What's your opinion on this theory?

[ConstantineParticipant 4420]

For nearly two years, I was mates with this guy. Recently the ties were severed – we’re not friends anymore, the short story being that he proved himself to be a complete idiot. Bit of a shame, but that’s life. It’s a relief in many ways; he’d been testing my patience for a while, and I get too much of that everywhere else to take it from him. So while I wish him the best, I can’t see us patching things up.

Now that he’s gone, I wanted to share one of his outlooks and see what you guys think of it. I’m going to be generous and call him something of a purple pill – there was definitely red pill potential in him, but not quite enough to support MGTOW. But each to his own, and don’t get the wrong idea, that certainly wasn’t why we stopped being friends. My mates don’t necessarily need to be full-blooded redpillers for me to care about them – they’re free to live their own lives, as long as they don’t constantly bug me about giving women a chance and try to set me up with someone.

So it wasn’t wholly his mangina tendencies that burned the bridges. That said, one of the things that really got on my nerves about him was his irritating theory about what constitutes a real man. He used to say, “Real men know how to change a tyre. If you can’t change a tyre, then you’re not a real man in my eyes.”

Now on the one hand, this philosophy p~~~ed me off, because it’s hardly any different from a shaming tactic. I follow the MGTOW rule – “a real man doesn’t give a red f~~~ what you think qualifies as a real man”, so it was disappointing to see him stooping to garden-variety insults not far removed from what you see in the media. For the record, I don’t even drive myself because I have a phobia of it, so he was basically lumping me into the “not a real man” category (in itself not true, because I know how to change a tyre, I’d just never be in a situation where I’d need to). I don’t appreciate someone, especially a guy with whom I’m ostensibly meant to be friends, choosing an unflattering label for me – and for every other guy here who might not remember the technical instructions of that procedure.

But on the other, his point was that a man knows how to look after himself in problematic circumstances. While that’s part of what makes men admirable, I feel that he could’ve at least been more specific.

What’s your take?

To see what is in front of one's nose requires a constant struggle. -Orwell

[Chaff/FlareParticipant 3235]

Don’t let anyone tell you what a real man is.

Real men are here helping each other.

When you find yourself in the majority, it's time to reflect.

[Anonymous 54]

Were not all the mechanicle type.I know guys that cant chang a tire. Id change it for them. It dangerous.

[Anonymous 18]

Your friend was reacting like a woman would who hypothetically needed a tire changed. Then your inability for her utility makes you less of a man.

However, if you went on a date and randomly said you can’t change tires, it wouldn’t faze the woman one way or another.

May be you pushed too many red pills in him without break and him acting out like that was his blue piller’s cry for help.

If he comes back around, do take the time to teach him.

I have a feeling he will try to play buddies again. Let him.

[~BSParticipant 3266]

meh, while it’s a good idea to know “guy stuff” like changing a tire or oil or simple pluming or mechanical work, there is no such than as “real men do xxxx” who cares if you call the tow guy instead of breaking out the ejack and DIY.

You can drop an idiotic “real man” one liner and catch almost anyone depending on what the one liner is. Here’s one for me to use – Real men drink whiskey and smoke cigars. I’d guess 1/10 men or less drink whiskey and smoke cigars. So there it is, I’m more manly than you because I made up some bulls~~~ requirement

"He didn't marry until now, so he won't ever do it. Think about it, why would a man like him ever marry? It's too late to catch him. " ~some cunt

[Jim01Participant 6678]

that sounds like a line out of a woman’s mouth. Was he dating around the time you got rid?

[Dr. SableParticipant 1064]

Strictly speaking for myself, I rarely dump or
throw ANY MAN under the bus, regardless
of what ever the f~~~ing color they are, red,
blue, pink, black or whatever.

Its live and let live philosophy for me & only
if they try to f~~~ me over would I reject or
estrange them from my life.

If it comes down to push and shove between men, verbal or physical, you got to give as good as you get and still have room to negotiate and remain friends or at least non combative acquaintances.

Zero Tolerance

[WallyParticipant]

I have really grown to hate those “a real man…..” lines. I have a buddy who doesn’t know how to change a tire, one of the best guys I know, he’s a doctor who has saved a lot of lives. He got a flat one day and called me, changed the tire for him, he helps me in other ways. So yeah the next person that says a real man ….to me is going to get a bucket full of s~~~.

"what a waste of a life, to marry, give up your freedom, just for the hope of not dying alone. Don't get married Son."

[DorkShitParticipant 4353]

Probably looks up to you and wanted your approval, validation, etc.

Sounds like a lack of a strong male role model.

Point is that when s~~~ goes south men work to fix s~~~. Women have to have a man to fix their s~~~. Learn to say no, fix your own s~~~.

Peace brothers

[Klaus WindamierParticipant 543]

Maybe it’s not to SUPPORT the MGTOW, but ‘to be’ instead.
MGTOW doesn’t need support since it will come from a man itself to be one.

And i am agree with Wally here.
Also if he metaphorically used ‘change the tire’ means to do anything and work to be a slave for women, then he is certainly not purple.

[AwakenedParticipant 35216]

Constantine wrote:

I don’t appreciate someone, especially a guy with whom I’m ostensibly meant to be friends, choosing an unflattering label for me – and for every other guy here who might not remember the technical instructions of that procedure

Male friends do not berate other male friends. Women will berate a man in a heart beat, but men should not attempt to tear down other men especially in the name of “friendship”.

Men have all types of varied strength, weaknesses, interests, and hobbies. I am not aware of ANY specific activity that is a qualification for “Manhood”. Your ex-friend seems pretty shallow, insecure, narrow minded, ignorant, and/or just plain stupid. Whatever he is, do yourself a favor and keep him as an ex-friend. There is nothing positive to be gained from such an association.

In a World of Justin Beibers Be a Johnny Cash

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Constantine wrote:

“Real men know how to change a tyre. If you can’t change a tyre, then you’re not a real man in my eyes.”

Constantine wrote:

But on the other, his point was that a man knows how to look after himself in problematic circumstances. While that’s part of what makes men admirable, I feel that he could’ve at least been more specific.

What’s your take?

It’s not really an opinion or a theory , it’s a FACT.
Just keep your ears open.

Whenever you hear anyone lecture about what a “real man” is (or should do)…
it’s ALWAYS — >> about being a utility.
Usually for female benefit – and usually a disposable one.

• “A Real Man always pays”.
• “A Real Man pulls out a chair for her”.
• “A Real Man would give her his jacket and drown on a ship”.
• “A Real Man would jump in front of a bullet to save her.”.
• “Now I can hang my picture. It’s nice to have a real man around.”.
• “A Real Man would do the heavy lifting for her”.
• “A Real Man dates single mothers”. ( lol)
• “A Real Man would change a tire”.

… while a real woman is busy “helping” him change that tire on a dark road at night – by pointing the flashlight into the sky.

This entire concept is explained the book “The Manipulated Man”. And make no mistake, it’s a manipulation and nothing more. Whenever woman (or anyone) tries to shame you about not being a “real man”, it’s always because you refused to play the part of some useful utility for HER benefit. It’s actually quite remarkable.

A human wallet. A hammer. An ATM machine. A sperm donor. A single mother’s dickstand.
A date for someone’s over-the-hill single fat friend……

Refuse to be those things and you’re suddenly “not real man”.

The only thing you need to be a “real man” is XY chromosomes. The rest is up to YOU.
Christ, even Caitlyn Jenner is still a “real man”.
He’s just an artificial woman.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[The Manipulated ManParticipant 1856]

Constantine wrote:

What’s your take?

I have learned how to laugh and have fun with others during s~~~ tests.

“A Laughing Judge is not a Hanging Judge.”

The first part of my training was memorizing and rehearsing some “Magic Bullets” or statements to disarm hostiles.

The next part was the ability to laugh at myself when I f~~~ed up or demonstrated weakness.

Finally, I learned how to tease others, especially those with lofty ideals and unrealistically high standards.

Your mate opened himself to all sorts of mockery with his bulls~~~.

Between us MGTOWs, here is what came up for me as I read about your situation:

Before Christianity, some of my Celtic Ancestors believed that a boy only became a man when he killed his first enemy.

Today a lot of veterans consider the military as the only true path to Manhood.

For most of my life, I have fallen short of others expectation of “Manhood.”

My higher intelligence and creativity were part of the problem.

Having pink skin and red hair was another liability with modern
“Cultural Enrichment.”

The strange synthetic hormones and toxic food/ environment also made me weak and pusillanimous.

The brain washing from the media, educational institutions, organized religions, and Gynocracy was relentless. Since birth, I was trained to be a “White Knight,” Mangina, fool, and wage slave.

Spending too much of my life working/ living in a big city added to my difficulties.

The indoctrination did not always work, since I have too often seen the world differently and could only handle the objective truth which was also a problem.

As a young man, I allowed others to shame me about my pussification which compelled me to “prove myself.”

I did all that “Manly” handyman/ Tradesman bulls~~~ because I had to and there were only worse choices. It only made me a Dupe. I would rather have done something else.

I was in Blue Pill hell for too long.

Your “friend” sounds like one of the “Planation’s” foremen.

It is bizarre how a Blue Pill man will attempt to castrate another man.

Learning to change a tire is irrelevant these days with cell phones and too many other options.

And I haven’t had to change a flat tire in twenty years of driving many miles through rough areas.

What happens when a man finally comprehends the cold and calculating thoughts that are going through a woman's mind, while her eyes are brimming with tears?

[narwhalParticipant]

The way I see it, there are two ways a man can elevate his worth (whatever worth is to you). He can actually improve himself, or can attempt to lower everyone else.

So looking at the tire statement, it’s pretty clear this is an attempt to lower everyone else.

Even then, it makes no sense. Would you say a man who can build a house, grow food for a 100 people, and knows 30 different ways to kill you in under 3 seconds not a real man because he never learned to change a tire? Is the tribesman in Africa who’s never even seen a car not a real man?

Make your own don’t definition of who you want to be, then go do that. No need for anyone else to define you’re worth.

Personally, I know how to change a tire and have done it a couple times in my life. I would much rather pay someone else, who does it more frequently then me and is responsible in case something goes wrong do it, instead of me though if given the opportunity. Then again, I won’t pay someone to do basic plumbing, change a light fixture, and similar tasks. Whatever.

edit: Something I’ve been thinking about as a father is that my job is not to tell my kids who they need to be. My job is listen to them when they tell me who they want to be, and then help guide them to get there. When it comes to sports with my son, I don’t care if he rides the bench the whole game. But if he wants more playing time, it’s my job to tell him how to earn that.

Ok. Then do it.

[ConstantineParticipant 4420]

Anonymous wrote:

Your friend was reacting like a woman would who hypothetically needed a tire changed. Then your inability for her utility makes you less of a man.

Jim01 wrote:

that sounds like a line out of a woman’s mouth. Was he dating around the time you got rid?

Yeah he’s very much like a woman in a number of ways. There were times when hanging out with him was just like hanging out with a chick – you had to watch what you said in order to avoid a blow-up. Would have a lot to do with the fact that he was raised by a single mum and two sisters, so grew up in a female-heavy environment that clearly rubbed off on him. Wouldn’t surprise me if his view on tyre-changing was something that one of his female relatives said originally.

@manipulatedman Damn dude, that’s gruesome. Interesting how relaxed the guy about to castrated in the second photo looks though, considering his situation.

Wally wrote:

I have really grown to hate those “a real man…..” lines. I have a buddy who doesn’t know how to change a tire, one of the best guys I know, he’s a doctor who has saved a lot of lives. He got a flat one day and called me, changed the tire for him, he helps me in other ways. So yeah the next person that says a real man ….to me is going to get a bucket full of s~~~.

Well that’s what I thought. And as Old Sage said, we’re not all the mechanical type. I can’t give you a lift anywhere given that I don’t drive, but will certainly try and help you in other ways if you need it.

I’m not sure if there’s hope for him. As I said, this isn’t the primary reason why we’re no longer in touch – the real reason is a bit more personal – but now that it’s happened, I’ve become far more conscious of the things that drove me nuts about him.

To see what is in front of one's nose requires a constant struggle. -Orwell

[AntipathyParticipant 4901]

KM nailed it with a sledge hammer. They throw a bone (real man) at you, like you’re a dog, if you make yourself a disposable tool for them.

Otherwise you’re “not a real man”.

[VarunParticipant 2981]

If you know how to fix things and do hard labor, its for your own good.

Fathers puts stress on their sons to learn all those stuff, not because they want their sons to be ‘real men’ (they are ALREADY real men), but because knowing these stuff will genuinely help them later in life.

Its just shaming tactic to motivate you to do their work for them, i.e., to utilize you.

Even gay men are real men.

A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.

[ArcParticipant 350]

Constantine wrote:

I’m going to be generous and call him something of a purple pill – there was definitely red pill potential in him, but not quite enough to support MGTOW.

I’m afraid you said it yourself, this guy isn’t really fully red pill. It really shouldn’t surprise you that he would have the habits that go with being blue pill, for example his apparent subscription to shaming tactics. I don’t have a lot of context to go along with this but I would guess that he is maybe trying to validate himself (you know, how an attractive girl will harass a less attractive girl to make herself feel more attractive; same kind of situation). All of that however is really just speculation. I don’t want to sound like a dick but, should you really even care what he thinks?

The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the whores and politicians will look up and shout "Save us!"... and I'll whisper "no."

[FrostByteParticipant 19005]

Keymaster wrote:

Refuse to be those things and you’re suddenly “not real man”.

Seriously how are these two words even used together.
Be a real rock, be a real airplane, be a real table???

Are those t~~~ real? That makes more sense only because there actually is such a thing as fake t~~~.

There are no fake men unless a vag is doing an impersonation.

However, there are a lot of real bitches out there and some of them have dicks.

If you rescue a damsel in distress, all you will get is a distressed damsel.

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

It is difficult for human beings to be able to form an identity, without that identity somehow being linked to a group somehow, and shared attributes of that group. Without having something else strongly to help go one’s own way, the end result will be endless comparing to others and demanding others fit a certain mold. The whole “real men are X” comes out of this also.

This is a giant basic drive that powers a lot of people, and my take on Blue Pill (I go beyond the usual just with women) fits into this. People need groups to meet certain patterns, so they can fit in, or see them as a problem. I also see this happen around the MGTOW label, but that is a different issue.

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

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