon, the other pink meat.
This is good stuff. A perfect pre international MGTOW Day thread. Just think guys. If you play your cards right you too can have what Joey does!
A 50 year old woman who’s dated “s~~~ loads of men!” Not to mention she was so excited about matrimony she told him she wouldn’t say no if he asked. How f~~~ing fabulous!
Say no to Tuna. Eat Salmon, the other pink meat.
If the guy is a bit descent to a 50yo be interested in him, a 20yo will be too, because women’s standard DONT DROP as they past the wall, so even if he wants to f~~~ something, at least f~~~ something that haven’t seen more dicks than a retired urologist !
Salmon, a good source of omega 3, and a better heart health ! All kinds of tuna just belong to cats !
And yes, this thread is the typical MGTOW epic thread !
Joey Brooks came in here thinking she was a slick c~~~, she’s not. That c~~~ s~~~ doesn’t work in here.
this
"It seems like there's times a body gets struck down so low, there ain't a power on earth that can ever bring him up again. Seems like something inside dies so he don't even want to get up again. But he does."
Anonymous0In the course of twenty years of this drama the guy became very abusive to my friend. Verbally.
We’ve already covered verbal abuse here. It is NOT abuse. Ask Erin Pizzey, who quite literally wrote the 1st book on domestic violence and founded the 1st women’s shelter in the world.
Anonymous3You know the feminist argument that women cannot rape men because men are 2 times stronger and heavier than women?
Well, men cannot verbally abuse women because women use 3 times more words than men.And you know the argument where men are prone to physical violence? Well, women are more prone to verbal violence, and getting worst.
What we got is a verbal abuse epidemic, and we need to send a clear message to all women that this behavior is not acceptable.
All women are potential verbal abusers. Something must be done.
I can’t see how anyone is all that worried about mileage on a woman’s body parts.
*laughing* Who are you trying to convince, handsome? All of human experience – all of human history – goes along with the concept that ‘one should not marry a whore’. Sure, certain fertility temple cults have existed since whenever . . . but one didn’t marry the priestesses. Ever. Good luck with this argument. It goes along with the “fat chicks are pretty, too” idea. You’re arguing against biology – against genetic hardware. No, f~~~ing chicks who have slept with 100 guys and received their genetic material and viruses is a *fantastically* bad idea, which is why we’re programmed to not do this.
There was one member that has remained in my memory. He was there long enough to absorb all the knowledge and finally concluded that women where f~~~ing nuts, and did not deserve all that trouble.
ROFL. Love it. The Happy Marriage website itself convinces its members that post-third-wave feminist women are f~~~ing train wrecks not worth the trouble. And, again, all of human history and literature suggests that they’re always one car short of a wreck.
This is good stuff. A perfect pre international MGTOW Day thread. Just think guys. If you play your cards right you too can have what Joey does!
A 50 year old woman who’s dated “s~~~ loads of men!” Not to mention she was so excited about matrimony she told him she wouldn’t say no if he asked. How f~~~ing fabulous!
Good comments, Trapper.
I think I finally figured Joey out. Joey mentioned he’s been a male escort, which none of the brothers here have really jumped on, I think because it’s just such a f~~~ing weird thing to claim. Joey is a prostitute. His wife makes 4x his earnings, he’s a good-looking surf bum, and he’s married a slatternly, post-Wall money ride. And wishes to justify his being a male whore to everyone else, so has come here to declare how awesome marriage is when you’re a kept man.
Hey, knock yourself out. We give zero s~~~s. You’ve provided some amusement in terms of knocking down all of your arguments – which we’ve pretty much all heard before. You have a unique and very f~~~ed up marriage, which none of us could possibly want. You feel oddly about it, and want to justify it to yourself. Good on you.
You have landed a provider, based on your skills as a courtesan, who you will duly divorce rape should things come to that point so long as she isn’t clever enough to claim abuse or rape or adultery or any of the myriad things that women are quite good at falsely claiming. I myself would not rely upon that for my retirement, but what do I know. I bet you’re a fabulous cook, a charming conversationalist, and are so far under her heel as to be beneath the concrete the sidewalk is made out of. My guess is you’ve worked in sales before. Your point-by-point, trying to undermine my arguments before, had all manner of logical fallacies. I’m trained as an engineer and accountant, and have low tolerance for bulls~~~. You are completely full of s~~~, and my guess is you always have been.
Your mileage may vary. Your experience, and your marriage, is so goddamn far from any possible mainstream as to be valueless as an example, and irrelevant for pretty much anyone else on Earth. Again – as many here have said – I don’t believe everything you say, and think you’re lying about lots of little things. I have come to the horrific realization that your marriage is probably at least similar to what you claim, because your wife likes keeping a well-hung and obedient pet around. Kudos to you. I myself don’t want to be a whore, but if it makes you happy, congratulations.
I got nothing. You are a member of the world’s least respected profession. You are a whore. You are here, arguing with a lot of men who have had rather different lives than you have, because you feel bad about your life and want to make us feel bad about ours. That’s neat, except that our lives overlap in so few areas as to be almost not the same sex. Actors and whores are the bottom rung in most societies because of what they do.
No, I don’t think you’re tuna. I almost wish you were. You’re something worse and less respectable than that.
"You can either love women, or understand women. You can't do both. Because once you understand women, you realize that there is really nothing to love."
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