Who has control?

[ILiveAgainParticipant]

Can you tell at what point one gender take control from another?

There has been all sorts of cover up BS from wake turbulence to FMC computer error etc.

However, none shall name the real issue:

[Anonymous 54]

I’m no pilot. She didn’t have the guts to commit. He grabs it and throttle up. ?

[Chaff/FlareParticipant 3235]

WTF? Slow at rotation?

When you find yourself in the majority, it's time to reflect.

[SkeptiskParticipant 3679]

This could have ended in a disaster! Any pilot worth his license would never be wishy-washy like this one. I suspect the Captain took control after the co-pilot wasn’t able to really do the job.

"Expecting to find a decent woman on a dating site is like dumpster diving and expecting to come out with a gourmet meal." Won'tGetFooledAgain

[xlrsnbrgParticipant 1786]

I’m confused by this post. Are you saying the pilot was a woman, or is it a metaphor?

A man shouldn't make his life's objective to be on the side of the majority, but to avoid finding himself in the ranks of the insane. (Marcus Aurelius)

[ILiveAgainParticipant]

xlrsnbrg wrote:

I’m confused by this post. Are you saying the pilot was a woman, or is it a metaphor?

I have to tred carefully so bare with me.

P1 or PF pilot flying

P2 or PNF pilot not flying

In the incident report names and gender are not mentioned as these reports are anonymous. This is a good thing as it allows for open and honest reports and increase in safety issues.

However, word of mouth and pillow talk …. the flighdeck underground grapevine ect .. has revealed:

Initially P1 (F) then P1 (M)

Like wise P2 starts out (M) and then becomes P2 (F)

There are 3 calls during take off:

80 knots (control surfaces become active)

V1 the speed at which take off can be aborted and plane safely stopped

ROTATE/V2 the speed at which the plane can’t abort and must get airborne before coming back around to land.

We guess that P1 ‘rotated’ at the V1 call and not the V2/Rotate call.

This left the ship unable to get airbourne and unable to abort due to lack of runway left.

What you see is it lift then sink the try to lift again.

P2 grabs controls and becomes P1.

You see P1 physicall push the nose down (counter intuitive) to get the airspeed up. At the same time you can here the engines spool past 80%.

This was 90% a crash in the making.

This is what you don’t see or hear in MSM.

[Anonymous 3]

ILiveAgain wrote:

You see P1 physicall push the nose down (counter intuitive) to get the airspeed up. At the same time you can here the engines spool past 80%.

That is the time where real pilots count. The ones that actually fly an aircraft manually and maintain their proficiency.

The trouble with females in this and other professions is that they tend to accommodate to a routine or an established skill. Men always aim to improve and master stuff. Most men love what they do, most women just do what they have to.

[ILiveAgainParticipant]

At 30k feet and with an engine issue one can take all fkg day sorting it out. Just do the procedures. Hell an airbus will almost do it for you.

This is where they can cope.

However, with SECONDS to get your s~~~ together, no time for procedures or auto this or that … they freeze.

I have seen this in a male pilot but only on an old guy who came from 747s to a DHC7. He just couldn’t get his head around no autoland or wind components.

However, I’m super super alert and on tenders until females prove otherwise.

[Anonymous 42]

Looks like the angle of attack was kept to steep, to long, and not at power 100%.

20/20 hind sight I crashed a large model @full power from intuitively keeping the nose up (no airspeed indicator) I had plenty of time to drop the nose and change the angle of attack, but my inexperience at the time doomed the flight, it pancaked into the lake @full power with 3 times the necessary speed to maintain flight, but going over the wing from the wrong attack angle.

Never ever ever ever ever f~~~ around on takeoff! B~~~~ deep f~~~ing like a horny jackrabbit or go the the rest home with all the other indecisive slowpokes!

I never do aerobatics on takeoff, I never do half throttle takeoffs, and I make sure the fuel lines are clamped ( had one blow off under full throttle and immediately forced into a deadsick landing without enough water in front of me, I was forcing the plane down and slapping the water like a stone skipping across the pond, the worst porpoising I ever did but saved the model.

Did anyone ever tell her most accidents happen @ GROUND LEVEL? Both LANDING and ROTATING?

I see two perfectly good GE engines being destroyed on a runway someday in her future! Only because you’re supposed to land on your wheels, not your engine pods! They stop turning and start burning when you do that!

That rotation was less than two seconds from disaster!

[AntipathyParticipant 4901]

ILiveAgain wrote:

xlrsnbrg wrote:

I’m confused by this post. Are you saying the pilot was a woman, or is it a metaphor?

I have to tred carefully so bare with me.

P1 or PF pilot flying

P2 or PNF pilot not flying

In the incident report names and gender are not mentioned as these reports are anonymous. This is a good thing as it allows for open and honest reports and increase in safety issues.

However, word of mouth and pillow talk …. the flighdeck underground grapevine ect .. has revealed:

Initially P1 (F) then P1 (M)

Like wise P2 starts out (M) and then becomes P2 (F)

There are 3 calls during take off:

80 knots (control surfaces become active)

V1 the speed at which take off can be aborted and plane safely stopped

ROTATE/V2 the speed at which the plane can’t abort and must get airborne before coming back around to land.

We guess that P1 ‘rotated’ at the V1 call and not the V2/Rotate call.

This left the ship unable to get airbourne and unable to abort due to lack of runway left.

What you see is it lift then sink the try to lift again.

P2 grabs controls and becomes P1.

You see P1 physicall push the nose down (counter intuitive) to get the airspeed up. At the same time you can here the engines spool past 80%.

This was 90% a crash in the making.

This is what you don’t see or hear in MSM.

Understood. Excellent bit of posting.

[Anonymous 42]

Who has control? Hey ILA, good thread!

Who has control when the law itself states and dictates that “no person shall conduct, control, manage, or operate directly or indirectly?

That’s the law I’ve been personally and legally relegated to and under since 1974, when this Massachusetts Charter (bla bla, incorporated) was condemned by Worcester Superior Court Equity 5811 FINAL DECREE.

Then the entire development was placed under CEASE AND DESIST.

Imagine (if you will) (if you can) this scenario playing out @35,000ft, what if all the officers were dismissed and placed under LEGAL CEASE AND DESIST?

I’ve got news for the younger men in MGTOW.

Manhood and Masculinity has been placed in much the same predicament, when your good nature tells you to do one thing and the law is telling you to do the opposite you have a dangerously reprobate minded society, there is no “safe space” You and I and flyboy ILA are all condemned in the same manner and the same way under the toxic and destructive molestation of law.

Men live in a world now where it is predetermined and written in stone he is to be disposable and lawfully jeopardized for the “alleged” greater good.

Marriage took the same flight as this 280acre seized and destroyed development from 1974. The same generation that gave us the greatest psychological sickness the world has ever seen>>>>>>>>>>>>Feminism’s GYNOAIRLINES flight 5811 straight to living hell!

MGTOW have unraveled every mind bending unnatural mental disorder feminism and it’s ilk have spawned!

MGTOW NEVER CRASH! F~~~ THE LAW! WE TAKE CONTROL!

[experiencedParticipant]

Who has control?
The executives behind thick walnut doors who summarily announce that their companies need more laydee pilots so as to look good for advertising / quotas / equal rights / etc.
Make it part of the reservation sequence: “…and would you like that to be a direct flight with the best pilots, or quota pilots?”
See which seats fill up first.

"It seems like there's times a body gets struck down so low, there ain't a power on earth that can ever bring him up again. Seems like something inside dies so he don't even want to get up again. But he does."

[RoyDalParticipant]

Push anybody above their level of maximum incompetence, and you have a recipe for disaster.

It would be best to put the incompetents in desk jobs, and let people who can really do things fly the planes.

Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?

[Anonymous 54]

So without undestanding all the lingo,and your reluctance to say it directly,i will aaume im right. I see a female brain that freezes. Cant comit,cant abort. Dude grabs it nose down ,pick up speed ,then launch it like a f~~~ing man.

[raindogParticipant 313]

My ex-gf is a flight attendant. She says that you can always tell when a female pilot does the landing because the plane SLAMS into the ground, as if all the wheels are hitting at the same time.

Women belong in the back serving drinks.They should also be young and thin.

"Free your mind and your ass will follow. The kingdom of heaven is within." -Funkadelic

[xenonParticipant 2007]

RoyDal wrote:

Push anybody above their level of maximum incompetence, and you have a recipe for disaster……

Reminds me of an old book called “The Peter Principle”….. if I remember right, it’s premise was that modern organizations are layered in a way that promotes someone until they reach their level of incompetence, where they remain. Functioning in an incompetent way. Given the current state of disassociation between the real economy and the wall st economy, it should be required reading for bankers and financiers the world over. Maybe from jail.

[Anonymous 54]

Men stay calm in panic situations.THATS the difference.

[BlacqueJacqueShellacqueParticipant 6890]

Thanks for the inside info ILA. One time I flew from coast to coast in Canada. When we were all seated and the airline does their little “welcome to the flight” talk, the flight attendant says ” And we would like to mention that this pilot Ms.X’s first commercial flight.” I felt uneasy the whole trip.

[ShinyParticipant 2307]

xlrsnbrg wrote:

I’m confused by this post. Are you saying the pilot was a woman, or is it a metaphor?

I trust your word ILA if you say this was a woman. But I think there’s a subtler issue than just “woman panics where man commits”. A woman might commit as a show of bravado or “wymmyn can do as well as men!” where a man might pull back and say, “let’s think this thru rationally”. Either way, I am glad this ended up going ok where it could have been a serious problem.

Did anyone watch that cable show “Pilots Under Pressure”? Great show – it was about how young pilots got their flying hours, and experience, to fly for major airlines by flying s~~~ty prop planes in dodgy island-hopping routes in Indonesia. Between the weather and the nonsense runways – these were literally side-of-the-mountain efforts carved by cannibals in West Papua to keep their cargo-cult planes arriving – there was a hell of a mortality rate, but that’s what these guys had to do to get their hours so they could apply for British Airways and say, “yeah, I’m an experienced pilot”.

I say, “guys” because every one was male. While watching this show (I live in Oz which has an historical link with Papua and I also fly in Malaysia periodically) I remember reading something in News.com (for memory). It was female pilots bemoaning how few professionals there were and demanding government intervention. They had a problem, so they stuck their hands out and waited to see what happened.

Male pilots had a problem – they wouldn’t be hired without experience, so they went to Indonesia, the far side of the world, where they didn’t speak the language etc, and they put their lives on the line, quite literally. And they reaped the rewards.

Says it all, really.

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